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[marilyn.monroe]

A LOT. You expect to find all sorts of variations, due to genetic drift. Why do you think we have so many races of humans? And on an evolutionary time scale that didn't take long.

But humans are of the same species, although we do exhibit the most variation of any kind within a species. Every human is unIQue! That is not a product of thoughtlessness! Science says mitrochondrial dna links us all to one common female ancestor, named "Eve". That goes more toward proving Creation than evolution to me.
How do Neanderthals fit into all this?
As far as dating, crystals could be the product of recycling, and here is new information on the rate of particle decay, which also could affect dating...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47866307/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Misbehaving particles poke holes in reigning physics theory

Scientists find decay happens more often than Standard Model predicts — so now what?

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't prove there is no God, or that he didn't create the world.

[MonroeMonkey]

But humans are of the same species, although we do exhibit the most variation of any kind within a species. Every human is unIQue! That is not a product of thoughtlessness! Science says mitrochondrial dna links us all to one common female ancestor, named "Eve". That goes more toward proving Creation than evolution to me. How do Neanderthals fit into all this?

Science gave that female that name, has nothing to do with proving the Bible correct. This happens in many species, as you get one that gains a mutation that reshapes the direction a species is going.

Neanderthals were primates that were part of a complex branching out of primates. We share a common ancestor with them. You expect their to be all sorts of subhuman species and primates if evolution is true; it's the branching of genetic drift. Again, that's why, in a relatively short time, you have all the various skin colors of humans. When groups divide and separate they *drift* apart. The longer they stay apart the more they drift apart, but if the numbers of any population get too high, while surviving well, you get gene flow, which slows down and weeds out change.

Mutations, natural selection, genetic drift, and gene flow are the four principles of evolution. Understand them and the picture is made clear.

As far as dating, crystals could be the product of recycling, and here is new information on the rate of particle decay, which also could affect dating...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47866307/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Misbehaving particles poke holes in reigning physics theory

Scientists find decay happens more often than Standard Model predicts — so now what?

Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't prove there is no God, or that he didn't create the world.

This only introduces variables not known of in the past, but it in no way creates a controversy among the academy of sciences; the world is still ancient and billions of years old. They'll just factor in the variables to get a somewhat more accurate date, but it will still be in in the same range of the spectrum. Creationists hear about these things and exaggerate them, as if it adds to the creationist argument, but it doesn't.

[livewire]

So, if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?   

[MonroeMonkey]

So, if we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?   

I assume you're joking. But a lot of people ask this as a serious question.

We didn't descend from modern apes. We share a common ancestor with modern apes, that common ancestor we both descended from, on the tree of life, is now extinct as it was, but it lives on in the modern various forms.

Genetic drift is like this:

100 apes in a community.

The community splits into 30/70.

30 go west. 70 go east.

The two communities, that used to be one, no longer breed together or sharing germ cell mutations, so each group drifts apart.

Each group accumulates mutations unique to their group, and pass them on only to the ones they mate with in their group. Thus we have races of skin color among humans, etc..

Evolution is small accumulating changes over a long period of time, factoring in genetic drift, creating a great deal of variation among species; and given enough time you get speciation.

[sammy]

I assume you're joking. But a lot of people ask this as a serious question.

We didn't descend from modern apes. We share a common ancestor with modern apes, that common ancestor we both descended from, on the tree of life, is now extinct as it was, but it lives on in the modern various forms.

Genetic drift is like this:

100 apes in a community.

The community splits into 30/70.

30 go west. 70 go east.

The two communities, that used to be one, no longer breed together or sharing germ cell mutations, so each group drifts apart.

Each group accumulates mutations unique to their group, and pass them on only to the ones they mate with in their group. Thus we have races of skin color among humans, etc..

Evolution is small accumulating changes over a long period of time, factoring in genetic drift, creating a great deal of variation among species; and given enough time you get speciation.

Assuming I "know" Live a little bit, I would think he is not joking. Your  thinking that he is joking is a continuation of your incessant "I'm smarter than you are, therefore, what you think is poo-poo" demeanor. You may be booksmart, but you ain't as smart as you think you are. Sorry for trolling.

[MonroeMonkey]

You may be booksmart, but you ain't as smart as you think you are. Sorry for trolling.

So you say. Provide a model to prove that, or I'll continue to laugh at how stupid your logic is. 

[sammy]

So you say. Provide a model to prove that, or I'll continue to laugh at how stupid your logic is. 

"provide a model". Is that philosophy-speak? I have NEVER purported to speak from logic. Laugh on!

[MonroeMonkey]

If you don't know a model is, look up the word.

Sammy, it's nice you wanna have a pissing contest with me, but I don't think you're fit for this arena. Pop shots and ad hominems add nothing.



I'll admit, it's all a display of ego, these debates. And I admit, my ego is well-hung.

"Only ego complains about the ego," said Ego.

[sammy]

If you don't know a model is, look up the word.

Sammy, it's nice you wanna have a pissing contest with me, but I don't think you're fit for this arena. Pop shots and ad hominems add nothing.



I'll admit, it's all a display of ego, these debates. And I admit, my ego is well-hung.

"Only ego complains about the ego," said Ego.

I almost peed myself  right here. "Pissing contest", doncha know. Your ego goes WAY beyond "well-hung".

[MonroeMonkey]

I almost peed myself  right here. "Pissing contest", doncha know. Your ego goes WAY beyond "well-hung".

No wonder you always wanna play with it! LMAO.

Ah, that was funny...

[MonroeMonkey]

Anyways, I'll bring this back on topic.


The Laryngeal Nerve - An argument against intelligent design.


The laryngeal nerve is a nerve from the brain to the vocal cords. It only needs to travel a few inches from the brain to the vocal cords, but it takes a strange detour under a valve of the heart, then back up to the vocal cords. You see this in all mammals, even the giraffe! This detour of twelve feet isn't needed! You expect to see such odd features, if modifications are being made on preexisting models (evolution), but not if things were created in perfect form, as creationists insist. Why travel feet when you only need to travel inches?

Again, evolution makes sense of this reality, whereas creationism does not.

[sammy]

Wow, Just WOW! I've always wondered about the laryngeal nerve. As a matter of fact, I had a hard time sleeping last night, wondering about that very thing. If you were to take a poll, I bet a lot of others had the same problem.

[livewire]

I assume you're joking. But a lot of people ask this as a serious question.

We didn't descend from modern apes. We share a common ancestor with modern apes, that common ancestor we both descended from, on the tree of life, is now extinct as it was, but it lives on in the modern various forms.

Genetic drift is like this:

100 apes in a community.

The community splits into 30/70.

30 go west. 70 go east.

The two communities, that used to be one, no longer breed together or sharing germ cell mutations, so each group drifts apart.

Each group accumulates mutations unique to their group, and pass them on only to the ones they mate with in their group. Thus we have races of skin color among humans, etc..

Evolution is small accumulating changes over a long period of time, factoring in genetic drift, creating a great deal of variation among species; and given enough time you get speciation.

To set the record straight, no, I was not joking.  I have asked the same question before, and gotten similar answers from evolutionists.  No surprise here.

The fact of the matter is this: 
There is NO concrete proof that humans are a product of evolution.
Similarly, there is NO concrete proof that humans were created by God.

I choose to believe in creation.  That is my belief, and I have that right. 
That belief will never be swayed by one person's opinions.

Humans have been given the free will to think, and reason. 
This, of course, is what separates us from animals.


Xerxes, at what point in time did humans suddenly begin to reason?

What did we evolve from, if not from apes? 

Why did "modern apes" NOT evolve as we did?  They are found in the same geographical locations as modern man, and as far as history is concerned, were exposed to similar environments as man.  Genetic drift cannot be THAT large, even over millions of years, without other factors entering into the equation.  IF SO, logic dictates that various species, with evolved abilities and knowledge somewhere between ape and man, would exist today.  That is not the case.  That alone is enough to totally debunk the theory of evolution.

'nuff said.   

[livewire]

By the process of elimination, evolution is indeed impossible.


"When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

~ Captain Spock, in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

[Forsythia]

Here's your answer Live

Humans and other apes are descended from a common ancestor whose population split to become two (and more) lineages. The question is rather like asking, "If many Americans and Australians are descended from Europeans, why are there still Europeans around?" Creationists themselves recognize the invalidity of this claim (AIG n.d.).

Here's more on genetic drift.  I'm at work or I would quote specifics directly.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genetic-drift.html