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[Baggins]

where does the authority come from?

Nothing in the Constitution grants authority to the Federal government to prohibit or regulate what people ingest...alcohol required a constitutional amendment to prohibit its use and we all know how well that turned out, but there is none that support the war on drugs, yet it goes on...

[jbs49238]

Ever heard of thee "War on Drugs"?

Where does the authority come from to perpetuate this War within the boarders of the US on the American People?

So people who abuse street drugs are enemy combatants of the state in your eyes?

That's the government's position bub, not mine.

I am asking how you got to the conclusion that that is the governments position.  Spell it out.

Oh and by the way Fry....

JBS interpreted some comments wrong again.
Well I'm not surprised.

As usual... you are wrong again.  He even admits his stance is that the government views drug users and dealers as enemy combatants.  He just didn't tell us how he drew that conclusion.  All I did was ask a question, didn't interpret a damn thing.  But anyway I know copy/paste is your strong suit... not reading comprehension so I forgive your gaff.

And Baggins,

All I did was ask a question.  Why would a question rattle your cage?

[Frenchfry]

I am asking how you got to the conclusion that that is the governments position.  Spell it out.

Oh and by the way Fry....

As usual... you are wrong again.  He even admits his stance is that the government views drug users and dealers as enemy combatants.  He just didn't tell us how he drew that conclusion.  All I did was ask a question, didn't interpret a damn thing.  But anyway I know copy/paste is your strong suit... not reading comprehension so I forgive your gaff.

And Baggins,

All I did was ask a question.  Why would a question rattle your cage?

HE didn't say that...YOU said that.

What the h*ll do you people smoke anyway?

It seems like you righties rarely miss an opportunity to twist and distort.

I assume smash meant borders but even taking the word boarders literally wouldn't be enough to misconstrue his post.

Yes the war on drugs has been a dismal failure.

The prisons are packed with people labeled as criminals that should not be there.

I agree with Ron Paul on the drug issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Drug_prohibition

But all of his other republican right-wing positions would be a disaster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

[Baggins]

Jbs, the answer to your question as far as I can figure out what you're asking...The simple fact that we have a war on drugs within our own countries border is reason enough to prove the government harbors those sentiments towards the users of recreational drugs.  They are treated the same as enemy combatants...In fact they are treated worse, there is no geneva convention to protect them.

[jbs49238]

HE didn't say that...YOU said that.


I agree with Ron Paul on the drug issue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Drug_prohibition

But all of his other republican right-wing positions would be a disaster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

You really cannot read can you?  He did say the government thinks drug users and dealers are enemy combatants:

He said and I quote:

That's the government's position bub, not mine.

See where it says author=SMASH?

All I did was ask a question I made no statements of fact, theory, or opinion at all... show me where I did!  YOU are the one that made the implications and assigned them to the players.  Like I said I forgive your gaff!

Now stop following me around like a lost puppy.

Jbs, the answer to your question as far as I can figure out what you're asking...The simple fact that we have a war on drugs within our own countries border is reason enough to prove the government harbors those sentiments towards the users of recreational drugs.  They are treated the same as enemy combatants...In fact they are treated worse, there is no geneva convention to protect them.

So you take the word "war" literally in the term "War on Drugs"?

I take it as a cute catch phrase to describe the operations of government as officers enforce ridiculous laws.  Do you really think the everyday officer enjoys finding a dime bad on a traffic stop? 

When was the last time you heard of an officer just wandering up and barging into a home because he smelled pot smoke?  Because if you think you are an enemy combatant of the State if you smoke pot they wouldn't need probable cause, or a warrant, you would never get a trial.

[Baggins]

I wouldn't call Ron Paul a right winger...He's something of his own creation...LOL

[Frenchfry]

He did say the government thinks drug users and dealers are enemy combatants:

So people who abuse street drugs are enemy combatants of the state in your eyes?

This is what you quoted Sybil....yourself!

You may have interpreted his post to mean that...but he did NOT say that.

YOU DID.

And note what smash said again:

That's the government's position bub, not mine.

He already answered you JBS.

Hey JBS....do you agree with the drug war? Would you call it a success?

[Baggins]

So you take the word "war" literally in the term "War on Drugs"?

I take it as a cute catch phrase to describe the operations of government as officers enforce ridiculous laws.  Do you really think the everyday officer enjoys finding a dime bad on a traffic stop? 

When was the last time you heard of an officer just wandering up and barging into a home because he smelled pot smoke?  Because if you think you are an enemy combatant of the State if you smoke pot they wouldn't need probable cause, or a warrant, you would never get a trial

Yes, I believe law officers take the war on drugs literally as a war...

Probable cause is interpreted by the officer, if a cop pulls you over and wants to search your car, there is not a damn thing you can do or say about it, it will happen...How many times in the recent past have the police kicked in the door of the wrong house, with a proper search warrent...?

[jbs49238]

This is what you quoted Sybil....yourself!

You may have interpreted his post to mean that...but he did NOT say that.

YOU DID.

And note what smash said again:He already answered you JBS.

Hey JBS....do you agree with the drug war? Would you call it a success?

I didn't SAY anything Fry.  You can cut and paste the quotes into any order you want, I aksed a question, like I said... you drew the conclusions and assigned them to the players.

And no fry I think the war on drugs is a horrible failure and I think officers would rather spend their time preventing real crime, like break-ins, assaults and the like.  They would have the time to do this and an adequate presence if they didn't have to bust every dope holding some dope.

NOW TO CLARIFY:

And this is actually going to take some reading on your part....

Absolutely correct PAX, only the president can terminate the 1933 "National Emergency" that subjects United States citizens to the same powers we use against the "enemy" during times of war.

Paul will terminate the Trading With the Enemy Act as amended of March 9th 1933, this is why the establishment is wetting themselves.

This is seriously your guys's most pressing concern, the symbolic termination of an 80 year old law that isn't really enforced anymore?
How much weed, exactly, and laced with what, do you guys need to smoke for any of this to make sense?

Ever heard of thee "War on Drugs"?

Where does the authority come from to perpetuate this War within the boarders of the US on the American People?

So people who abuse street drugs are enemy combatants of the state in your eyes?

NOTE THE FRIGGIN QUESTION MARK..............

That's the government's position bub, not mine.

SMASH states that his belief is that the government views drug users and dealers as enemy combatants.

JBS interpreted some comments wrong again.
Well I'm not surprised.

LOGIC FAIL!!!!  I never interpreted a thing, simply asked a question.  It is that whole reading comprehension thing rearing its ugly head again.

As usual... you are wrong again.  He even admits his stance is that the government views drug users and dealers as enemy combatants.  He just didn't tell us how he drew that conclusion.  All I did was ask a question, didn't interpret a damn thing.  But anyway I know copy/paste is your strong suit... not reading comprehension so I forgive your gaff.

HE didn't say that...YOU said that.

What the h*ll do you people smoke anyway?

It seems like you righties rarely miss an opportunity to twist and distort.

I assume smash meant borders but even taking the word boarders literally wouldn't be enough to misconstrue his post.

Ahh you assumed and thus we found the root of the problem.  You went out there and thought on your own.

So where Fry?  Where in that did I SAY the government feels drug dealers and users are enemy combatants of the government?  Don't wast your time I didn't.

You got so wrapped up in trying to make me look foolish that you got crossed up yourself.  Then you cut up the quotes in order to try and save face. 

As usual the conversation means nothing to you, just the argument over words and the chance to eventually name call which I am sure is close to being right around the corner.  But of course this is what always happens when you try to think on your own.

Go home puppy.

[Frenchfry]

Quote from: Frenchfry on Today at 09:51:37 PM

    This is what you quoted Sybil....yourself!

    You may have interpreted his post to mean that...but he did NOT say that.

    YOU DID.

    And note what smash said again:He already answered you JBS.

    Hey JBS....do you agree with the drug war? Would you call it a success?


I didn't SAY anything Fry.  You can cut and paste the quotes into any order you want, I aksed a question, like I said... you drew the conclusions and assigned them to the players.

And no fry I think the war on drugs is a horrible failure and I think officers would rather spend their time preventing real crime, like break-ins, assaults and the like.  They would have the time to do this and an adequate presence if they didn't have to bust every dope holding some dope.

NOW TO CLARIFY:

And this is actually going to take some reading on your part....

Quote from: toobad on January 28, 2012, 10:14:02 PM

    Absolutely correct PAX, only the president can terminate the 1933 "National Emergency" that subjects United States citizens to the same powers we use against the "enemy" during times of war.

    Paul will terminate the Trading With the Enemy Act as amended of March 9th 1933, this is why the establishment is wetting themselves.


Quote from: lordfly on January 30, 2012, 08:32:06 PM

    This is seriously your guys's most pressing concern, the symbolic termination of an 80 year old law that isn't really enforced anymore?
    How much weed, exactly, and laced with what, do you guys need to smoke for any of this to make sense?


Quote from: SMASH on Today at 01:02:22 PM

    Ever heard of thee "War on Drugs"?

    Where does the authority come from to perpetuate this War within the boarders of the US on the American People?


Quote from: jbs49238 on Today at 02:46:42 PM

    So people who abuse street drugs are enemy combatants of the state in your eyes?


NOTE THE FRIGGIN QUESTION MARK..............

Quote from: SMASH on Today at 05:41:17 PM

    That's the government's position bub, not mine.


SMASH states that his belief is that the government views drug users and dealers as enemy combatants.

Quote from: Frenchfry on Today at 07:06:21 PM

    JBS interpreted some comments wrong again.
    Well I'm not surprised.


LOGIC FAIL!!!!  I never interpreted a thing, simply asked a question.  It is that whole reading comprehension thing rearing its ugly head again.

Quote from: jbs49238 on Today at 09:01:39 PM



    As usual... you are wrong again.  He even admits his stance is that the government views drug users and dealers as enemy combatants.  He just didn't tell us how he drew that conclusion.  All I did was ask a question, didn't interpret a damn thing.  But anyway I know copy/paste is your strong suit... not reading comprehension so I forgive your gaff.


Quote from: Frenchfry on Today at 09:24:55 PM

    HE didn't say that...YOU said that.

    What the h*ll do you people smoke anyway?

    It seems like you righties rarely miss an opportunity to twist and distort.

    I assume smash meant borders but even taking the word boarders literally wouldn't be enough to misconstrue his post.


Ahh you assumed and thus we found the root of the problem.  You went out there and thought on your own.

So where Fry?  Where in that did I SAY the government feels drug dealers and users are enemy combatants of the government?  Don't wast your time I didn't.

You got so wrapped up in trying to make me look foolish that you got crossed up yourself.  Then you cut up the quotes in order to try and save face.

As usual the conversation means nothing to you, just the argument over words and the chance to eventually name call which I am sure is close to being right around the corner.  But of course this is what always happens when you try to think on your own.

Go home puppy.

Seriously....drink another qt and hit the sack.
You may see your error after you sober up.
To reiterate, it appears you may have interpreted what smash said to mean something he didn't actually say.
While your interpretation may be correct....he did not say the words "enemy combatants"
You're the one that posted that....question mark or not.....you're the only one that used those words.
Not sure why you're trying so hard to put those words in the mouths of others....I guess your next argumentative game plan depends heavily upon an admission or otherwise you've expended all that brain power for naught.
But for now....I'd suggest sleeping it off.
You could always smoke another fat one later to resharpen your intellectual senses.

[Frenchfry]

Prostitutes at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada have decided to give part of their earnings to Republican presidential nominee contender Representative Ron Paul.
Prostitutes Donating To Ron Paul

[jbs49238]

Seriously....drink another qt and hit the sack.
You may see your error after you sober up.
To reiterate, it appears you may have interpreted what smash said to mean something he didn't actually say.
While your interpretation may be correct....he did not say the words "enemy combatants"
You're the one that posted that....question mark or not.....you're the only one that used those words.
Not sure why you're trying so hard to put those words in the mouths of others....I guess your next argumentative game plan depends heavily upon an admission or otherwise you've expended all that brain power for naught.
But for now....I'd suggest sleeping it off.
You could always smoke another fat one later to resharpen your intellectual senses.

Yup it is official, your reading comprehension is non existant.  If you are going to make a mountain out of a mole hill you should at least understand what you are doing first.

I never said SMASH believes drug users and dealers are enemy combatants, I do say he believes the government sees drug users and dealers as enemy combatants, he said that himself in his reply to my question, and the conversation displays exactly that, very clearly actually.  You must have just missed it again while thinking up the zinger about the fat one, which I see completely spent your independent thought resources for the night.

As for interpretations... I WAS the first to use the words, I did so in a question, that is not in question.  You are the one that drew the inferences and assigned them, the only problem is you didn't understand what you read, you only thought you did and you ended up screwing the whole thing up.  Hey it happens to the best of us sometimes, but to you... it seems happen to you alot.  Personally for the record... I don't believe you are stupid in this regard, quite the contrary I think you are actually quite clever... you do it on purpose in an attempt to create drama, cover your tracks when you screw it up, or just that you are intellectually dishonest from time to time.

[jbs49238]

Prostitutes at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada have decided to give part of their earnings to Republican presidential nominee contender Representative Ron Paul.
Prostitutes Donating To Ron Paul

With that kind of support, who wouldn't want to be President?

[lordfly]

Where does the authority come from to perpetuate this War within the boarders of the US on the American People?

An election every two years of people who campaign to be hard on criminals? Ever think of that one?

No, of course not, it MUST be some obscure law drafted up in the Great Depression to further the Rothschild agenda to replace the GREAT AMERICAN CONSTITUTION with some Jewish banking cartel charter.

It can't POSSIBLY be because most people have had "drugs are bad and druggies must be stopped at all costs" hammered into their heads since birth. Hey, look at me, 6th grade DARE graduate...

You guys seriously need to apply some Occam's Razor all over your brains.

[toobad]

I don't think it is an "obscure law" drafted during the Great Depression. Actually Nixon declared the "War on Drugs" in 1971.

Article 1, Section 8.

"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

This article provides the power for the president to do so since congress gave the office the power to do so years earlier.