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[Professor H]

So whats the view on women's opportunities and pay?

Is socialized birth control the issue, or jobs and pay (equality)?

Are senior staffers and advisers similar to the problems the NFL experienced a few years back, where the insiders get recycled and its hard to work your way into the "inner circle" predominately white males.
The NFL put an interview mandate in to at least get interviews for blacks for key positions and it is slowly working there...

We see Obama's staff following the same pattern (yes probably all former Presidents as well), higher pay men, lower pay women.

Should political parties review and institute a similar measure?

[lordfly]

I'm sure it is when it comes from a socialist's point of view.

United Soviet Socialist Republic

Again, Republics are completely evil.


BTW, your narrow-minded view of Socialism's a hoot. What do you think social security, medicaid, and unemployment insurance are?

[Professor H]

What do you think social security, medicaid, and unemployment insurance are?

Evil Democrat programs of course...   

just kidding - we need to fund them however

[Frenchfry]

It's ironic the right-wingers are shouting socialism in a topic about gender pay inequality.

It seems to me that demanding equal pay for all jobs while disregarding job classifications and educational attainment is in itself a socialistic plank.

Clearly blue and the OP has been influenced by the right-wing media since they mentioned the association between Ms Rosen and Anita Dunn.

Ms Dunn said Fox News is opinion journalism masquerading as news and Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party.

Following her statements, Fox News host Glenn Beck played on his show a portion of a speech Dunn gave at a high school graduation, during which she referenced Mao Zedong and Mother Teresa as two of her "favorite political philosophers." Beck stated that the speech revealed Dunn as a Maoist, while Dunn stated that her reference was meant to be ironic, and was a quote borrowed from Republican strategist Lee Atwater.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Dunn

The reality is Ms Dunn has nothing to do with the subject....in fact, Ms Rosen has nothing to do with the White House and the fabricated story about pay inequality makes no difference whatsoever.

President Obama has consistently made clear that he will strive to lead the most open, efficient, and accountable government in history. Over the last two years, new initiatives have increased public participation in government and improved citizens' everyday lives.

White House Salaries
Since 1995, the White House has been required to deliver a report to Congress listing the title and salary of every White House Office employee.  Consistent with President Obama's commitment to transparency, this report is being publicly disclosed on our website as it is transmitted to Congress.  In addition, this report also contains the title and salary details of administration officials who work at the Office of Policy Development, including the Domestic Policy Council and the National Economic Council -- along with White House Office employees.
View the searchable table below:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/21stcenturygov/tools/salaries

[Professor H]

The reality is Ms Dunn has nothing to do with the subject....in fact, Ms Rosen has nothing to do with the White House and the fabricated story about pay inequality makes no difference whatsoever.

President Obama has consistently made clear that he will strive to lead the most open, efficient, and accountable government in history. Over the last two years, new initiatives have increased public participation in government and improved citizens' everyday lives.

Not sure if these are your words...   

Dismissing someones (Rosen) words when they were on TV and it can be shown over and over is like trying to take back something you put down in writing - It can't be done.  You should know that well by now 

The apology was 2 days later, and contrite, and now you claim it wasn't necessary because someone was rich? 

Pay at the Whitehouse is what it is...  and females don't get the choice positions because of the good ole boy network - not a republican/democrat issue but one that has been around for a long time in certain sectors.

Are all the bills posted to the Whitehouse website for 5 days prior to the President signing them???  or was that just a promise to be more open and efficient while campaigning.   

[Frenchfry]

Not sure if these are your words...   

Dismissing someones (Rosen) words when they were on TV and it can be shown over and over is like trying to take back something you put down in writing - It can't be done.  You should know that well by now 

The apology was 2 days later, and contrite, and now you claim it wasn't necessary because someone was rich? 

Pay at the Whitehouse is what it is...  and females don't get the choice positions because of the good ole boy network - not a republican/democrat issue but one that has been around for a long time in certain sectors.

Are all the bills posted to the Whitehouse website for 5 days prior to the President signing them???  or was that just a promise to be more open and efficient while campaigning.   

Why does it matter whether they're my words or not?

And more importantly, how exactly can Obama be blamed for an opinion from a RIAA lobbyist?

You've omitted the first part of my post so it bears repeating:

It's ironic the right-wingers are shouting socialism in a topic about gender pay inequality.

It seems to me that demanding equal pay for all jobs while disregarding job classifications and educational attainment is in itself a socialistic plank.

The truth is....you righties cry wolf for everything and this campaign is the weakest pathetic attempt of them all.

One word can easily describe it.....FAIL.

[SMASH]

North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Democratic "People's" Republic of What?

Wow, that's a good one! What a hoot!

Obviously, democracies , republics, and people are evil.

Democracies for sure are evil! Unless you're in the majority, then they're way cool.
Republics are evil? Not so much. The Ideal of a Republic is great it's the people in it that eff it up. Mostly out of greed and ignorance. Then a Republic like ours used to be turns into a Democracy and the thing takes a crap.
People are evil? Oh hell yes they're evil. Take a look around.

[Baby Hitler]

Mitt Romney: Mothers Should Be Required To Work Outside Home Or Lose Benefits

with video at link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/15/mitt-romney-mothers-welfare-moms_n_1426113.html

[Professor H]

Why does it matter whether they're my words or not?

And more importantly, how exactly can Obama be blamed for an opinion from a RIAA lobbyist?

It was hard to tell where the cited source began was all I was asking. Doesn't really matter other than a point made by your or the author?

How can Obama be blamed for a connection with a person that he's met with several times and has apparently a pipeline connection with 35+ visits to the Whitehouse?

Easy - she had access, private visits, met with his campaign adviser...  there is a relationship.
If you deny that - then you are just claiming "facts don't really matter"

[Professor H]

Mitt Romney: Mothers Should Be Required To Work Outside Home Or Lose Benefits

Interesting twist on the topic.

Here's the sentence from your source:

Poor women who stay at home to raise their children should be given federal assistance for child care so that they can enter the job market and "have the dignity of work," Mitt Romney said in January

Romney's advisor pointed out:

 "Moving welfare recipients into work was one of the basic principles of the bipartisan welfare reform legislation that President Clinton signed into law..."

Not all stay at home mom's are on Government Assistance...  that's the difference.

So are you saying that now it's the preference of Obama supporters/Democrats to keep people on assistance as long as they have children?   
Isn't that the perpetuation of dependency that Clinton's legislation was attempting to break?

Don't take my word for it - how about Clinton's own words:

By BILL CLINTON
Published: August 22, 2006
TEN years ago today I signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. By then I had long been committed to welfare reform. As a governor, I oversaw a workfare experiment in Arkansas in 1980 and represented the National Governors Association in working with Congress and the Reagan administration to draft the welfare reform bill enacted in 1988.

Yet when I ran for president in 1992, our system still was not working for the taxpayers or for those it was intended to help. In my first State of the Union address, I promised to “end welfare as we know it,” to make welfare a second chance, not a way of life, exactly the change most welfare recipients wanted it to be.

rest of article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html

[Baby Hitler]

Interesting twist on the topic.

Here's the sentence from your source:

Poor women who stay at home to raise their children should be given federal assistance for child care so that they can enter the job market and "have the dignity of work," Mitt Romney said in January

Dignity of work? So, if they don't have a job, they don't have dignity? How do you think his wife would feel about that?

[FritzTheKat]

Who needs dignity, if your husband's rolling in cash?

[Baggins]

Why, exactly, is "socialist" a bad word?

This is something I've pondered myself...I think it's a guilt by association type thing.


The Nazi's, as in their Nationalist Socialist Party is a poor choice to use as an example because Nazi German was a fascist dictatorship (a budding empire with a brand new Cesar) with little to do with the socialistic system...THEY might have labled it socialism, but that doesn't make it so.  The Nazi's were far more militaristic and ritualistic than anything else (like a mass cult). Not to mention they used slave labor which is quite the opposite of socialistic thinking.  They swore an oath of loyalty to one man and an idealistic regime not to a nation or for the good of it's peoples.

Russia...?   No, they were Communist (again, socialism is the label they've chosen)...Which is a lot closer to what German was in reality.


Socialism, or socialistic ideas and programs are used today in this country and most don't even realize or understand the real concept. I kind of see socialism as a political form of compassion, when used right...

[ussoccer26]

Baggins, that was my point though. All those "socialist" parties started off with good intentions, claiming to fix class warfare but what happened? History dictates what socialists do when they come to power, and it's never seemed to be good.

As far as a society, such as our own, who uses certain socialistic programs, I have no real problem with that. Some people really do need help and they use it properly, but some people strive for less when they are still sucking on the government's tit and can't get off it.

[Professor H]

Dignity of work? So, if they don't have a job, they don't have dignity? How do you think his wife would feel about that?

Depends on your view of public assistance - as not all stay at home mom/dads are on assistance

If I were on it - I wouldn't as dignified as if I were able to provide for myself...

Maslows Hierarchy places work(safety) before dignity(Esteem) for a reason...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

President Clinton even realized that it was a system that self perpetuated dependency. 

Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/give-a-man-a-fish.html