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[LessGovernment]

...born from the "Newt" thread, and this comment specifically: "The well-meaning but ultimately crazy Uncle who stuffs his mattress with gold." - please substantiate how moving our nation in the direction of shutting off the Federal Reserve printing press, and restoring sound money(gold and silver coin/commodity-backed currency), would harm our future?

Throwing around words like "crazy" is lazy, shallow, and a resuscitation of the MSM propaganda that has been thrown out there ad nauseum, since Ron Paul's sound fiscal arguments are catching on with the young people who now see(and are rejecting) the lifestyle of going round-and-round in a hampster wheel to gain bank credit, so they can pay taxes and buy cheap products and other "needed assets" that depreciate and break exponentially faster than inflation affords the middle-class a reasonable opportunity to keep up.

Secondly, to attempt to balance out that age-old insult with a half-hearted compliment("well-meaning"); and then implying he is a selfish gold-hoarder("stuffing his mattress") is just more a perpetuation of negative rhetoric than a respectable discussion about this nation's own debt crisis.

This nation is insolvent, bankrupt...and the wars and the welfare simply cannot continue...and Ron Paul is the only one pointing this out at a time when Wall Street thinks Europe has the debt crisis! 

Ron Paul has said that Congress should adopt the budget from 2004 perhaps; before that, he proposed why not give everyone what they got last year(a spending freeze)...He is also the only GOP candidate that has not only proposed a 1 trillion dollar cut in spending in his first year in office; but also the only one analyzed Paul Ryan's budget, and the so-called Super-Committee's budget recommendations properly; by saying their proposals are totally insincere, in that they are only proposing cuts to assumed baseline budget increases which is "tinkering around the edges" of our debt/spending problem.

There are plenty of Reagan-Democrats there in Monroe.  Actually, there are plenty more all throughout the nation, and they are listening to Ron Paul's fiscal arguments.  Social issues will simply NOT matter in this election; even though Ron Paul already wow'd them at CPAC the past two years, and the Values Voters Summit chiefly sponsored by the Family Research Council this year.

Anyway, to not even lend this morally grounded candidate a legitimate ear, but instead repeat the MSM/pro-establishment, right-wing talk radio rhetoric about this former physician and Air Force veteran(flight surgeon) being a "loon"(in typical sarcastic Bill O'Reilly fashion) is but an unwarranted attack on a good, accomplished, and consistent Statesman(not a cookie-cutter, flip-flopping, opportunistic politician).

Such a knee-jerk dismissal of his qualifications or electablility is a direct assault on our nation's posterity; in that, by electing another arrogant, high-spending(dollar-debasing) foreign interventionist, like we are an empire that exists to police the world; the electorate continual clamor for "more of the same"(government save and survive us), and totally denies the dire painful reality that those dependent on Federal Reserve printing press will suffer when the out-of-control spending renders us a total fraud on the world stage at the hands of politicians controlled by money and corporate interests(that Democrats supposedly hate). 

Below, for an example, is a YouTube I personally made after I heard that same "sincere", "unqualified", "unrealistic", "crazy old man" mantra repeated(and unnecessarily inserted) into a smaller-market talk radio program in Chicago recently.  The electorate better wake up to the reality about what fiat currencies are, how empire's rise and fall through arrogance, and how socialist state's and "democracies" eventually vote for their own destruction via dictatorships and communism due to their dependance upon corrupt, immoral and unsustainable governments and puppet leaders.

Ron Paul 2012: Ad Nauseum Talk-Radio Bias

[ussoccer26]

Great post! Ron Paul has been warning us about this mess for what seems like forever, but of course most people don't know that because of the main stream media bias. Foxnews wouldn't even say his name for crying out loud!

[ussoccer26]

Oh and I love it when you can get Ron Paul in a debate. He usually slams his opponent into the dirt by talking circles around them.

[Baby Hitler]

...born from the "Newt" thread, and this comment specifically: "The well-meaning but ultimately crazy Uncle who stuffs his mattress with gold." - please substantiate how moving our nation in the direction of shutting off the Federal Reserve printing press, and restoring sound money(gold and silver coin/commodity-backed currency), would harm our future?

How does he, or you, propose to go to the "gold or silver" standard?

What level do you set the value at? $1 = 0.000001g of silver or $1 = 1g of silver

If they coin the money, and the commodity prices of silver goes up, what will keep people from melting down those coins and selling it because now that coin is worth $1.10 in commodity prices?

[Pax]

     Exactly this, Less: anyone delirious enough to believe that such a vile, corrupt (and probably Luciferian) regime as the present-day corporation US - created with the helpful assistance of Republicans and Democrats alike - could possibly be altered for the better by an adherent of one of those American political parties should be dismissed out-of-hand as the lunatic he is. 

     If Paul runs as an Independent he's a dead man - he knows it and everyone else does too.  The Globalists/Zionists/Luciferians who are running the show will countenance no objections to their objectives whatsoever...

[LessGovernment]

How does he, or you, propose to go to the "gold or silver" standard?

Fluffy,

I do not mean to be dismissive condescending in any manner...this country is an a debt crisis as big or bigger than all these other nations needing a bailout by the IMF or other "fund" of pooled money by multiple world central banks.

Let me ask in general; do we fully understand that our dollar(the world's reserve currency) is only backed by the "full faith and credit of the United States of America") and NOT any commodity whatsoever; and that the United States of America(the treasury that "backs" that dollar - pays back the nation we borrow money from) has NOTHING to give unless it first takes it from someone else?

Do we understand that every dollar the Federal Reserve prints and gives to Congress, Israel, Israel's enemies, or contributes to a pool of money to bail out Greece, Italy or whomever; is a dollar that the United States taxpayer is on the hook for PLUS interest?

Ron Paul has said the United States has defaulted 3 times in one of the earliest GOP debates(see below); that was his most important point...and I think it went over most people's heads.

Ron Paul has said there are only 3 options for this government to pay it's obligations...BORROW money, TAX the United States citizens, or PRINT the money(which debases the currency and is a deliberate policy of inflation)...there are no other options.

On top of that, as I know everyone can see the prices going up; a commodity-backed currency keeps the government HONEST...meaning...when another nation holding dollars, attempts to cash them in for GOLD(or oil or corn or silver or any "basket of commodities" as Ron Paul has suggested), they will BE PAID on DEMAND which makes us creditworthy!

As it stands now, if some other country makes a demand on our treasury(cashes in their treasuries), and demands CASH so they can go trade them in for a commodity; the Fed has to print the money and the treasury has to go retrieve that money(PLUS interest) from the US taxpayer at a time when our national unemployment rate is realistically in the low 20's...or...borrow from Peter to pay Paul.

This nation is severely in debt; this crisis, and these same policies that pro-Fed Republican and Democrat career politicians continue to follow(also supporting Obamacare which is nothing more than a HUGE TAX to pay for and exponential increase in medical bills the government is obligating itself to pay on BEHALF of ALL Americans without our consent - and nothing to do with healthcare at all) must be stopped...and Ron Paul is the ONLY one that will move us in that transitional direction to save our nation's reputation as creditworthy, and not a nation with a bloated central government that, in communist fashion(the State provides EVERYTHING), follows the policies of the former collapsed former Soviet Union...bent on perpetuating welfare and warfare it cannot afford.

There will be a long, and painful transition to commodity-backed dollar once again(restoring our creditworthiness and fiscal morality on the world stage that sees us as a arrogant banking bully with a military threat to back them up); and that transition begins with the good-will gesture of SLASHING government spending, bringing the troops home immediately, and a 1 Trillion dollar cut in the budget in his first year.

Somebody has to take the candy from the baby(Congress and corporatists), and stop using our military as cannon-fodder and fiat currency(issuing credit to our allies who assist us in empire-building) for this conquest of control over the world's supposedly finite resources(human and natural).  This has to be done abruptly, and with the moral fortitude to survive the temper-tantrum of those surviving on BOTH corporate and social welfare...because what's right is RIGHT!!!

We've only been a total fiat currency for 40 years - my lifetime; we can reverse course and be what our founders envisioned us to be once again by throwing out the "money-changers" from high office...and a Ron Paul presidency would be the beginning of that...and a more peaceful new beginning/recovery than the inevitable will be if we just maintain the status quo that career politicians and the media want.  World history bears out the rise and falls of bully empire's that spread their debt and NOT good will and equal opportunity.

The onus of our original revolution was the same scenario...the over-extended Mother Country attempted to transfer their debt load onto this new colony; and we rebelled because those Americans endured "the weather", "battled savages", and created industry and generated a profit and good standard of living just like most sincere Americans today are trying to do honestly...it is time the states agree with Ron Paul and assert their desire to run their own show, and reject this empire-building on the backs of their already overtaxed residents; or, the day will soon come where we will be forced to "throw off" these many aligned and bloated parent governments through civil war; as has broken out in other countries that are mad at their governments for getting in bed with America and other corporatists who have NOT the best interest of their population and their posterity in mind.   

The fruits of my labor are MINE; and if I want to buy gold and silver, buy needed groceries, instead of pay union dues or be forced into a bankrupted state pension system I ought to have that right - now I have been forced to buy those things AFTER deductions - and it's gone too far - because too many on the right and the left have been conditioned to exist, and be survived by the socialism that comes from a central government's adherence to a TOTAL fiat currency system!

90 seconds for Ron Paul 2012

 

[Baby Hitler]

How does he, or you, propose to go to the "gold or silver" standard?

Fluffy,

I do not mean to be dismissive condescending in any manner...this country is an a debt crisis as big or bigger than all these other nations needing a bailout by the IMF or other "fund" of pooled money by multiple world central banks.

Let me ask in general; do we fully understand that our dollar(the world's reserve currency) is only backed by the "full faith and credit of the United States of America") and NOT any commodity whatsoever; and that the United States of America(the treasury that "backs" that dollar - pays back the nation we borrow money from) has NOTHING to give unless it first takes it from someone else?

Do we understand that every dollar the Federal Reserve prints and gives to Congress, Israel, Israel's enemies, or contributes to a pool of money to bail out Greece, Italy or whomever; is a dollar that the United States taxpayer is on the hook for PLUS interest?

Ron Paul has said the United States has defaulted 3 times in one of the earliest GOP debates(see below); that was his most important point...and I think it went over most people's heads.

Ron Paul has said there are only 3 options for this government to pay it's obligations...BORROW money, TAX the United States citizens, or PRINT the money(which debases the currency and is a deliberate policy of inflation)...there are no other options.

On top of that, as I know everyone can see the prices going up; a commodity-backed currency keeps the government HONEST...meaning...when another nation holding dollars, attempts to cash them in for GOLD(or oil or corn or silver or any "basket of commodities" as Ron Paul has suggested), they will BE PAID on DEMAND which makes us creditworthy!

As it stands now, if some other country makes a demand on our treasury(cashes in their treasuries), and demands CASH so they can go trade them in for a commodity; the Fed has to print the money and the treasury has to go retrieve that money(PLUS interest) from the US taxpayer at a time when our national unemployment rate is realistically in the low 20's...or...borrow from Peter to pay Paul.

This nation is severely in debt; this crisis, and these same policies that pro-Fed Republican and Democrat career politicians continue to follow(also supporting Obamacare which is nothing more than a HUGE TAX to pay for and exponential increase in medical bills the government is obligating itself to pay on BEHALF of ALL Americans without our consent - and nothing to do with healthcare at all) must be stopped...and Ron Paul is the ONLY one that will move us in that transitional direction to save our nation's reputation as creditworthy, and not a nation with a bloated central government that, in communist fashion(the State provides EVERYTHING), follows the policies of the former collapsed former Soviet Union...bent on perpetuating welfare and warfare it cannot afford.

There will be a long, and painful transition to commodity-backed dollar once again(restoring our creditworthiness and fiscal morality on the world stage that sees us as a arrogant banking bully with a military threat to back them up); and that transition begins with the good-will gesture of SLASHING government spending, bringing the troops home immediately, and a 1 Trillion dollar cut in the budget in his first year.

Somebody has to take the candy from the baby(Congress and corporatists), and stop using our military as cannon-fodder and fiat currency(issuing credit to our allies who assist us in empire-building) for this conquest of control over the world's supposedly finite resources(human and natural).  This has to be done abruptly, and with the moral fortitude to survive the temper-tantrum of those surviving on BOTH corporate and social welfare...because what's right is RIGHT!!!

We've only been a total fiat currency for 40 years - my lifetime; we can reverse course and be what our founders envisioned us to be once again by throwing out the "money-changers" from high office...and a Ron Paul presidency would be the beginning of that...and a more peaceful new beginning/recovery than the inevitable will be if we just maintain the status quo that career politicians and the media want.  World history bears out the rise and falls of bully empire's that spread their debt and NOT good will and equal opportunity.

The onus of our original revolution was the same scenario...the over-extended Mother Country attempted to transfer their debt load onto this new colony; and we rebelled because those Americans endured "the weather", "battled savages", and created industry and generated a profit and good standard of living just like most sincere Americans today are trying to do honestly...it is time the states agree with Ron Paul and assert their desire to run their own show, and reject this empire-building on the backs of their already overtaxed residents; or, the day will soon come where we will be forced to "throw off" these many aligned and bloated parent governments through civil war; as has broken out in other countries that are mad at their governments for getting in bed with America and other corporatists who have NOT the best interest of their population and their posterity in mind.   

The fruits of my labor are MINE; and if I want to buy gold and silver, buy needed groceries, instead of pay union dues or be forced into a bankrupted state pension system I ought to have that right - now I have been forced to buy those things AFTER deductions - and it's gone too far - because too many on the right and the left have been conditioned to exist, and be survived by the socialism that comes from a central government's adherence to a TOTAL fiat currency system!

90 seconds for Ron Paul 2012

Why should I answer your questions when you evaded mine?

How does he, or you, propose to go to the "gold or silver" standard?

Even if I agree with everything you said, you have to have a plan as to how to get to the silver and/or gold standard.

HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT IT?

You can use all the words you want to say why it should be this way and not that. But you have to have a plan to get there. It doesn't just happen magically overnight.

Come up with a VIABLE PLAN as to HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT and then we can talk, until then you are just smoking yourself into a pipe dream.

[John Kopke]

Why should I answer your questions when you evaded mine?

How does he, or you, propose to go to the "gold or silver" standard?

Even if I agree with everything you said, you have to have a plan as to how to get to the silver and/or gold standard.

HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT IT?

You can use all the words you want to say why it should be this way and not that. But you have to have a plan to get there. It doesn't just happen magically overnight.

Come up with a VIABLE PLAN as to HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT and then we can talk, until then you are just smoking yourself into a pipe dream.

Well Fluffy I can't provide the plan to go back to a gold based system, but God help us, we better come up with something because it won't be long before the system we have takes us over the cliff. SS and Medicare, insolvent even today, are adding 10,000 baby boomers to the rolls every day!  10K a day!!!! We borrow or print 40 cents of every dollar we spend! We just recently discovered the FED secretly funneled/digitized over $ 7 trillion into the international banking system, in addition to the measly $ 700 billion we taxpayers provided for TARP. Heaven knows how much more we will ultimately pony up to prop up the EU so they don't take us down with them.

So while your question is legitimate as to how we can implement a gold/silver based system we sure as heck better come up with something, and it better be soon. Otherwise, we might as well all buy Greek bonds
and go down in flames together.

[LessGovernment]

How does he, or you, propose to go to the "gold or silver" standard?

I don't know what kind of answer you're looking for: we have all said it will be a transition because we have had the Fed as a central bank for 100 years, and our dollar has not been backed by these precious metals since 1971.

First things first, though:

1) ADMIT the debt exists and is a BURDEN our government placed upon us
2) Admit it has reached the level of a CRISIS, the dollar is about to collapse
3) Understand that it is a bigger PRIORITY in our budget for our Congress to pay the Fed the INTEREST DUE on the debt of the United States before welfare, social security, and medicare

4) Look at all the other candidates, and recognize only ONE very-educated and accomplished candidate is calling this crisis what it is, and is actually proposing a solution!

Again, the proposed CUT of one trillion dollars in the first year is a gesture that clearly demonstrates our nation's intention is NOT to print dollars into oblivion to prop up our debt, or the debt of other nations...as well as perpetuate the wars, expand the wars, and promise people MORE cradle to grave government care in food and medicine and housing - which is State-sponsored socialism that is the pathway to communism.

Earning our credibility back in this regard; backing our dollar with a commodity is not a light switch...meaning, on January 1st 2013, Ron Paul announces "if you don't have gold or silver coin you cannot buy or sell anymore; and employers must immediately start paying their employees in gold and silver coin also"...although you still have the right to store precious metals for yourself should you recognize what is happening(a rise and BIG fall seen repeatedly in world history as the evil nature of unscrupulous men, drunk with power, run governments amok with such arrogance; understood by George Washington/Thomas Jefferson/Andrew Jackson and so many others), and neither major political party is doing a damn thing to reverse course economically.

As much as it has taken a LONG time to debase the dollar to its current level; as well as destroy our nation's reputation of "good will" with other nations(but rather being lulled back into allowing a central bank to control our politics); the people, the US taxpayers who cannot overdraw their checking accounts or borrow money and charge someone else the interest, have to step up and throw these bums out of office and demand this restoration of moral character and sound financial responsibility as patriots.

Your assertion about that I am not answering your question, alluding or evading the "how" we go about this sound money 'ideal' is but a knee-jerk rejection of what many believe is 'unrealistic'; which puts all of them in the same camp as living in denial that enslavement of a free people by debt and usury has actually occurred, is also a routine immoral and evil sales pitch that governments deliberately impose upon their people only in order to maintain their separated status and life of luxury for them and those that fund their election...they do this by giving "freebies" to the people, that the people PAY FOR(from a supposed common pot of wealth - except this one already has a negative balance that is growing exponentially); and once we "take the candy" - we become conditioned that it can never be taken away...making these things an entitlement!

This needs to be addressed; and ONLY Ron Paul is addressing it(has been doing it for 30 years also), and proposing to restore our economy to a system of sound money - which was deliberately demanded by the founders of our nation to establish credibility from the beginning...it is now the electorate's responsibility to be as wise and virtuous as them and realize not only that this welfare and warfare cannot go on any further because we have rendered ourselves insolvent because of it, and these policies are simply the antithesis to our "good name" and founding principles.

Ron Paul warns Americans of coming economic collapse and possible martial law

[Baggins]

The way things are going as of now, he's got my vote...the other options are just too much crap!

[T-M-T]

If he’s such a fresh all-seeing and knowing visionary, why wouldn’t he just run as an independent and tell the “establishment” parties to take a hike? 

Why is he a Republican, running for the Republican nomination?

Personally, I like some of his ideas, like bringing our troops home, but if “fixing” the economy involves the greatest depression our nation has ever seen (his plan would) and letting people starve to death, fend for themselves or go without medical care because they can’t afford it, I’ll pass.  Most Americans agree with me, fortunately.  He comes off to most people as bitter, old, obsessed with the Federal Reserve  and yes, crazy. 

He hasn’t dismissed the idea of running as an independent after losing the primaries either.  Just like Nader helped Bush in 2000, He would peel off votes from Romney/Gingrich/Palin/Santorum/Trump/Bachmann and let Obama cruise to a second term.  Paul’s certainly dumb and stubborn enough to do it too.

[Baggins]

No one has said he's all knowing and all seeing...Maybe this country needs a little crazy to change it's ways...Nobody's perfect and in polotics, it never happens...lol


Has everyone forgot about Fort Knox and this countries hoarded gold...?

[SMASH]

If he’s such a fresh all-seeing and knowing visionary, why wouldn’t he just run as an independent and tell the “establishment” parties to take a hike? 

Why is he a Republican, running for the Republican nomination?

Personally, I like some of his ideas, like bringing our troops home, but if “fixing” the economy involves the greatest depression our nation has ever seen (his plan would) and letting people starve to death, fend for themselves or go without medical care because they can’t afford it, I’ll pass.  Most Americans agree with me, fortunately.  He comes off to most people as bitter, old, obsessed with the Federal Reserve  and yes, crazy. 

He hasn’t dismissed the idea of running as an independent after losing the primaries either.  Just like Nader helped Bush in 2000, He would peel off votes from Romney/Gingrich/Palin/Santorum/Trump/Bachmann and let Obama cruise to a second term.  Paul’s certainly dumb and stubborn enough to do it too.

If he’s such a fresh all-seeing and knowing visionary, why wouldn’t he just run as an independent and tell the “establishment” parties to take a hike?

Because he knows the OWNERS of this country. The Political Parties and their undying retards that support them!
It takes two wings for a bird to fly. Our country has two, the Left (Dems) and the Right (the neoConned whack jobs in the GOP), and they are attached to the same bird. The same bird that is in a Death Spiral.

He also knows and understands how the elections of this country are owned BY the Parties.
If you are not a "D" or a "R" you WILL NOT get on a ballot.
Hell, Gary Johnson can't even get into a debate and he polls just as high as some of the others on the STAGE!

The People at large have NO CLUE how important and influential the Office of Secretary of State is!

If you OWN that you OWN the elections!


Why is he a Republican, running for the Republican nomination?

Play the system as it is rigged!
He ran as a Libertarian and got hosed. He knows his OWNERS!


Just ask any "Establishment" Monroe County Republican about the purge that went down in the last election cycle!
The "Party" will circle the wagons and protect their own under the banner of "Party Unity".
And they complain about the Dems!

but if “fixing” the economy involves the greatest depression our nation has ever seen (his plan would) and letting people starve to death, fend for themselves or go without medical care because they can’t afford it, I’ll pass.

Yep, and many will too!
They will rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic while the ship sinks and suck from it what they can til the pump is dry. Then only GOD can help us, if HE is willing.

Most Americans agree with me, fortunately.

Sure they do. They have been indoctinated to suck from the teat of the fatted mamma cow. Well the teat is running dry and she has no hay to eat and too many calves to feed.

He comes off to most people as bitter, old, obsessed with the Federal Reserve  and yes, crazy. 

Bitter?
Seems upbeat to me. Ever seen how he raves about the optimisim of the young folks at all the college campuses he goes to?
Didn't think so.

Old?
Yep. He is just about as old as some of our founders: And with that age come wisdom.

Obsessed with the FED?
Yes, as I said before; He knows our OWNERS! So does Barney Frank!

Crazy?
When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. – Dresden James
 

He hasn’t dismissed the idea of running as an independent after losing the primaries either.

Assuming he does.

Just like Nader helped Bush in 2000, He would peel off votes from Romney/Gingrich/Palin/Santorum/Trump/Bachmann and let Obama cruise to a second term.

Yep, just like Perot!
And, we got Clinton. So what?
If it ain't Ron Paul, it's more of the same.
I did it before, here it is again.

Meet the new Boss,
Same as the old Boss.
Obama=Romney=Gingrich=Hitlery=Bachmann.

[Mike Ingels]

Sure.  Go ahead and waste your vote.

[SMASH]

Sure.  Go ahead and waste your vote.

Waste you say?

And what about waste?


Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. – John Adams (1814)

Thanks to the 14th and 17th Amendments we now live in a Democracy and not the Republic our Founders died for and we crushed. The greed of the People and the rape of the Public Treasury has murdered what they created for OUR benefit. We didn't let it die from neglect, our crime is worse, we murdered it. People scream about corporate greed these days. We created it, we wanted it, we voted it for ourselves. Willingly. 
In ignorance most can deny, but the Law will not allow, the fact that there is a big difference between the united States of America, and the United States of America.

Waste you say?

It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money. – P.J. O'Rourke

Waste you say?

A vote is "wasted" when someone fails to vote their conscience. – Jesse Ventura

 Democracy has proved only that the best way to gain power over people is to assure the people that they are ruling themselves. Once they believe that, they make wonderfully submissive slaves. – Joseph Sobran in The Myth of 'Limited Government'

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe