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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #120 on: April 02, 2012, 03:44:21 PM »

You 'don't care' that a person lost his life?? Aren't you EMT or a firefighter or something like that?? I find *that* disturbing.

jbs, I'm not sure if you're just trying to pick an argument with me or what, but I didn't at all intimate that your opinion was not valid or welcome. You came into this thread with guns ablazin' (no pun intended), and I'm simply responding.

My whole position on this story is that the SYG law is at fault. Everyone knows who killed Martin. If it wasn't for that, Zim would already be in jail, and you agree that he will likely go to jail. Are you saying that all of the people who are outraged at this stupid, redneck law that allows Floridians to kill people as long as they feel justified in claiming personal safety are just 'attention whores'?  8*

I entirely disagree that people want the system to be changed for this one instance. They want it to change because that law is idiotic and obviously dangerous, and it has proven itself as such. The law must be removed, and Zimmerman must be punished for killing an unarmed person. 

I think YOU COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT and ONLY want to argue.

You said you entirely disagree that people don't want to process changed but then turn and argue the whole problem is the law (ie the process).

The LAW is not the problem.... proving Zimmerman acted outside of the law IS.

I couldn't care less about the media hype and the stupidity it actions and emotions it has evoked out of people who are involved and also HIGHLY UNINVOLVED.  Once the people like you who are frothing at the mouth would just step back and let the process work AS IT SHOULD and stop letting media influence how you feel about this case, then maybe we can get proper justice for Trayvon... MY ENTIRE POINT is this:  If authorities act too quickly against Zimmerman mistakes will be made and he could go completely free, and THAT would be an even bigger catastrophe than the killing itself.

Also read.... I NEVER said I thought he was guilty of murder!  NEVER!!  I said he probably could be convicted of manslaughter and it sounds to me that the FACTS in this case will produce that result.  That is of course if people like you will let FACTS determine the outcome.

Now stop arguing with me just to argue with me, turn off the cable news and go outside and enjoy the day.  The media has you all worked into a tizzy.

As far as your assertion that I STARTED THIS:  Go back and reflect... I said Zim was probably guilty of manslaughter and that I couldn't care less about the circus the ATTENTION WHORES AND MEDIA have created.  I said to let the process work.... YOU LIT THE POWDER KEG.
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #121 on: April 02, 2012, 04:13:15 PM »

I think YOU COMPLETELY MISSED MY POINT and ONLY want to argue.

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Now stop arguing with me just to argue with me, turn off the cable news and go outside and enjoy the day.  The media has you all worked into a tizzy.
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #122 on: April 02, 2012, 05:03:20 PM »

Well I wasn't going to continue with you anyway.  Way to light the wick and then walk away and act surprised that there was an explosion... you could work in the news industry... LOL!

Not playing... lulz... you started the game.  I will have a pleasant afternoon thanks.
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #123 on: April 02, 2012, 06:42:01 PM »

At least President Clinton agrees with me! lol

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Clinton said "people have always had a right to have a handgun in their home- to protect their homes- then we've seen this breathtaking expansion of the concealed weapons laws in America moving from the late 90's into this decade, far - if you will - to the extreme that America had ever been on these.

"And now the Stand Your Ground law," he continued. "I think the law is going to create real problems because anyone can - anyone who doesn't have a criminal background, anyone not prohibited by the Brady Bill and caught by the checks - can basically be a part of a neighborhood watch where they have a concealed weapon whether they had proper law enforcement training or not. And whether they've had any experience in conflict situations with people or not.

"So I hope this will lead to a reappraisal of the Stand Your Ground laws," President Clinton said, "and I hope that the truth will come out and that the tragedy of this young man's loss will not be in vain- it's just terrible. Whatever the facts were - all these people trying to jump on him and talking about some mistake he made in his life- that's irrelevant because unarmed person who was killed on the street by a gun. And so I hope justice will be done in this case but I hope that the larger justice that would somehow redeem a portion of this terrible loss."

He said: "the American people should re-examine their position on that and ask: Is this really worth it? Are we really all that much safer taking the chance that this kind of thing could happen over and over and over again?"


http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/president-clinton-hopes-trayvon-martin-case-leads-reappraisal-111305679--abc-news-politics.html
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #124 on: April 02, 2012, 07:32:03 PM »


The LAW is not the problem.... proving Zimmerman acted outside of the law IS.

Well, daaa.  The contention is that this LAW is what is being used (SYG) by calling it self defense.  I find it troubling that the lead Detective on the scene recommended he be charged with manslaughter but the Police Chief and DA arrived and said that there would be no charges made.  If things went as you want, that is where it would stay.  No investigation or questions, he just walks.  The media “hype” as you call it changed it to having an investigation now.  That does not mean he will be charged or not, but at least now there will be an investigation.  So, the LAW is a problem because if it is invoked then there is no investigation and no charges, oh, and no possible recourse in another court as the law prevents them being sued too.
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #125 on: April 02, 2012, 08:35:47 PM »

It still hasn't been proven that Zimmerman was standing his ground and then just shot the kid.  A number of reports indicate that Zimmerman lost track of Martin. And then the next incident it appears Martin might have attacked Zimmerman.  Just another twist to what might have happened. 
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #126 on: April 02, 2012, 09:13:19 PM »

It still hasn't been proven that Zimmerman was standing his ground and then just shot the kid.  A number of reports indicate that Zimmerman lost track of Martin. And then the next incident it appears Martin might have attacked Zimmerman.  Just another twist to what might have happened.
What are you smoking? My guess is that it's spiked with something hallucinogenic.

Look at the official police report:
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-03/69081607-29132322.pdf

Your version of events is completely false.

That moronic SYG law was unnecessary.....self-defense has always sufficed.

The guy killed a kid for merely walking down the street.

Zim had a the power of a gun and it went to his head.

Let's face it....otherwise he'd be a coward....not unlike most gun advocates.
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Sanford police detective Chris Serino, unconvinced by Zimmerman's story of self-defense, wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but was overruled by the prosecutor.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/02/us-usa-florida-shooting-prosecutor-idUSBRE83116420120402

Via The LA Times: "Officers marched a handcuffed George Zimmerman into Sanford, Fla., police headquarters the night he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, and video from security cameras picked up no obvious sign of injury to the neighborhood watch volunteer..."
George Zimmerman Video Analysis

The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #128 on: April 02, 2012, 09:51:30 PM »

The discovery process is still on going, but some folks cannot wait for facts to make a decision.   Remember the Duke Lacrosse team?

Trayvon Martin: Enhanced Zimmerman video shows possible head wound

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-video-zimmerman-enhanced-20120402_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-shooting-original-video

By Jeff Weiner

In the twisting and turning controversy surrounding the Trayvon Martin shooting, even evidence that appeared to support one side last week can tell a different story this week.

A newly enhanced version of surveillance video from the night the teenager was shot in Sanford more clearly shows a possible gash or injury on the back of shooter George Zimmerman's head.


ABC News on Monday debuted the new video in which an apparent wound of some kind can be seen on Zimmerman's head when he turns away from the camera.

The video is an enhanced version of surveillance tape released by the Sanford Police Department last week. It shows Zimmerman being taken into SPD headquarters after the shooting.

Though legal experts downplayed its importance at the time of its release, the video was taken as evidence that Zimmerman had exaggerated or falsified his self-defense claim.

Zimmerman told investigators in the case that the South Florida teen attacked him, punched him to the ground and slammed his head into the pavement in the moments before he fired the fatal shot.

At ABC News' request, the video was enhanced by Forensic Protection Inc., a California video- and audio-enhancement firm.

(click on link for complete story)

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-video-zimmerman-enhanced-20120402_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-shooting-original-video
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #129 on: April 02, 2012, 10:02:12 PM »

What are you smoking? My guess is that it's spiked with something hallucinogenic.

Look at the official police report:
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-03/69081607-29132322.pdf

Your version of events is completely false.

That moronic SYG law was unnecessary.....self-defense has always sufficed.

The guy killed a kid for merely walking down the street.

Zim had a the power of a gun and it went to his head.

Let's face it....otherwise he'd be a coward....not unlike most gun advocates.
Via The LA Times: "Officers marched a handcuffed George Zimmerman into Sanford, Fla., police headquarters the night he shot and killed Trayvon Martin, and video from security cameras picked up no obvious sign of injury to the neighborhood watch volunteer..."
George Zimmerman Video Analysis

The voice heard crying for help on a 911 call just before Trayvon Martin was shot to death was not that of George Zimmerman, according to two forensic voice identification experts
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say

The police report that was released was a partial report.   There is nothing in that report that indicates if Mr. Zimmerman attacked Mr. Martin or if Mr. Martin attacked Mr. Zimmerman.

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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #130 on: April 02, 2012, 10:08:20 PM »

Perhaps a self-inflicted wound to bolster his story.

The enhanced video does not show any injury to Zimmerman's nose, nor any blood on his shirt.

The Miami funeral director who prepared Trayvon’s body for burial said the teenager had no bruising on his knuckles or any other sign that he had been in a brawl

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/enhanced-video-shows-zimmerman-head-wound-trayvon-scuffle-abc-article-1.1054625#ixzz1qwGhHuBB

Look how big Zim is compared to the lightweight kid....it's clear Zim was the aggressor...and the screaming supports that assertion.
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« Reply #131 on: April 02, 2012, 10:13:44 PM »

I was so impressed when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton came to Detroit to protest the killing of an innocent two-year-old By "random" gunfire. Oh, wait...
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« Reply #132 on: April 02, 2012, 10:16:48 PM »

Perhaps a self-inflicted wound to bolster his story.

The enhanced video does not show any injury to Zimmerman's nose, nor any blood on his shirt.

The Miami funeral director who prepared Trayvon’s body for burial said the teenager had no bruising on his knuckles or any other sign that he had been in a brawl

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/enhanced-video-shows-zimmerman-head-wound-trayvon-scuffle-abc-article-1.1054625#ixzz1qwGhHuBB

Look how big Zim is compared to the lightweight kid....it's clear Zim was the aggressor...and the screaming supports that assertion.
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Re: Shooting mystery: Miami-Dade teen killed by a crime watch captain
« Reply #133 on: April 02, 2012, 10:19:37 PM »

I was so impressed when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton came to Detroit to protest the killing of an innocent two-year-old By "random" gunfire. Oh, wait...

Perhaps they are too busy writing their apologies for their prejudging the Duke Lacrosse team because their apologies are still pending.
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« Reply #134 on: April 02, 2012, 10:20:16 PM »

The white right-wing MT members are sure concerned about the right to kill blacks at will.

One would think the natural desire for justice would overcome their prejudice and they'd consider simply that a human being was gunned down for nothing but no....the gun nuts and racists are teaming up to defend the wrongdoing.

Good ole Monroetucky....land of the bigoted inbreds.
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