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[ducksoup]

What a load of BS duck. Twist in the wind a bit more. I never told anyone to shut the **** up as you suggest. I simply think the media attention to this is overblown and led to a whole bunch of emotional demands that the desire for Zim to be punished overrides the process of the Laws of the State of Florida. If the media really wanted investigation they could have easily just taken their concerns to the Feds quietly insted of getting everyone all lathered up, especially people like you who have no real touch on the reality of the case only the emotional crap the media and great Americans like Al Sharpton have fed you. The media Sharpton and the people who he has twisted in an emotional tizzy (people like yourself) have no intention of wantoing a REAL investigation, you want street justice on your terms. Then... on to the next overblow incident that will allow you to be on the right side of cultural desires.

And again you cited nothing. Your posts was intended only to try and start another war with me... and it was blatantly false and misleading. Good Day!

Well, I thought I was being nice by not quoting again after Fluffy pointed it out already WITH A DIRECT QUOTE.

As for my characterization that you are saying STFU, maybe it is an exaggeration, but not a distortion.  You did the exact same thing again in that response.  You claim that the media and posters here are being emotional and should shut up and let the law do its thing (now that there IS an investigation).  I don’t know if some have called for “punishment” rather than “justice” but suppose it is possible. 

The media wants you to watch their advertising, not silently advance legal issues behind the scenes.  I can safely say that I have not read anything by Sharpton as you accuse.  I admit, however, that everything I have know about it has been through the media, because I was not there.  I further have to make a wild guess that you were not there either and coincidentally have gotten your information through that same - oh, so horrible, media.

The media Sharpton and the people who he has twisted in an emotional tizzy (people like yourself) have no intention of wantoing a REAL investigation, you want street justice on your terms

 
Cite it.  I have repeatedly stated that he was not going to be charged and the media attention has reopened the case and now there is an investigation.  I find it an interesting case, and personally believe that he will not be charged.  That is not emotional, just my opinion.   I have not even once “demanded” that Zimmerman be punished.  As far as accusing me of wanting to lynch him rather than want the legal system to work... prove it, cite it.  I can show where I have said I WANT the legal system to work and not be preemptively stopped on the night of the incident because he claimed SYG. 

Now, I do have problems with the law SYG, but that is not the discussion, as it seems that posters are nit-picking what the media said or didn’t say that this person or that did or didn’t say seems far more important.

insted of getting everyone all lathered up, especially people like you who have no real touch on the reality of the case only the emotional crap the media and great Americans like Al Sharpton have fed you.

  Cite that too.  I believe I have not been emotional, and especially have not reflected  “people like you who have no real touch on the reality of the case”.  Cite where I have regurgitated what Al Sharpton has said, whatever that is, and just how you know what I think, without having said anything of the kind.

posts was intended only to try and start another war with me... and it was blatantly false and misleading.

You made a statement that the media should stay out and the law would handle it.  All I did was explain that it had.  The investigation was OVER, you had what you wanted, the law said no investigation.  The media, that you decry, simply got the case opened to actually really be investigated.  I can agree that speaking simply about a legal case the media is NOW overdoing it.  But, that is how the media works to make them money.  That is not false, nor is it “blatantly false”.  I will accept that referring to you saying STFU was an exaggeration; it was not “misleading”.

[ducksoup]

You are welcome to your impressions, but your baiting is tiresome.

Thank you, that was big of you.  But, I would like to know why you believe I misused "above" and express that I meant "avoid" when I did not. 

Also, would you provide the description of "baiting' as you use it, because I thought that I was answering a direct question.  My terminology does not equate answering a question to "baiting".

[jbs49238]

So I guess my question is, do you believe that anything would have happened to Mr. Zimmerman if it had not been reported by the media?

My answer is I don't know.  My question to you is: Is it better to handle matters of law by bringing in other agencies, or invoking emotion from a half informed public?  In other words is this better handled by asking a Federal Agency to intervene and investigate FIRST or getting the public stirred up into a tizzy first  THEN FORCING the hand of a Federal Agency to investigate?

Honestly... think about the answer.  What happens given all the hype and emotion the media and those WHORRING around within it have stirred is coupled with a not guilty verdict... or worse... the investigation results still in no charges?  Whose responsibility is it when the riots break out?  Sharpton will have left town, the media will only be coving the loitering thugs.... who will be responsible when the reaction to the final legal decision is not what the ATTENTION WHORES has promised?

What the media wanted was not an investigation into justice, they wanted a stroy, a public outcry... and they got it, whether accurate or not they got what they wanted.  They could have just as easily tipped off the DOJ and FBI with a phone call. 

[jbs49238]

Well, I thought I was being nice by not quoting again after Fluffy pointed it out already WITH A DIRECT QUOTE.

As for my characterization that you are saying STFU, maybe it is an exaggeration, but not a distortion.  You did the exact same thing again in that response.  You claim that the media and posters here are being emotional and should shut up and let the law do its thing (now that there IS an investigation).  I don’t know if some have called for “punishment” rather than “justice” but suppose it is possible. 

The media wants you to watch their advertising, not silently advance legal issues behind the scenes.  I can safely say that I have not read anything by Sharpton as you accuse.  I admit, however, that everything I have know about it has been through the media, because I was not there.  I further have to make a wild guess that you were not there either and coincidentally have gotten your information through that same - oh, so horrible, media.
 
Cite it.  I have repeatedly stated that he was not going to be charged and the media attention has reopened the case and now there is an investigation.  I find it an interesting case, and personally believe that he will not be charged.  That is not emotional, just my opinion.   I have not even once “demanded” that Zimmerman be punished. As far as accusing me of wanting to lynch him rather than want the legal system to work... prove it, cite it.  I can show where I have said I WANT the legal system to work and not be preemptively stopped on the night of the incident because he claimed SYG. 

Now, I do have problems with the law SYG, but that is not the discussion, as it seems that posters are nit-picking what the media said or didn’t say that this person or that did or didn’t say seems far more important.
  Cite that too.  I believe I have not been emotional, and especially have not reflected  “people like you who have no real touch on the reality of the case”.  Cite where I have regurgitated what Al Sharpton has said, whatever that is, and just how you know what I think, without having said anything of the kind.


You made a statement that the media should stay out and the law would handle it.  All I did was explain that it had.  The investigation was OVER, you had what you wanted, the law said no investigation.  The media, that you decry, simply got the case opened to actually really be investigated.  I can agree that speaking simply about a legal case the media is NOW overdoing it.  But, that is how the media works to make them money.  That is not false, nor is it “blatantly false”.  I will accept that referring to you saying STFU was an exaggeration; it was not “misleading”.

You know duck... all I have to do is puruse any of your posts and I quickly find a false statement EVERY TIME.

Note the BOLD... I never said, insisted, implied, suggested, eluded to, or hinted at,  ANY OF THAT... EVER!  LYNCH?!?!?!?! REALLY!!! GET THE DUCK OVER YOURSELF!!!!

You LIED yet again.

After I see this crap the rest of your posts become like the adults in the Charlie Brown episodes..... WAP WAP WAHHH WAP A WAP WAP WAHHHHH....

Good Day.

[jbs49238]

You are equating my term "avoid" to the term "above".   These words have very different defintions, but you interchange them as if they are synonyms.

You also exhibited this behavior referring to me and Red Wing.

Don't worry excelsior, duck will make YOUR words into whatever HE NEEDS them to be at every opportunity where it benefits a statement he wants to make.  Doesn't matter if you actually said it or not.  He will also say that "you said he said" very particular things that you never came close to saying... just so he can play the martyr.

I was unaware he had pulled out the Fry card of accusing you of being someone else as well....  guess I missed that one, but hey... another great trick if you can get away with it.

[Monique]

I think it isn't just one side of this issue that the media has successfully stirred into a 'tizzy.' Such drama!!

How's about we steer clear of the personal attacks and get back to the topic, huh?

[Baggins]

So I guess my question is, do you believe that anything would have happened to Mr. Zimmerman if it had not been reported by the media?

Without the rest of the nations knowledge, I doubt it...And I'm starting to wonder if we all needed to know in the first place...


A lot more information has come to light and I'm not sure what to think of it myself anymore...That's why I've tried to tone down my opinion.

A loss of life by any other human being is a horrible thing, but there are so many details that most of us just don't know in this case.  Law enforcement works off of facts and the rest of the population works off of emotions...Emotions do not dictate (or at least shouldn't) the way law enforcement works...Most of the people screaming for justice are nothing more than a lynch mob without all the facts.

I thought I knew what the deal was, but I'm not so sure now...Trayvon is turning out to be not such a sweet innocent kid and Zimmerman isn't so much the racist madman the media has portrayed.

[Monique]

I agree that as new information comes to light, the whole picture changes. And it's hard to tell what's real information and what isn't.

Regarding public opinion influencing this situation's outcome, the public was outraged at Casey Anthony; she walked. The public was outraged at OJ Simpson; he walked. I don't think the law bows to public opinion as much as we might think.

[Baggins]

I agree that as new information comes to light, the whole picture changes. And it's hard to tell what's real information and what isn't.

Regarding public opinion influencing this situation's outcome, the public was outraged at Casey Anthony; she walked. The public was outraged at OJ Simpson; he walked. I don't think the law bows to public opinion as much as we might think.

Good point...I was as sure as the Sun rises that woman would have been found guilty, but her "peers" chose otherwise regarless of public out cry or the "facts" released by the press.

[Frenchfry]

I agree that as new information comes to light, the whole picture changes. And it's hard to tell what's real information and what isn't.

Regarding public opinion influencing this situation's outcome, the public was outraged at Casey Anthony; she walked. The public was outraged at OJ Simpson; he walked. I don't think the law bows to public opinion as much as we might think.

Check this out:

"In the new book "O.J. Is Innocent and I Can Prove It," author-investigator William C. Dear asserts that he knows who killed Nicole Brown Simpson. As you can guess from the title, he believes it was not O.J. Simpson: He claims it was Jason Simpson, the former football star's son...".

O.J. Simpson Is Innocent According To New Book

[Frenchfry]

Don't worry excelsior, duck will make YOUR words into whatever HE NEEDS them to be at every opportunity where it benefits a statement he wants to make.  Doesn't matter if you actually said it or not.  He will also say that "you said he said" very particular things that you never came close to saying... just so he can play the martyr.

I was unaware he had pulled out the Fry card of accusing you of being someone else as well....  guess I missed that one, but hey... another great trick if you can get away with it.

It amazes me that you cannot see that what you're doing is projecting.

YOU are the frequent offender when it comes to purposely twisting the words of others.

And I imagine your retort will include the usual personal attacks and other nonsense typical of an irrational guy with obvious anger issues.

I suspect you've been working in cahoots with other MT members to further an agenda...perhaps with relatives....noticed you've been reading from the same playbook...but that's neither here nor there...just my observation and unfortunately will most likely just feed your insatiable need to attack.

[Frenchfry]

Arrest George Zimmerman for Trayvon Martin Shooting - Poll

[Frenchfry]

Black anchors covering the Trayvon Martin shooting and sharing their personal stories of profiling and racism "can only hurt their credibility" according to Fox News contributor Liz Trotta. Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur break down this absurd commentary on The Young Turks.

Black Anchors on Trayvon Martin a Bad Idea - Liz Trotta on Fox News

[Frenchfry]

Cenk talks to two eyewitnesses in the Trayvon Martin shooting, Mary Cutcher and Selma Lamilla.

Travyon Martin shooting witness says Zimmerman never wiped blood from his allegedly broken nose

[Frenchfry]

Current TV morning host Bill Press joins Jennifer Granholm in The War Room to talk about the right wing smear campaign against Trayvon Martin, and about why progressives aren't as good at the "message machine" or creating balance on talk radio. Who is behind the attack on Trayvon Martin's image? Press says it's the NRA, ALEC and the Koch brothers.

Bill Press talks Trayvon smear campaign, right wing message machine