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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #90 on: June 21, 2012, 02:34:42 PM »

Fry - sorry to hear about your rifle being used in that manner.

Trigger Locks do offer more safety if you keep them in the home.

I even keep them on my handguns - although it means I'll have a short delay if I need one.   Safety first.

On Obama/Holder:
The memories of how this was handled when a Republican was on the other side (Iran Contra) are striking.   

Biggest difference so far is that President Reagan took responsibility for actions of those in his administration.   He took it to the people in several presidential addresses to the nation.   Leadership and realization that the buck stops here when you are the President.

Obama on the other hand has hidden behind executive privilege - and won't speak on the issue - leading some to wonder how much he knew and who he's really protecting...   

Actions speak a lot about a person!   That's why so many Democrats supported him and now have doubts about Obama's ability to lead.
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #91 on: June 21, 2012, 09:21:55 PM »


....the good of having less guns on the street is obvious, no need to elaborate...


Really? No, I asked the question for a reason.  I want to hear your thoughts on the subject, no matter how twisted they may be.

Fry, come on now.  If you can't answer the question, just say so.  Stop with the typical Democrat mantra, attempting to belittle those you are talking to, and spinning the subject into one where you disparage or belittle whom ever you are talking to.  It doesn't work with me.

Care to try again?
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« Reply #92 on: June 21, 2012, 10:42:52 PM »

Not true....and the topic about Obama being the most polarizing moderate ever bears this out.

But what IS true is that you're projecting......that is, you're ascribing your own thoughts, or faults, onto others.

So essentially, you're the typical Republican.

Now to answer your question....the good of having less guns on the street is obvious, no need to elaborate...unless you're of the typical Republican mind that opinions that differ from yours will no longer be tolerated in the USA.

A two-year reprieve from deportation for certain eligible immigrants is a way to make the immigration system more fair, more efficient and more just.

Just chill on the hate of liberals and foreigners...it'll negatively affect your health.
Now THAT was asinine. Guns kill plain and simple. As a kid, I used to make my own guns out of steel tubing and the firing pin was a dull nail that used a rubber band. They're called zip guns and yes they can kill.I don't share the same unreasonable fears you have but I understand why you MUST promote fear....you own a gunshop.

Guns have a way of ending up in the wrong hands....and that doesn't always mean criminals.
Disregarding the obvious typo on guard...I believe it should be "border"

Thank you so much for pointing out my typo.

Not sure what kind of gun did the killing but many seem to assume a gun must be a certain kind to kill....my contention is ANY available gun is capable.

Yeah, and the most common caliber for killing people here is .22 Long Rifle.

I'm in the minority when it comes to advocating for a gunless society but that's okay....we're all still allowed to have opinions...even when it evokes the morons to emerge from the shadows with their attacks.
Not that I'm eagerly anticipating 'em....more like accustomed.


Gunless society? OK I guess bashing someone to death with a stick would be better. Like it or not human will still kill each other guns or not.
Look at Australia and Japan for example. Hell Japs just shove each other out of windows! Nice.
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #93 on: June 21, 2012, 10:46:58 PM »

The saying I recall is: 
when guns are outlawed - only outlaws will have guns...   

I'll keep mine - and teach proper use,care and storage (locks) to my children and grandchildren.   
Same with handguns, the main culprit in criminal acts - not rifles.

Outlawing carbine rifles from WWII makes no sense other than to win some special interest votes.

Gay vote
Illegal immigrant vote
Eric Holder support and Anti-gun vote

Achievements? or catering to special interests... a desperate measure to try and get re-elected?

Here's a novel idea:
What about the ECONOMY to get votes  8)

Regarding the economy President Soetoro has done a bang up job in the gun sales section!

He's done so well Ruger stopped taking orders for new firearms just so they could catch up!
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #94 on: June 21, 2012, 10:53:41 PM »

Not true....and the topic about Obama being the most polarizing moderate ever bears this out.

But what IS true is that you're projecting......that is, you're ascribing your own thoughts, or faults, onto others.

So essentially, you're the typical Republican.

Now to answer your question....the good of having less guns on the street is obvious, no need to elaborate...unless you're of the typical Republican mind that opinions that differ from yours will no longer be tolerated in the USA.

A two-year reprieve from deportation for certain eligible immigrants is a way to make the immigration system more fair, more efficient and more just.

Just chill on the hate of liberals and foreigners...it'll negatively affect your health.
Now THAT was asinine. Guns kill plain and simple. As a kid, I used to make my own guns out of steel tubing and the firing pin was a dull nail that used a rubber band. They're called zip guns and yes they can kill.I don't share the same unreasonable fears you have but I understand why you MUST promote fear....you own a gunshop.

Guns have a way of ending up in the wrong hands....and that doesn't always mean criminals.
Disregarding the obvious typo on guard...I believe it should be "border"

Not sure what kind of gun did the killing but many seem to assume a gun must be a certain kind to kill....my contention is ANY available gun is capable.

I'm in the minority when it comes to advocating for a gunless society but that's okay....we're all still allowed to have opinions...even when it evokes the morons to emerge from the shadows with their attacks.
Not that I'm eagerly anticipating 'em....more like accustomed.


Ha Ha, see Fry I told ya!

Beat a man to death with your bare hands and no charges!

Good for you Fry, back to the stone age!

Lucky for him he don't live in Michigan.

http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=26399.0
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2012, 01:24:38 PM »

 “The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States,” they wrote in their Declaration of Independence.

... imperialism is back, in a big way.


... the Obama Administration’s Department of Homeland Security issued a memorandum instructing U.S. immigration officials to use their “prosecutorial discretion” to create a policy scheme contrary to existing law, designed to implement legislation that Congress hasn’t passed.

We can now see before us a persistent pattern of disregard for the powers of the legislative branch in favor of administrative decision-making without—and often in spite of—congressional action.  This violates the spirit—and potentially the letter—of the Constitution’s separation of the legislative and executive powers of Congress and the President.

Examples abound:

•Even though the Democrat-controlled Senate rejected the President’s cap-and-trade plan, his Environmental Protection Agency classified carbon dioxide, the compound that sustains vegetative life, as a pollutant so that it could regulate it under the Clean Air Act.
•After the Employee Free Choice Act—designed to bolster labor unions’ dwindling membership rolls—was defeated by Congress, the National Labor Relations Board announced a rule that would implement “snap elections” for union representation, limiting employers’ abilities to make their case to workers and virtually guaranteeing a higher rate of unionization at the expense of workplace democracy.
•After an Internet regulation proposal failed to make it through Congress, the Federal Communications Commission announced that it would regulate the Web anyway, even despite a federal court’s ruling that it had no authority to do so.
•Although Congress consistently has barred the Department of Education from getting involved in curriculum matters, the Administration has offered waivers for the No Child Left Behind law in exchange for states adopting national education standards, all without congressional authorization.

Likewise, the Administration has often simply refused to enforce laws duly enacted by Congress:

•Since it objects to existing federal immigration laws, the Administration has decided to apply those laws selectively and actively prevent the state (like Arizona) from enforcing those laws themselves.
•Rather than push Congress to repeal federal laws against marijuana use, the Department of Justice (DOJ) simply decided it would no longer enforce those laws.
•DOJ also has announced that it would stop enforcing the Defense of Marriage Act or defending it from legal challenge rather than seeking legislative recourse.

On Tuesday, the President invoked executive privilege to avoid handing over some 1,300 documents in an ongoing Congressional investigation.  The Supreme Court has held that executive privilege cannot be invoked to shield wrongdoing.

Earlier this year the President crossed the threshold of constitutionality when he gave “recess appointments” to four officials who were subject to Senate confirmation, even though the Senate wasn’t in recess. Gaziano wrote at the time that such appointments “would render the Senate’s advice and consent role to normal appointments almost meaningless. It is a grave constitutional wrong.”

The President has unique and powerful responsibilities in our constitutional system as chief executive officer, head of state, and commander in chief. Those powers do not include the authority to make laws or to decide which laws to enforce and which to ignore.


http://blog.heritage.org/2012/06/22/morning-bell-imperial-presidency/

Heck of list of accomplishments you got there Barry.
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« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2012, 11:55:42 AM »

Really? No, I asked the question for a reason.  I want to hear your thoughts on the subject, no matter how twisted they may be.

Fry, come on now.  If you can't answer the question, just say so.  Stop with the typical Democrat mantra, attempting to belittle those you are talking to, and spinning the subject into one where you disparage or belittle whom ever you are talking to.  It doesn't work with me.

Care to try again?
First you tried to disparage with:
I knew you would support his majesty, no matter what he said.  Typical Democrat thinking... follow your leader, even off a cliff. 
Then you followed up with:
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I want to hear your thoughts on the subject, no matter how twisted they may be.
And then you had the gall to end with:
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Fry, come on now.  If you can't answer the question, just say so.  Stop with the typical Democrat mantra, attempting to belittle those you are talking to, and spinning the subject into one where you disparage or belittle whom ever you are talking to.  It doesn't work with me.
Looks like you started out bad:
Are you fricking kidding me?  Anybody (Obama) that thinks M1 Garands and carbines are the gun of choice for criminals, is a MORON!  How stupid can you get?!?
Dude, YOU have issues.

Taking a closer look....I've been unable to substantiate the story...which leads me to believe the issue smash found has been fabricated...not by smash...he's just furthering the anti-obama cause...truth be damned.
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2012, 01:21:11 PM »

Really? No, I asked the question for a reason.  I want to hear your thoughts on the subject, no matter how twisted they may be.

Fry, come on now.  If you can't answer the question, just say so.  Stop with the typical Democrat mantra, attempting to belittle those you are talking to, and spinning the subject into one where you disparage or belittle whom ever you are talking to.  It doesn't work with me.

Care to try again?
At risk of providing more ammo for the personal attacks...and thereby feed the troll...I'll add a few details.
Lets look at gun control in Korea:

In practice, only hunters own guns in Korea. (And hunters are not many in Korea.) By regulation, hunters cannot keep their guns all the time -- they must keep their guns at the police station during off-season. Handguns are pretty much nonexistent among civilians.

Obviously, getting America's gun regulation to Korea's level would be a difficult task, because Korea's history has no element like America's historical relationship with guns. But know this: when gun advocates say something like "Psychopaths will find a way to kill with or without guns", they are blatantly lying. Despite filled with people with famously fiery temper, Korea has never suffered a mass murder like the ones happened in Columbine or Virginia Tech, in which civilians were able to kill scores of people with legally obtained guns. In fact, on occasions when Koreans manage to get their hands on guns, they plainly show that Korea's low, low crime rate is not because Koreans are angels. So what is easier to believe -- that Korea is completely devoid of nut cases, or Korea is completely devoid of guns?
http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2011/01/gun-control-in-korea.html

Obama’s Re-Election Could Be a Gold Mine for the Guns & Ammo Industry

If we look back at the reaction of gun owners, and Americans in general to his first election win, then you will recall that after the 2008 election the mad rush on gun buying started right after the election on Black Friday of 2008 and with a few exceptions has not let up.

    At last count America has experienced 21 straight months in which gun purchase figures have increased when compared to the same period from previous years.

Avid shooters will recall “The Great Ammunition Shortage Of 2009” when retailer’s shelves were swept bare of any kind on Ammunition from 22 short to 50 BMG on fears of Ammunition bans by the EPA and the gusher of new gun owners out to shoot their newly purchased weapons.

What does all this mean for shooters?
Well, a win for Mitt Romney could mean status quo for gun and ammunition sales, not great news for consumers but at least we seem to be at a sustainable level of supply verses demand.

However if history is any indicator, a win for President Obama could trigger a massive flood of even more new and first time gun purchasers, not to mention active shooters that would be reacting to the fear of more Gun Controls by hording.  Gun sales could reach levels never imagined by gun banners. Ammunition would suffer as well as most ammunition manufactures are already producing 24/7 to keep up with the current demand.

Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2012/06/06/obamas-re-election-could-be-a-gold-mine-for-the-guns-ammo-industry/#ixzz1ydajAuQL


Burglars Cut a Hole in Roof of Burbank Gun Store, Make Off With Weapons
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Burbank-Gun-World-Robbery-Heist-Suspects-Crime-Magnolia-Avenue-153842485.html

A story dated Jan. 27, 2011:
Lost and Loaded? 62,000 Guns 'Missing' from Gun Shops Since 2008
More than 62,000 guns disappeared from U.S. firearm dealers' inventories in the past three years without any record that they were sold, according to a report by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The estimate means that dealers "lost" on average 56 firearms a day between 2008 and 2010.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/atf-report-reveals-62000-guns-missing-dealer-inventories/story?id=12771760#.T-X5sPWDmSp


Michigan gun dealers rank fifth in 'missing' guns
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/02/michigan_gun_dealers_rank_fift.html

You're a gun dealer livewire, how many of your guns can you claim as "missing"?
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #98 on: June 23, 2012, 01:29:32 PM »

Now for an actual achievement:

New Rules on Border Gun Sales
July 12, 2011

The Justice Department said Monday it would begin requiring gun shops in four states along the U.S.-Mexico border to report when a buyer purchases two or more semi-automatic rifles.

The new requirement, the Obama administration's first major gun-control regulation, is similar to one that has been in place nationwide since 1968 for handguns and has been in the works for more than a year. It reflects a boost in efforts to halt cross-border trafficking of weapons to Mexico, administration officials say.

The measure is opposed by Republican lawmakers and gun-rights groups, which have run Internet campaigns seeking to stop it, ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303812104576440284047104092.html

Gun Lobby Suffers Rare Setback in Fight to Sell Weapons to Drug Cartels
Gun-rights advocates have lost their legal challenge in federal court to stop the Obama administration from requiring certain gun dealers along the Mexican border to report multiple sales of assault rifles. Beginning last July, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) implemented a new policy mandating that 8,500 gun sellers in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas inform federal officials whenever someone purchases more than one semiautomatic rifle within five business days. The rule was aimed at identifying potential sales to Mexican drug cartels. The National Shooting Sports Foundation sued ATF to halt the requirement, claiming the agency has exceeded its authority.

Read the rest of the story HERE:
http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/Gun-Lobby-Suffers-Rare-Set-in-General_News-120123-836.html


http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence?s=1
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #99 on: June 23, 2012, 06:42:56 PM »

So, it is perfectly okay to provide high power modern firearms to illegal drug dealers, allowing them to be illegally exported, and eventually kill an innocent, young, brave federal agent.  Then cover up whatever details exist pertaining to the incident.  THAT'S okay.

But if we were to try to buy (LEGALLY, through two governments) a bunch of 60 year old rifles, OH, HEAVENS, NO!!!!!!  We can't do THAT, and put ALL those mean old guns "on the streets"!  Even though they would be transferred to the end user through one of the most thorough, comprehensive background check systems in existence!

Whatever.   8*
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #100 on: June 23, 2012, 09:46:48 PM »

So, it is perfectly okay to provide high power modern firearms to illegal drug dealers, allowing them to be illegally exported, and eventually kill an innocent, young, brave federal agent.  Then cover up whatever details exist pertaining to the incident.  THAT'S okay.
I didn't see where any one said that. Maybe I missed something?
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #102 on: September 20, 2012, 09:06:20 AM »

When I post an article, I usually copy pertinent paragraphs or bold sentences that I think need to be highlighted.  This entire article sums up the empty chair presidency, except for the fact that he repealed DADT and gun sales are through the roof.  Enjoy the decline.
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How can any cogent American citizen possibly even consider voting for Barack Obama now? That's what lots of conservatives and moderates are asking each other, again and again. It's completely baffling, to those who grew up with any sort of sense of what America means and what the American character traditionally has been, that anybody can look at the man's record and want more of the same.

Almost the entirety of the Muslim world is now rioting against an American president who promised that his olive branches to Muslims would secure peace. Like Jimmy Carter, Obama has only shown a weakness that has emboldened the Islamist haters. Meanwhile, our closest ally in the region, Israel, a stable representative democracy led by an American-educated, America-loving prime minister, has repeatedly been insulted, abandoned, and undermined. In short, the United States is in worse position with all sides in the Middle East/northern Africa. We are embarrassed, feckless, wounded... and in four tragic cases, dead.

Allies in Poland and the Czech Republic have been repeatedly let down and sometimes insulted. The "re-set" with Russia earned us only Russian contempt. China and Russia ignore our entreaties around the world, with absolute disdain for our wishes, our olive branches, or Obama's supposedly Nobel-worthy and messianic genius for diplomacy.

Domestically, our debt has increased by 50 percent in just four years, by some $5 trillion, with not a single observable benefit from the spending. Our bond rating already has been downgraded by one agency, and another major agency threatens to downgrade us. Our unemployment rate has never been beneath 8 percent since Obama's first month in office, even though his economic team said his outrageously expensive "stimulus" package would ensure that it would never rise above 8 percent, and indeed that it would drop below 6 percent within four years.

Our politics is more fractured, less civil, than ever -- and as Bob Woodward, of all people, indicates in his new book, this is largely the fault of Obama. He has been the first president in history to push through a major new program without a single vote from the opposing party -- and while refusing to incorporate a single major idea from the other party, while ignoring overwhelming public sentiment to pass it, and while bending the rules in multiple ways to force it through Congress. Meanwhile, on the real business of Congress, his Senate allies have ignored longstanding law by refusing to pass a budget for three years now, while twice rejecting the president's own pitiful budget proposal by unanimous votes.

Obama campaigned with a promise to rein in abuses of executive power, but instead he increasingly rules by executive decrees of dubious constitutionality. Congress won't pass cap-and-trade, so he orders it anyway. Congress won't pass amnesty for illegal immigrants, so he orders it anyway. Congress won't undermine the work requirement in the welfare system, so he guts the work requirements by executive order. And on and on go the abuses.

His Justice Department is flagrantly corrupt and racialist. It told a black majority town in North Carolina that it could not hold nonpartisan elections because voters would fail to elect the black "candidates of choice" if the candidate weren't identified as Democrats. It intervened against the heroic Fire Department of New York to push racial hiring quotas on the department so outrageous that it would force admittance into the fire academy of candidates who missed as many as 70 percent (!!!) of the questions on a simple entrance exam; and, in blocking all applicants expected to be hired under the previous exam, it prohibited a number of black applicants who actually had met standards from being hired. So outrageous was this abuse that even the leftist Village Voice ran a long feature story taking up for the qualified black applicants whose chances for employment were dashed.

And, of course, DoJ ran an idiotic gun-running program on the Mexican border that led to the deaths of two American agents and countless Mexicans while drawing a rebuke from the Mexican ambassador, and then covered up and even lied about its actions. Also, infamously, it dropped already-won cases against New Black Panther thugs for flagrant voter-intimidation outside a Philadelphia polling place in 2008 -- dropped the cases, indeed, just in time, meaning four days in advance, for one of those thugs again to serve as an official Democratic Party poll-watcher in municipal elections in 2009.

Gasoline prices are twice what they were when Obama took office -- and rising again. The housing market remains in the doldrums. Food stamp use is by far at the highest level in history, and poverty is markedly up. Food prices are markedly higher. Small businesses are jettisoning the health-insurance benefits they offered employees until Obamacare made it prohibitively expensive. Doctors are retiring in record numbers rather than face Obamacare's scourges -- and most of the law hasn't yet taken effect. Coming soon are new taxes on medical device manufacturers: Patients will pay more for wheelchairs, prosthetics, insulin pumps, asthma inhalers, pacemakers, and other essential fruits of modern medical technology.

Taxpayers are on the hook for huge losses from the auto bailouts, even as most of GM's new jobs have been created overseas rather than here, and even as auto dealerships across the nation were shut down by administration fiat on political bases rather than on the basis of which ones were profitable. Taxpayers are on the hook for politically inspired "investments" to Obama cronies in failing businesses such as Solyndra. Taxpayers are on the hook for higher electricity prices due to a backdoor cap-and-trade scheme imposed by (illegal) administrative fiat.

Religious liberties, meanwhile, are under repeated and sustained attacked from an administration openly hostile to traditional faith. And the president even refuses to defend in federal court laws duly passed by Congress and signed by former President Clinton.

The parade of abuses, incompetencies, extravagances, and illegalities goes on and on. The record of improvements in any sector of American life is… well, nil. Nothing is better, not a single thing, at home or abroad. And Obama has offered no recognizable plans, no new proposals, no substance at all, for making things better in a second term.

This presidency is a disaster. Reasonable people are gobsmacked at the possibility that it could somehow be allowed to continue its degradations of American society.

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/19/obamas-dangerous-and-disastrou
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #103 on: September 21, 2012, 09:12:17 AM »

Good article, Old Salt.
Pretty much says it all.

But, the Obama-loving lefties will say that it would be much worse, if Obama wasn't President.

Hey, that's alright. Everybody should be given a second chance, while working at their first job, right?   8*
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Re: A list of Barack Obama's achievements as President
« Reply #104 on: September 21, 2012, 10:06:40 AM »

Ummm how do you expect him to fully correct in 4 years when it took 8 years to get to this point.  The fact remains Obama saved the auto industry, kept his promise about killing Osama bin Laden, and ended DADT.  That's just the tip of the iceberg of all the good things Obama did.

Romney specifically said he wouldn't go after bin Laden, and his economic policies are dangerous because they are a redistribution of wealth to the top earners.  Guess where he's going to make up for all those tax breaks for the rich.....the middle class.
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