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[excelsior]

I see folks putting copyrighted work on this site.  Here are a couple good websites so folks can learn the laws regarding using copyrighted material.

U.S. Copyright Office
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#permission


University of Michigan Library
http://www.lib.umich.edu/copyright/using-copyrighted-material




Monroe Publishing Co. Terms of Service states the following:
http://www.monroepublishing.com/terms/

Posting content from other websites
Any content you post on a Monroe Publishing Co. website must be your original work, or you must have authorization from the copyright owner. 

[Frenchfry]

I see folks putting copyrighted work on this site.  Here are a couple good websites so folks can learn the laws regarding using copyrighted material.

U.S. Copyright Office
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#permission


University of Michigan Library
http://www.lib.umich.edu/copyright/using-copyrighted-material




Monroe Publishing Co. Terms of Service states the following:
http://www.monroepublishing.com/terms/

Posting content from other websites
Any content you post on a Monroe Publishing Co. website must be your original work, or you must have authorization from the copyright owner.

So if you can't take out your perceived adversary....you'll resort to what would amount to censorship on a grand scale...which would harm the very site you're presently utilizing since lack of content is one of the often heard complaints.

But of course in YOUR mind....you're only helping. 

Typical rightie.....not known for thinking things through.

[Baggins]

Read the small print...

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-a.html

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter8/

[excelsior]

So if you can't take out your perceived adversary....you'll resort to what would amount to censorship on a grand scale...which would harm the very site you're presently utilizing since lack of content is one of the often heard complaints.

But of course in YOUR mind....you're only helping. 

Typical rightie.....not known for thinking things through.

What ability allows "The Fry" to identify who I perceive as an adversary?

Using someone else's complete work without permission is stealing.   The US Copyright Laws exist to prevent this thievery and the unauthorized use.  Under the fair use doctrine, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, and scholarly reports.   

Freedom of speech is for the individual to use their own words and not steal the work of another without permission.

[excelsior]

Read the small print...

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-a.html

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter8/

Agreed, but the use has to be "limited" to fall within the fair use.  You can use pieces and quotes to make a point.   Some folks here use 100 percent and this would not qualify as limited.

[Baggins]

Agreed, but the use has to be "limited" to fall within the fair use.  You can use pieces and quotes to make a point.   Some folks here use 100 percent and this would not qualify as limited.

True enough, to use a complete work and claim it's yours wouldn't fall in line with fair use...

[Frenchfry]

True enough, to use a complete work and claim it's yours wouldn't fall in line with fair use...

And that's why the argument failed in the case of my contributions...I always provide attribution.

[Collegekid]

And that's why the argument failed in the case of my contributions...I always provide attribution.

Even with attribution you can't take someone else's work. Only in small portions under the fair use laws.

*Note that I don't know what started this particular thread, just stating based on the law.

[Frenchfry]

Even with attribution you can't take someone else's work. Only in small portions under the fair use laws.

*Note that I don't know what started this particular thread, just stating based on the law.

Well since you're not an attorney...and no complaints have been lodged by any parties with legal interest in the web content I've shared....I intend to continue with business as usual.

But you righties can continue your censorship campaign all you like.

[Collegekid]

Well since you're not an attorney...and no complaints have been lodged by any parties with legal interest in the web content I've shared....I intend to continue with business as usual.

No I'm not an attorney, but I do have a fair knowledge of the fair use laws being that I use them on a near daily basis as a writer.

[Frenchfry]

No I'm not an attorney, but I do have a fair knowledge of the fair use laws being that I use them on a near daily basis as a writer.

Then you should know there's a difference since I haven't made a penny from anything posted on MT....quite sure you're making at least some money from your daily basis writing...but thanks for your legal opinion.

I've been thinking about rebuilding the engine in my vehicle and since you drive cars...perhaps you could share your technical expertise. 

I should have stayed at a holiday inn   

[Collegekid]

Then you should know there's a difference since I haven't made a penny from anything posted on MT....quite sure you're making at least some money from your daily basis writing...but thanks for your legal opinion.

I've been thinking about rebuilding the engine in my vehicle and since you drive cars...perhaps you could share your technical expertise. 

I should have stayed at a holiday inn   

Doesn't matter if you are making money or not. Stealing someone else's work (even with attribution) without their permission is illegal.

Do I think that there will be repercussions from things on this forum? No, but if any place you take things from wanted to, they could press the issue.

[ducksoup]

LOL I find it hilarious that some are so hyper to attack the "enemy".  Yes, excel, fair use is the standard and correct.  Yes, your obvious attack   on one poster is legally correct.  Yes, the same individuals that attack and insult for copy/paste are equally insulting for personal thought and DEMAND sourcing.

From observation it appears that a more generous copy with sourcing is generally being allowed in some context, just as forum in particular.  While at the same time real journalists are tracked with seriousness.  If CK, as a journalist goes beyond fair use or does not credit, someone will be talking to his publisher very quickly.  It seems a certainty that AP and many large corporate type publishers have web crawlers out constantly looking.  They know that individuals repost too much and pretty much look the other way... for now.

A few years back MT was more conscious of the postings because there was a push to stop the practice and collect fees from forum providers.  Now, it seems that it is more allowable.

I think the reason is partly that a forum is a bit different in that talkers need to be on the same page for discussions, and are not as skilled as journalists.  They quote more because it is how they can communicate.  Is that stealing, sure.  However, as long as the source is credited it seems allowable by most.  That said, I think quoting ALL is not usually correct in most cases, however, more used that what a journalist could call "fair use" is generally acceptable to the copyright owners.  I do not know this as fact, but of one goes to most any non journalist blog or forum, the same type of overuse of quotes is typical.

While absolutely technically correct, excel's intent seems to be aimed at picking on one particular poster.  whatever.... 

[Professor H]

LOL I find it hilarious that some are so hyper to attack the "enemy".  Yes, excel, fair use is the standard and correct.  Yes, your obvious attack   on one poster is legally correct.  Yes, the same individuals that attack and insult for copy/paste are equally insulting for personal thought and DEMAND sourcing.

From observation it appears that a more generous copy with sourcing is generally being allowed in some context, just as forum in particular.  While at the same time real journalists are tracked with seriousness.  If CK, as a journalist goes beyond fair use or does not credit, someone will be talking to his publisher very quickly.  It seems a certainty that AP and many large corporate type publishers have web crawlers out constantly looking.  They know that individuals repost too much and pretty much look the other way... for now.

A few years back MT was more conscious of the postings because there was a push to stop the practice and collect fees from forum providers.  Now, it seems that it is more allowable.

I think the reason is partly that a forum is a bit different in that talkers need to be on the same page for discussions, and are not as skilled as journalists.  They quote more because it is how they can communicate.  Is that stealing, sure.  However, as long as the source is credited it seems allowable by most.  That said, I think quoting ALL is not usually correct in most cases, however, more used that what a journalist could call "fair use" is generally acceptable to the copyright owners.  I do not know this as fact, but of one goes to most any non journalist blog or forum, the same type of overuse of quotes is typical.

While absolutely technically correct, excel's intent seems to be aimed at picking on one particular poster.  whatever.... 

I agree, and would like to offer caution as well. 
It appears that forums like this and blogs are given a greater leeway on fair use - as long as they don't alter and provide citations.

Plagarism - is what happens when students attempt to use others works with a "few" changes.   Teachers now have access to programs that can scan papers for such violations, an interesting tool.   (Just in case any young students are reading)

Censorship vs protection of copyright laws is up to the courts,
remember the "file sharing" cases where entire works were being offered like music and programs.  In those cases the legal system was used and a few chosen violators were singled out to send a message.   

Not sure if that was the original intent or not - to send a message.
I have rarely found people in the forum posting without citation.

[Frenchfry]

The US Copyright fair use document resides here:

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

Collegekid's statements are accurate, but "The Fry" does not have the skill set to read and understand this law.



A number of schools have after school tutoring.  These programs include reading comprehension.  There are also a number of tutors in the area available for hire:

http://www.tutorselect.com/find/monroe_mi/reading/tutors

It's true that interpretation of laws is beyond my expertise...perhaps you'd care to reveal your qualifications? I'm not sure legal advice from say a factory rat has much value.