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Re: Education
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2012, 01:11:13 PM »

The President of the National Education Association, Dennis Van Roekel, tells Bill that Mitt Romney, "doesn't understand what it takes to build an economy for the whole country." Van Roekel emphasizes the importance of "investing in the students of today." He says education is not like an "assembly line" and examines how cuts in education now will impact generations of young Americans.
The NEA is more about their members than about programs or education - don't get fooled by talk vs. actions.   

I've witnessed it firsthand at the local level seeing how the "county" MEA handled negotiations by patterned bargaining.
Given the opportunities to save staff or programs over getting a pay raise - what do you think they "vote" for? 

I'm not passing judgement on it - as that is their role of a union, provide the best for your members.   Just don't try to pass of their leaders comments as something meaning more than it really is - posturing.

Has the NEA accepted wage deflation like most other public unions have/or are facing?

IF education is not an assembly line (under the current teach to the test mandates) - what is it?   

Why does each and every student have to fit the same test/mold?

Its impossible to teach all students the same level and have success - thus you see our national test scores dropping.     Re-introduce vocational education and separate students so they can prepare for college, while the others prepare for productivity in life.
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2012, 09:35:59 PM »

The NEA is more about their members than about programs or education - don't get fooled by talk vs. actions.   

I've witnessed it firsthand at the local level seeing how the "county" MEA handled negotiations by patterned bargaining.
Given the opportunities to save staff or programs over getting a pay raise - what do you think they "vote" for? 

I'm not passing judgement on it - as that is their role of a union, provide the best for your members.   Just don't try to pass of their leaders comments as something meaning more than it really is - posturing.

Has the NEA accepted wage deflation like most other public unions have/or are facing?

IF education is not an assembly line (under the current teach to the test mandates) - what is it?   

Why does each and every student have to fit the same test/mold?

Its impossible to teach all students the same level and have success
- thus you see our national test scores dropping.     Re-introduce vocational education and separate students so they can prepare for college, while the others prepare for productivity in life.
It's clear that you either didn't watch the video or didn't understand the subject but no matter...I'll play along with one of my often repeated tunes.
Finland's education system well worth studying
Here is a country of five and a half million people and a public education system with no high profile comparison based standardised testing, fewer school hours than any other developed country and kids who enjoy more playtime within those school hours than might seem reasonable to us.

Teachers – who are compensated somewhere around the mid point in international comparisons of teacher salaries – are unionized, but not subject to external inspection or assessment.

National curricular guides are sometimes no longer than two or three pages. Teachers decide the what and the how of what they do in their classrooms: to teach.

A chaotic system headed for failure – right?

Well, apparently not. Beginning in 2001 and continuing to the present day, Finnish kids have been the stars of the 65-country Program for International Student Assessment (PISA).

Finnish kids routinely position their country’s school system in the top two in literacy, math and science.

In 2001, they placed first in all three categories.

In 2009, Finland placed 2nd, three points behind Korea and two points ahead of Canada. The U.S., meanwhile, placed 14th.

Finnish results for math in 2009 again placed them second to Korea with Canada 5th and the U.S.22nd.

The real surprise came in 2009 in science results with Finland 1st, ahead of Japan and Korea, with Canada 5th and the U.S. 17th.

This is why the Finnish education system has been the subject of more research over recent years than global warming.

The Finnish education system fascinates U.S. educators, frustrated by a testing heavy structure driven by the failed “No Child Left Behind” conservative political initiative which emphasizes comparison of test results state by state rather than excellence in teaching.

On the other hand, Canada’s PISA results could be attributed to more of a statistical difference than anything else.

Canada’s results are world class, and our kids do very well on the PISA tests.

But there are significant features of the Finnish education system which are well worth considering:

    Finnish children do not begin school until age seven. For the next nine years, they all attend public school. There are no private of charter schools in Finland.
    All Finnish children learn three languages: Finnish, Swedish and English.
    After age 16, students attend either a high school which leads some to university or a technical school which leads others to the trades.

Finnish schools recognize the fact (obvious to every parent everywhere) that children learn in different ways and at different rates. Individual differences are accommodated.

In fact, almost half of Finnish children receive individual “special” support with every teacher having received specific training during their teacher development programs.

There is no stigma attached to students receiving individual support. Class sizes average 20.

Every teacher in Finland has a Master’s degree with the top 10 per cent of university graduates going into teaching -- a profession which enjoys the same prestige as the legal and medical professions.

Only one in 10 applicants for teacher training is accepted. It is easier to get into a medical school.

Teachers are not externally assessed and enjoy what they describe as a trust relationship with their school-based administrators – all of whom do some teaching.

There are national assessments involving about 10 per cent of the student population with the results being focused on where additional support might be needed.



Finnish teachers are fully involved with students during the relatively short four-and-a-half hour instructional day. As one principal explained during a recent Dan Rather report, “It is important for the adults to be with the children and to intervene quickly, say in the case of teasing or bullying”.

Children arrive in their first schools at various stages of readiness emerging from a national culture which is described by Finnish Ministry of Education curriculum specialist Irmeli Halinen as “a reading culture”.

Seventy-five percent of Finns read a newspaper every day and the country has the highest rate of library usage in the developed world, with Finns checking out an average of 17 books a year.

Tempting as it is then, to idealise a school system which is based in a culture so different from our own, with less diversity and less poverty, the Finnish school system has emerged from the Finnish way of life based first in a philosophy about children that understands that children need to be allowed to be children and second that it is excellence in teaching, when all is said and done, which makes the difference.
http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blogs/new-education/finlands-education-system-well-worth-studying
Finland has the best education system in the world NBC
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Re: Education
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 06:41:51 AM »

It's clear that you either didn't watch the video or didn't understand the subject but no matter...I'll play along with one of my often repeated tunes.

I was commenting on your NEA topic  - didn't realize the NEA president was a supporter of Findlands educational system. Nice to know. ;D

I agree that we should take a page from their educational system, as they don't try to teach to a test and realize not all kids are going to college.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 11:47:36 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2012, 02:35:33 PM »

When touting the testing issue...please consider how the World knows of their educational attainment.....it's via TESTS!

What Americans Keep Ignoring About Finland's School Success

The Scandinavian country is an education superpower because it values equality more than excellence.

Everyone agrees the United States needs to improve its education system dramatically, but how? One of the hottest trends in education reform lately is looking at the stunning success of the West's reigning education superpower, Finland. Trouble is, when it comes to the lessons that Finnish schools have to offer, most of the discussion seems to be missing the point.

The small Nordic country of Finland used to be known -- if it was known for anything at all -- as the home of Nokia, the mobile phone giant. But lately Finland has been attracting attention on global surveys of quality of life -- Newsweek ranked it number one last year -- and Finland's national education system has been receiving particular praise, because in recent years Finnish students have been turning in some of the highest test scores in the world.

Finland's schools owe their newfound fame primarily to one study: the PISA survey, conducted every three years by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). The survey compares 15-year-olds in different countries in reading, math, and science. Finland has ranked at or near the top in all three competencies on every survey since 2000, neck and neck with superachievers such as South Korea and Singapore. In the most recent survey in 2009 Finland slipped slightly, with students in Shanghai, China, taking the best scores, but the Finns are still near the very top. Throughout the same period, the PISA performance of the United States has been middling, at best.

Compared with the stereotype of the East Asian model -- long hours of exhaustive cramming and rote memorization -- Finland's success is especially intriguing because Finnish schools assign less homework and engage children in more creative play. All this has led to a continuous stream of foreign delegations making the pilgrimage to Finland to visit schools and talk with the nation's education experts, and constant coverage in the worldwide media marveling at the Finnish miracle.

So there was considerable interest in a recent visit to the U.S. by one of the leading Finnish authorities on education reform, Pasi Sahlberg, director of the Finnish Ministry of Education's Center for International Mobility and author of the new book Finnish Lessons: What Can the World Learn from Educational Change in Finland? Earlier this month, Sahlberg stopped by the Dwight School in New York City to speak with educators and students, and his visit received national media attention and generated much discussion.

And yet it wasn't clear that Sahlberg's message was actually getting through. As Sahlberg put it to me later, there are certain things nobody in America really wants to talk about.

* * *

During the afternoon that Sahlberg spent at the Dwight School, a photographer from the New York Times jockeyed for position with Dan Rather's TV crew as Sahlberg participated in a roundtable chat with students. The subsequent article in the Times about the event would focus on Finland as an "intriguing school-reform model."

Yet one of the most significant things Sahlberg said passed practically unnoticed. "Oh," he mentioned at one point, "and there are no private schools in Finland."

This notion may seem difficult for an American to digest, but it's true. Only a small number of independent schools exist in Finland, and even they are all publicly financed. None is allowed to charge tuition fees. There are no private universities, either. This means that practically every person in Finland attends public school, whether for pre-K or a Ph.D.

The irony of Sahlberg's making this comment during a talk at the Dwight School seemed obvious. Like many of America's best schools, Dwight is a private institution that costs high-school students upward of $35,000 a year to attend -- not to mention that Dwight, in particular, is run for profit, an increasing trend in the U.S. Yet no one in the room commented on Sahlberg's statement. I found this surprising. Sahlberg himself did not.

Sahlberg knows what Americans like to talk about when it comes to education, because he's become their go-to guy in Finland. The son of two teachers, he grew up in a Finnish school. He taught mathematics and physics in a junior high school in Helsinki, worked his way through a variety of positions in the Finnish Ministry of Education, and spent years as an education expert at the OECD, the World Bank, and other international organizations.

Now, in addition to his other duties, Sahlberg hosts about a hundred visits a year by foreign educators, including many Americans, who want to know the secret of Finland's success. Sahlberg's new book is partly an attempt to help answer the questions he always gets asked.

From his point of view, Americans are consistently obsessed with certain questions: How can you keep track of students' performance if you don't test them constantly? How can you improve teaching if you have no accountability for bad teachers or merit pay for good teachers? How do you foster competition and engage the private sector? How do you provide school choice?

The answers Finland provides seem to run counter to just about everything America's school reformers are trying to do.

For starters, Finland has no standardized tests. The only exception is what's called the National Matriculation Exam, which everyone takes at the end of a voluntary upper-secondary school, roughly the equivalent of American high school.

Instead, the public school system's teachers are trained to assess children in classrooms using independent tests they create themselves. All children receive a report card at the end of each semester, but these reports are based on individualized grading by each teacher. Periodically, the Ministry of Education tracks national progress by testing a few sample groups across a range of different schools.

As for accountability of teachers and administrators, Sahlberg shrugs. "There's no word for accountability in Finnish," he later told an audience at the Teachers College of Columbia University. "Accountability is something that is left when responsibility has been subtracted."

For Sahlberg what matters is that in Finland all teachers and administrators are given prestige, decent pay, and a lot of responsibility. A master's degree is required to enter the profession, and teacher training programs are among the most selective professional schools in the country. If a teacher is bad, it is the principal's responsibility to notice and deal with it.

And while Americans love to talk about competition, Sahlberg points out that nothing makes Finns more uncomfortable. In his book Sahlberg quotes a line from Finnish writer named Samuli Paronen: "Real winners do not compete." It's hard to think of a more un-American idea, but when it comes to education, Finland's success shows that the Finnish attitude might have merits. There are no lists of best schools or teachers in Finland. The main driver of education policy is not competition between teachers and between schools, but cooperation.

Finally, in Finland, school choice is noticeably not a priority, nor is engaging the private sector at all. Which brings us back to the silence after Sahlberg's comment at the Dwight School that schools like Dwight don't exist in Finland.

"Here in America," Sahlberg said at the Teachers College, "parents can choose to take their kids to private schools. It's the same idea of a marketplace that applies to, say, shops. Schools are a shop and parents can buy what ever they want. In Finland parents can also choose. But the options are all the same."

Herein lay the real shocker. As Sahlberg continued, his core message emerged, whether or not anyone in his American audience heard it.

Decades ago, when the Finnish school system was badly in need of reform, the goal of the program that Finland instituted, resulting in so much success today, was never excellence. It was equity.

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Since the 1980s, the main driver of Finnish education policy has been the idea that every child should have exactly the same opportunity to learn, regardless of family background, income, or geographic location. Education has been seen first and foremost not as a way to produce star performers, but as an instrument to even out social inequality.

In the Finnish view, as Sahlberg describes it, this means that schools should be healthy, safe environments for children. This starts with the basics. Finland offers all pupils free school meals, easy access to health care, psychological counseling, and individualized student guidance.

In fact, since academic excellence wasn't a particular priority on the Finnish to-do list, when Finland's students scored so high on the first PISA survey in 2001, many Finns thought the results must be a mistake. But subsequent PISA tests confirmed that Finland -- unlike, say, very similar countries such as Norway -- was producing academic excellence through its particular policy focus on equity.

That this point is almost always ignored or brushed aside in the U.S. seems especially poignant at the moment, after the financial crisis and Occupy Wall Street movement have brought the problems of inequality in America into such sharp focus. The chasm between those who can afford $35,000 in tuition per child per year -- or even just the price of a house in a good public school district -- and the other "99 percent" is painfully plain to see.

* * *

Pasi Sahlberg goes out of his way to emphasize that his book Finnish Lessons is not meant as a how-to guide for fixing the education systems of other countries. All countries are different, and as many Americans point out, Finland is a small nation with a much more homogeneous population than the United States.

Yet Sahlberg doesn't think that questions of size or homogeneity should give Americans reason to dismiss the Finnish example. Finland is a relatively homogeneous country -- as of 2010, just 4.6 percent of Finnish residents had been born in another country, compared with 12.7 percent in the United States. But the number of foreign-born residents in Finland doubled during the decade leading up to 2010, and the country didn't lose its edge in education. Immigrants tended to concentrate in certain areas, causing some schools to become much more mixed than others, yet there has not been much change in the remarkable lack of variation between Finnish schools in the PISA surveys across the same period.

Samuel Abrams, a visiting scholar at Columbia University's Teachers College, has addressed the effects of size and homogeneity on a nation's education performance by comparing Finland with another Nordic country: Norway. Like Finland, Norway is small and not especially diverse overall, but unlike Finland it has taken an approach to education that is more American than Finnish. The result? Mediocre performance in the PISA survey. Educational policy, Abrams suggests, is probably more important to the success of a country's school system than the nation's size or ethnic makeup.

Indeed, Finland's population of 5.4 million can be compared to many an American state -- after all, most American education is managed at the state level. According to the Migration Policy Institute, a research organization in Washington, there were 18 states in the U.S. in 2010 with an identical or significantly smaller percentage of foreign-born residents than Finland.

What's more, despite their many differences, Finland and the U.S. have an educational goal in common. When Finnish policymakers decided to reform the country's education system in the 1970s, they did so because they realized that to be competitive, Finland couldn't rely on manufacturing or its scant natural resources and instead had to invest in a knowledge-based economy.

With America's manufacturing industries now in decline, the goal of educational policy in the U.S. -- as articulated by most everyone from President Obama on down -- is to preserve American competitiveness by doing the same thing. Finland's experience suggests that to win at that game, a country has to prepare not just some of its population well, but all of its population well, for the new economy. To possess some of the best schools in the world might still not be good enough if there are children being left behind.

Is that an impossible goal? Sahlberg says that while his book isn't meant to be a how-to manual, it is meant to be a "pamphlet of hope."

"When President Kennedy was making his appeal for advancing American science and technology by putting a man on the moon by the end of the 1960's, many said it couldn't be done," Sahlberg said during his visit to New York. "But he had a dream. Just like Martin Luther King a few years later had a dream. Those dreams came true. Finland's dream was that we want to have a good public education for every child regardless of where they go to school or what kind of families they come from, and many even in Finland said it couldn't be done."

Clearly, many were wrong. It is possible to create equality. And perhaps even more important -- as a challenge to the American way of thinking about education reform -- Finland's experience shows that it is possible to achieve excellence by focusing not on competition, but on cooperation, and not on choice, but on equity.

The problem facing education in America isn't the ethnic diversity of the population but the economic inequality of society, and this is precisely the problem that Finnish education reform addressed. More equity at home might just be what America needs to be more competitive abroad.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/what-americans-keep-ignoring-about-finlands-school-success/250564/
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2012, 04:21:06 PM »

I think school vouchers would go far addressing the economic inequality in America.
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« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2012, 02:30:00 AM »

"The European Commission is trying to get young girls interested in science. We do have an issue here in the United States as well where young kids are not getting involved in science enough especially young girls. Well the European Commission has a very creative way to get woman, or young girls interested in science"

Science: It's A Girl Thing!
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Re: Education: The War On Kids
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2012, 10:19:23 PM »

The War On Kids
Blame for problems with schooling in America is often assigned to insufficient funding or the inherent failings of today's kids. In rare cases, parents, teachers, and administrators are also implicated. However, all efforts to improve the quality of education are doomed to fail if the system itself is not examined and understood to be the most significant impediment. After over six years in the making, THE WAR ON KIDS reveals that the problems with public education ultimately stem from the institution itself. Astonishingly all efforts at reform consistently avoid even considering this to be a possibility and the future for children and American democracy are at stake.

The War On Kids



Are American schools criminalizing childhood behavior?
It seems that kids across America are being exposed to the law at a younger age. With the police presence in schools throughout the country, more kids have been getting arrested for things such as disrupting class and even using perfume. Many critics believe that these sort of disciplinary actions are going overboard and only creating a culture of delinquency. Susan Phillips, research analyst for The Sentencing Project, joins us with more.

Are American schools criminalizing childhood behavior?


US schools declare war on kids
Schools in the US are becoming more like detention centers than actual educational institutions. The ever presence of police officers at schools across America is becoming a growing trend in the country. Children as young as six years old have been cited class C misdemeanors for their actions. So are these practices criminalizing child behavior or are these tactics just? Cevin Soling, the director of The War on Kids, joins us to talk more about the growing problem.

US schools declare war on kids
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Re: Education: Zero Tolerance Discipline Policies
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2012, 10:25:21 PM »

ABC NEWS Zero Tolerance School Discipline Policies
On November 7, 2003 ABC World News Tonight aired an in-depth story on zero tolerance school discipline policies. The catalyst for the piece was Advancement Projects report: Derailed: The Schoolhouse to Jailhouse Track. The story featured an interview with advancement project senior attorney Judith Browne, Palm Beach juvenile judge/advocate Ronald Alvarez, and a Palm Beach parent whose child was charged with criminal mischief for throwing art supplies around in a classroom.

ABC NEWS Zero Tolerance School Discipline Policies


Some Schools Rethinking Zero-Tolerance Policies
Some Schools Rethinking Zero-Tolerance Policies

Should schools re-think zero-tolerance?
The state Board of Education recommended against it.
Should schools re-think zero-tolerance?
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School Orders Deaf 3 Year Old To Change The Way He Signs Because It Looks Too Much Like A Gun
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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2012, 04:10:10 PM »

LOL....she elected to have it done,,,,,,I bet that VP enjoyed it, especially if she was wearing those same shorts.
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2013, 01:01:43 AM »

Texas GOP Declares: "No More Teaching of 'Critical Thinking Skills' in Texas Public Schools"

The Republican Party of Texas has issued their 2012 political platform and has come out and blatantly opposed critical thinking in public schools throughout the state. If you wonder what took them so long to actually state that publicly, it is really a matter of timing. With irrationality now the norm and an election hovering over the 2012 horizon, the timing of the Republican GOP announcement against "critical thinking" instruction couldn't be better.  It helps gin up their anti-intellectual base.

The Texas GOP's declarative position against critical thinking in public schools, or any schools, for that matter, is now an official part of their political platform. It is public record in the Republican Party of Texas 2012 platform. With regard to critical thinking, the Republican Party of Texas document states: "Knowledge-Based Education - We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student's fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." (page 20, Republican Party of Texas, 2012).

Yes, challenging beliefs or claims is considered insubordinate, immoral and could lead to rebellion, disobedience or perhaps worse: revolution. For the Republican Party and their followers, thinking is subversive, imagination is a sin and the Republican Party in Texas and elsewhere is working to codify this into public policy. The plutocrats can't have a working-class citizenry that is asking questions of those in power, be they parents or bosses; instead, the people must be taught the ideology of what is morally acceptable, what rules and regulations to follow. and even more importantly, how to accept and internalize hierarchical authoritarianism. Critical thinking is a direct challenge to the "leaders" and their claims on authority, and any opposition to vertical arrangements is ethically unacceptable to those in power.

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