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[excelsior]

LOL I find it hilarious that some are so hyper to attack the "enemy".  Yes, excel, fair use is the standard and correct.  Yes, your obvious attack   on one poster is legally correct.  Yes, the same individuals that attack and insult for copy/paste are equally insulting for personal thought and DEMAND sourcing.

From observation it appears that a more generous copy with sourcing is generally being allowed in some context, just as forum in particular.  While at the same time real journalists are tracked with seriousness.  If CK, as a journalist goes beyond fair use or does not credit, someone will be talking to his publisher very quickly.  It seems a certainty that AP and many large corporate type publishers have web crawlers out constantly looking.  They know that individuals repost too much and pretty much look the other way... for now.

A few years back MT was more conscious of the postings because there was a push to stop the practice and collect fees from forum providers.  Now, it seems that it is more allowable.

I think the reason is partly that a forum is a bit different in that talkers need to be on the same page for discussions, and are not as skilled as journalists.  They quote more because it is how they can communicate.  Is that stealing, sure.  However, as long as the source is credited it seems allowable by most.  That said, I think quoting ALL is not usually correct in most cases, however, more used that what a journalist could call "fair use" is generally acceptable to the copyright owners.  I do not know this as fact, but of one goes to most any non journalist blog or forum, the same type of overuse of quotes is typical.

While absolutely technically correct, excel's intent seems to be aimed at picking on one particular poster.  whatever....

Posting links related to US Copyright laws is attack on one individual? 

I do not view anyone on this forum as an "enemy".   It appears that some folks on this board will provide that relational status for me if I ask someone to prove their statements are fact based.

[Frenchfry]

It's a good thing I'm not stealing.....I wouldn't want to get in trouble.
If the intent of the righties is to inflict as much damage as possible to MT...they're heading in the right direction. One of the respondents has a motive, he admitted he works for a competing news source.

The vast majority of my posts are from YouTube anyway.

As for the occasionally lengthy posts, some readers appreciate reading some of the material in its entirety (and some fear clicking links) but it seems the righties are more accustomed to receiving your news filtered/cherry-picked/out-of-context/twisted and distorted like FAUX NEWS, rather than the story as the author intended.

The demand for censorship to drag down the other readers to the level of other righties has been duly noted.

And unless the righties have a vested interest in the matter they've opined improperly used, I suggest they mind their own business.

But if history is a good indicator, that's not something the right-wing can do...they're compelled to poke their big noses into the business of others.

Which is another reason only a fool would vote republican.

[Collegekid]

Sorry FF, I do not work for a competing news source. I work in a different region, we don't cover Monroe County. Nice try though.

[Professor H]

Enforcement of copyright laws is not Censorship - however you want to spin it.  The originator of the works should get the credit and protections afforded.

Not sure what this had to do with copyright - but since you asked about it...
My personal views on links to videos and you tube, it's something for entertainment. 
I'm not sure if media shown on you tube is copywrited - but it is always good to include the reference regardless - which you do.
I prefer transcripts or something unique - like someones own opinon or interpretation to add to whatever the topic is...

More often than not it appears the video links are slanted views from Maddow, who has been known to throw out some false data to support her purpose of entertainment of her followers.   

It's entertainment! Maddow, Matthews, Olberman, Hannity or Beck, all pretend to be "news" oriented - but generally mean to keep target viewers entertained.
Both "sides" of the political spectrum do it.   

It's true that interpretation of laws is beyond my expertise...perhaps you'd care to reveal your qualifications? I'm not sure legal advice from say a factory rat has much value.

As a side note:
I see you sliding back to bullying techniques, resorting to insults or talking down to those who won't blindly follow you and your party line.
Why do you assume people who work in factories are uneducated?

[ducksoup]

Posting links related to US Copyright laws is attack on one individual? 

I do not view anyone on this forum as an "enemy".   It appears that some folks on this board will provide that relational status for me if I ask someone to prove their statements are fact based.

Cool, my error.  You picked this topic out of the blue for no reason than to be educational and has no relationship to any poster.  Got it.

[Frenchfry]

I see you sliding back to bullying techniques, resorting to insults or talking down to those who won't blindly follow you and your party line.
Why do you assume people who work in factories are uneducated?

I haven't bullied anyone....I'm merely responding to his constant barrage of attacks.

And I have no idea what the does for a living or what his area of expertise is...he hasn't answered my repeated questions.

The assumption you speak of wasn't that factory workers were uneducated but more that a competent attorney would more likely be practicing their profession in places other than factories.

As I alluded to earlier, it wouldn't be wise to seek the advice about an engine overhaul from someone just because they were experts at driving.

Anonymous legal advice has zero value.

The guy has an agenda and while he is still trolling, he has failed in my opinion.

His only accomplishment that I can see is that he ingratiated himself to those of his right-wing ilk.

Every time a right-winger comes out of hiding raising a stink as he has, it seems more often than not, right-wing cheerleaders like you are attracted like flies on s**t.

Yes I often step in that pile of doo but I doubt anyone really cares if a few flies get stepped on in the process.

[Frenchfry]

I see you sliding back to bullying techniques, resorting to insults or talking down to those who won't blindly follow you and your party line.
Why do you assume people who work in factories are uneducated?

BTW, I saw your mug printed in the comment section Sunday and I owe you an apology....the huge physical size of your head would indicate it should contain more matter than I've ever given you credit for.

Not that I ever considered you to be as dumb as a box of rocks....but the constituents of district 2 that voted for you are another matter.   

Only fools vote for republicans.

[Frenchfry]

I see folks putting copyrighted work on this site.  Here are a couple good websites so folks can learn the laws regarding using copyrighted material.

U.S. Copyright Office
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-fairuse.html#permission


University of Michigan Library
http://www.lib.umich.edu/copyright/using-copyrighted-material




Monroe Publishing Co. Terms of Service states the following:
http://www.monroepublishing.com/terms/

Posting content from other websites
Any content you post on a Monroe Publishing Co. website must be your original work, or you must have authorization from the copyright owner.

You omitted the next sentence of the TOS:
Any content you post on a Monroe Publishing Co. website must be your original work, or you must have authorization from the copyright owner. If you post content from another source, please include a link back to the original content.
http://www.monroepublishing.com/terms/
That would make your contention dishonest at best and quite possibly violated the TOS

Flaming (Insulting Other Users)
Posts clearly insulting, calling out, provoking or harassing other board members, individually or as a group, directly or indirectly, are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to: Name-calling ("You're an idiot", "You moron") Direct insults ("Screw you") Offensive orders ("Go kill yourself") Insinuations ("Are you stupid or something?") or insults towards family ("Your mom...")
Trolling (Inciting Flames)
Posts intended solely to annoy and/or offend other posters by going against the clear nature of a board or topic are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to:
Provoking other users to respond with flames
Constant bickering/arguing
Making misleading topic titles
Asking obviously useless questions
Posting false information as fact
http://www.monroepublishing.com/terms/

The main point is that nothing you've presented entitles you to offer legal advice and minding your own business would seem like a sensible course of action but whether or not you have any sense remains to be seen.

[excelsior]

I haven't bullied anyone....I'm merely responding to his constant barrage of attacks.

And I have no idea what the does for a living or what his area of expertise is...he hasn't answered my repeated questions.

The assumption you speak of wasn't that factory workers were uneducated but more that a competent attorney would more likely be practicing their profession in places other than factories.

As I alluded to earlier, it wouldn't be wise to seek the advice about an engine overhaul from someone just because they were experts at driving.

Anonymous legal advice has zero value.

The guy has an agenda and while he is still trolling, he has failed in my opinion.

His only accomplishment that I can see is that he ingratiated himself to those of his right-wing ilk.

Every time a right-winger comes out of hiding raising a stink as he has, it seems more often than not, right-wing cheerleaders like you are attracted like flies on s**t.

Yes I often step in that pile of doo but I doubt anyone really cares if a few flies get stepped on in the process.

Please explain why my occupation or education are relevant to any statements that I have made.

You continue to state that I am a "right-winger".  Please present the political statements that I have made that support your claim.

Legal advice is the giving of a formal opinion.   You claim that I offered you legal advice.   Please present my statements that I have made that I provided legal opinion to you.   

I do not believe that I have attacked you directly, only your statements that lack fidelity

[Professor H]

BTW, I saw your mug printed in the comment section Sunday and I owe you an apology....the huge physical size of your head would indicate it should contain more matter than I've ever given you credit for.

Not that I ever considered you to be as dumb as a box of rocks....but the constituents of district 2 that voted for you are another matter.   

Only fools vote for republicans.

Thats funny - as I don't recall my "mug" being taken.

I sent Fry a PM when I first joined the forum as he was a senior member and I thought it would be beneficial to meet with a senior member.
He refused the invite - and every now and then since he knows who I am - thinks it cute to get personal...   I suppose if I was really interested in who he is, i could ask a few members - but it's not really on my to do list 

His real disdain is because i won't bow down to his tactics, and call him out when he starts using them to excess on others.   

Luckily I've met other members in the forum, and overall have enjoyed the lively debates and discussions.   

Now as to my election history since he thinks it's a measure:
I've been elected 3 terms School Board (12 years of service to my community),
2 maybe 3 terms as Constable (long time ago),
withdrew from one election for Supervisor,
and lost in my recent bid for commissioner.
I have actually participated in the process!
 
Nothing wrong with trying - and not making it - in fact i would encourage others to try as we definitely can use new "blood" and ideas in our various local politics!   

[Skittelroo]

Excelsior, feel free to offer me your free advice anytime if it keeps me from making myself look foolish

Professor, congratulations on your political/community accomplishments.  I can't say we will always agree on things, but I find myself respecting your words quite often. 

Wish we could keep these posts interesting for everyone ... 

[excelsior]

Thats funny - as I don't recall my "mug" being taken.

I sent Fry a PM when I first joined the forum as he was a senior member and I thought it would be beneficial to meet with a senior member.
He refused the invite - and every now and then since he knows who I am - thinks it cute to get personal...   I suppose if I was really interested in who he is, i could ask a few members - but it's not really on my to do list 

His real disdain is because i won't bow down to his tactics, and call him out when he starts using them to excess on others.   

Luckily I've met other members in the forum, and overall have enjoyed the lively debates and discussions.   

Now as to my election history since he thinks it's a measure:
I've been elected 3 terms School Board (12 years of service to my community),
2 maybe 3 terms as Constable (long time ago),
withdrew from one election for Supervisor,
and lost in my recent bid for commissioner.
I have actually participated in the process!
 
Nothing wrong with trying - and not making it - in fact i would encourage others to try as we definitely can use new "blood" and ideas in our various local politics!

Thanks for your public service.  I have thought about entering the process later in life when I have more time to give.   

He does add some levity to these boards.  This "senior" member posts that he is not a bully, but minutes later posts calling you names.   

This aggressive behavior appears to be consistent with an unsupervised adolescence.  I think restraint is the key with dealing with him due to the presumably young age.

[lordfly]

I'm reasonably sure FF is anything but young.

[Professor H]

Excelsior, feel free to offer me your free advice anytime if it keeps me from making myself look foolish

Professor, congratulations on your political/community accomplishments.  I can't say we will always agree on things, but I find myself respecting your words quite often. 

Wish we could keep these posts interesting for everyone ... 

This would be a dull place if everyone agreed on everything, It's always good to have various viewpoints - even those from Fry, as long as they remain civil.

Always time to learn - as I'm currently taking an online course to help develop online classes for Madonna University.   
I'm sure copywrite issues will come up (as I will raise it - LOL) 
specifically the issues of proper use and documentation for scholastic papers and research. 

[Skittelroo]

This would be a dull place if everyone agreed on everything, It's always good to have various viewpoints - even those from Fry, as long as they remain civil.

Absolutely!  I only wish Fry would offer his own words more often.  Those are what I tend to pay more attention to. 

I was the oldest gal in many college classes I took..and it was actually fun going back!