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Re: Scott Walker recall an almost certainty
« Reply #105 on: June 05, 2012, 08:27:32 AM »

Here's why he can't get involved in Wisconsin - or the Economy...   ;D

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Walker a target of investigation
« Reply #106 on: June 05, 2012, 12:22:45 PM »

David Shuster reports about the possibility that Gov. Scott Walker could be indicted in a long-running investigation of possible embezzlement and corruption among his staff, even if he is not recalled by voters this week.

Prosecutors told Gov. Walker he's a target of investigation, can't be cleared before recall election
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How will the Wisconsin recall affect the November election?
« Reply #107 on: June 05, 2012, 12:24:14 PM »

Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, tells Jennifer Granholm there is no direct coloration between the Wisconsin recall election and the presidential election in November. Sabato says it is a "classic political analyst trick" to draw a strait line between events happening now and an election five months down the road.

How will the Wisconsin recall affect the November election?
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Will Scott Walker Buy The Wisconsin Election?
« Reply #108 on: June 05, 2012, 12:26:26 PM »

From yesterday:

"Governor Scott Walker is not trying to win the Wisconsin recall election that will be held June 5. He is trying to buy it...Walker's campaign finance disclosure forms reveal that, as of May 21, Walker has raised more than $30 million for the June 5 fight he was forced into when more than 900,000 Wisconsinites petitioned for a new election...".

Will Scott Walker Buy The Wisconsin Election?
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From yesterday:

Lee Saunders, secretary-treasurer of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) and author of "The Main Street Moment: Fighting Back to Save the American Dream," joins "Viewpoint" host Eliot Spitzer to describe ASCME's efforts to get out the vote in the fight to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday, June 5.

Will workers fight the GOP's anti-union 'power play' by uniting to recall Scott Walker?
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Wisconsin - can we see how the Independents come in to play?
« Reply #110 on: June 05, 2012, 12:41:46 PM »

Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, tells Jennifer Granholm there is no direct coloration between the Wisconsin recall election and the presidential election in November. Sabato says it is a "classic political analyst trick" to draw a strait line between events happening now and an election five months down the road.

Funny how the main media outlets have differed with that opinion... it will have an impact.
I will agree that many things can change in the 5 months ahead that will change peoples opinions and thoughts on each candidate, so there is no straight line correlation - just job performance to go on. 

Can't seriously take any advice from Granholm -  who decided to abandon the State after she let it run down....   8*
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Re: Wisconsin - can we see how the Independents come in to play?
« Reply #111 on: June 05, 2012, 12:51:29 PM »

Funny how the main media outlets have differed with that opinion... it will have an impact.
I will agree that many things can change in the 5 months ahead that will change peoples opinions and thoughts on each candidate, so there is no straight line correlation - just job performance to go on. 

Can't seriously take any advice from Granholm -  who decided to abandon the State after she let it run down....   8*
Granholm served her term, she didn't "abandon" Michigan. And she wasn't responsible for the downturn....failed Republican policies hurt the entire Nation.

If you had watched the video, you would know that Granholm didn't offer any advice...she interviewed a guest. Please repair the sound on your computer...that excuse for remaining uninformed is getting old.


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Re: Scott Walker recalled, what does the election mean?
« Reply #112 on: June 05, 2012, 04:30:59 PM »

Some observations...

First to ProfH.  I don’t see Walker as ‘just” a conservative, but a tea radical.

Turnout is huge.  I am hearing 60-70% turnout.  That, for a non-Presidential race is gigantic. 

Walker has spent around 65 million to Barrett’s 4 million.  Frankly, with those numbers it should not even be close.  If it is, then it can be said it is because of all the outside money.  If it is close, it is confirmation that big money has a bigger “free speech voice” than people.

Recalls are rare, and whether his money can fend off a recall election, he was still recalled.

The high numbers appear to be both parties out in force.  It also seems to support that the divide is extreme, not just in numbers, but intensity.  I guess what it looks like is the Republican’s liked the thuggery and no compromise style of leadership, and the Democrats oppose that same thuggery.

From what I have heard, the rural conservatives are not so strong for Walker, although that will have to wait for election results to confirm.

So, does this present a “wave” as Republican’s rant?  I really doubt it.  I see this as meaning not much either way.  If Walker wins by a close vote, it just means big money matters.  If Barrett wins a close election, it means not much either.  Does it affect other state elections, or the Presidential election?  I think not.  I suppose it could make this one state a different mix, but that’s it.

What it will do is increase the spin.  Republicans will say that the “my way or the highway”” thuggery is what American’s (but just Republican’s) want. The Democrats will call it a strike against union elimination, or maybe the thuggery of “my way or the highway.”

What it really has been is a recall of a Governor that used extremist measures to accomplish his goals, and some say went too far.  It means only that he motivated those he decided didn’t matter to him.

Also up for recall are the Lt Governor and 3 Republican state senators.  A win of one makes the D’s the majority of the Senate.

Anyway, if the turnout is 60-70% and Walker wins close, then he has a whopping big population that extremely dislikes his way of doing things. 
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Re: Scott Walker recalled, what does the election mean?
« Reply #113 on: June 05, 2012, 10:24:11 PM »

Some observations...

First to ProfH.  I don’t see Walker as ‘just” a conservative, but a tea radical.

Turnout is huge.  I am hearing 60-70% turnout.  That, for a non-Presidential race is gigantic. 

Walker has spent around 65 million to Barrett’s 4 million.  Frankly, with those numbers it should not even be close.  If it is, then it can be said it is because of all the outside money.  If it is close, it is confirmation that big money has a bigger “free speech voice” than people.

Recalls are rare, and whether his money can fend off a recall election, he was still recalled.

The high numbers appear to be both parties out in force.  It also seems to support that the divide is extreme, not just in numbers, but intensity.  I guess what it looks like is the Republican’s liked the thuggery and no compromise style of leadership, and the Democrats oppose that same thuggery.

From what I have heard, the rural conservatives are not so strong for Walker, although that will have to wait for election results to confirm.

So, does this present a “wave” as Republican’s rant?  I really doubt it.  I see this as meaning not much either way.  If Walker wins by a close vote, it just means big money matters.  If Barrett wins a close election, it means not much either.  Does it affect other state elections, or the Presidential election?  I think not.  I suppose it could make this one state a different mix, but that’s it.

What it will do is increase the spin.  Republicans will say that the “my way or the highway”” thuggery is what American’s (but just Republican’s) want. The Democrats will call it a strike against union elimination, or maybe the thuggery of “my way or the highway.”

What it really has been is a recall of a Governor that used extremist measures to accomplish his goals, and some say went too far.  It means only that he motivated those he decided didn’t matter to him.

Also up for recall are the Lt Governor and 3 Republican state senators.  A win of one makes the D’s the majority of the Senate.

Anyway, if the turnout is 60-70% and Walker wins close, then he has a whopping big population that extremely dislikes his way of doing things.
So Walker has spent more than the total for the race?

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According to the Center for Public Integrity, candidates and outside groups spent in excess of $63 million on the recall election - an enormous figure that easily breaks the previous record of $37.4 million (set in the 2010 gubernatorial contest) for spending in a Wisconsin election. According to the New York Times, Walker and his Republican allies spent $45.6 million on the race as of May 21, while Barrett and his allies have spent $17.9 million.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57447954-503544/wisconsin-recall-walker-opens-slight-lead-as-votes-are-counted/

Also, it makes your cartoon look way off base. did you ever think that Wisconsin voters support Walker regardless of money spent? Of course, not because you do not support Walker, so you will come up with any reason to explain his win, except that the Wisconsin voters want him.
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Re: Scott Walker recall an almost certainty
« Reply #114 on: June 05, 2012, 11:51:19 PM »

And in the end... the race isn't even close.  Walker wins by an even larger margin than in 2010.
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Re: Scott Walker recall an almost certainty
« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2012, 12:18:27 AM »

Milwaukee Mayor Barrett just conceeded the election to Scott Walker with 93% of the vote in.  Walker is up 54% to Barrett's 46%.

Maybee the subject title of this topic should be changed to Scott Walker recall: No chance!
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Re: Scott Walker recall an almost certainty
« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2012, 10:24:54 AM »

How's that recall effort coming along in Wisc.  Looks like the people told the unions and dumacrats what they wanted.,.,
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Re: Scott Walker recall an almost certainty
« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2012, 10:38:18 AM »

Oh but they had so much money...

So Obama's goal of " One Beeeelion Dollars " should guarantee a reelection.
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Re: Scott Walker recall an almost certainty
« Reply #118 on: June 06, 2012, 10:43:17 AM »

This is sad.  Walker wss clearly bought by the Koch brothers and the people got duped into voting for him.  It's really sad that so many people are this gullible when the facts are right in front of them.
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Re: Scott Walker recall an almost certainty
« Reply #119 on: June 06, 2012, 11:57:26 AM »

What's really sad is that even when the people come out and speak their minds via vote, others feel the need to label them as gullible because the vote didn't turn out how they wanted. I am disgusted with both parties and this sentiment that people are too dumb to think for themselves is just insulting. If you think that the people of Wisconsin were brainwashed into voting for Walker because of names and money, then I could make the same argument for Obama and his throng of celebrity endorsements. I really could care less what the Koch brothers, Donald Trump,  Anna Wintour, or Sarah Jessica Parker thinks about politics. At the end of the day, I vote for the lesser of the evils, the person who aligns most with my views on government. I like to think that I'm not alone in that reasoning.
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