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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2012, 11:04:38 PM »

You get what you pay for.

Fair statement.  Problem is, most contracts go to the lowest bidder so if you are over priced, you stay home.
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DTE proposes to expand high level radioactive waste dump
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2012, 08:27:53 AM »

FRENCTOWN TOWNSHIP, Mich. — DTE Energy Co. says it might be 2014 before it transfers used nuclear fuel at its Fermi 2 plant in Monroe County.

The Monroe Evening News reports (http://bit.ly/Mv1PQt ) the move would be about three years later than originally planned.

The used fuel is stored inside the plant's reactor building. The Detroit-based utility wants to move the fuel to a system of outside storage casks.

Fermi complex was not designed nor approved by local residents to be a high level radioactive nuclear waste dump! Enough! Just say NO to Fermi!Anyone even notice it is shutdown? See?! We don't need it and we certainly do not need more deadly nuclear waste piling up!

Greater Danger Lies in Spent Fuel Than in Reactors
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/asia/18spent.html?pagewanted=all

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On Thursday, the special commission on nuclear waste released its final report. It was not encouraging to advocates of reprocessing.

The report did not rule out reprocessing or a new class of reactors. But it said that “no currently available or reasonably foreseeable reactor and fuel cycle technology developments — including advances in reprocessing and recycling technologies — have the potential to fundamentally alter the waste management challenge this nation confronts over at least the next several decades.’’

Among other problems, it said, if there were some reprocessing, the country would still need a waste repository.

Reprocessing is also a path to making materials for nuclear weapons, so the United States discourages it abroad.

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/is-spent-nuclear-fuel-really-waste/

What you going to do people? Let it pile up at Fermi?! Nuclear power is NOT economical, clean, safe, reliable or sustainable!
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Michigan nuclear waste meeting topic
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2012, 08:36:49 AM »

The problem of what to do with the nuclear waste generated by current and decommissioned nuclear plants in Michigan will be explored at the July 10 Citizens for Peace meeting.

Featured speaker will be Keith Gunter, member of Alliance to Halt Fermi - 3 and founding partner of the nationally recognized group Beyond Nuclear.

“The storage and isolation of high level nuclear waste is but one aspect of a technology that presents us with fundamentally irresolvable problems” he said.

The program begins at 7 p.m. at Unity of Livonia, at 28660 Five Mile Road.

All are welcome. For more information, call (734) 425-0079 or go to www.citizensforpeace11.blogspot.com


http://www.hometownlife.com/article/20120701/NEWS10/207010445/Michigan-nuclear-waste-meeting-topic?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CLivonia%7Cs
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2012, 01:01:34 PM »

MM...  I'm sure you'll be there.......If you are, just keep in mind how you got there if you don't walk, those nasty oil companies refined the crude that powers your car, using electricity generated from those nasty coal fired plants and even nastier nuclear plants....

It will probably be hot so the ac will be running and the lights and the audio system.....  all powered from those nasty plants again......

Wake up and smell the petunia's.

Somehow I don't see you living without the convenience of electricity or coal or petrochemicals or nuclear.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2012, 06:32:54 PM »

Picking on me won't change the fact America needs to transition to clean sustainable domestic energy. Domestic fossil fuels are part of the transition process. Nuclear fuel is too costly and the radioactive waste is unmanageable. Time to cut their losses and clean-up.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2012, 08:12:57 PM »

Maybe someday we can fuel the world on marshmellows and baked bean farts...

I know we can bag up all our yard waste into a pile and let it break down into some sort of naturally occuring fuel that we can use someday.... oh wait we call that oil and natural gas.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2012, 09:54:44 PM »

Picking on me won't change the fact America needs to transition to clean sustainable domestic energy. Domestic fossil fuels are part of the transition process. Nuclear fuel is too costly and the radioactive waste is unmanageable. Time to cut their losses and clean-up.

Maybe it's time for you to cut the electric line to your house, can all the electric appliance's you've grown accustomed to and start poineering it.  Don't forget to park the car and hoof it too.

Don't buy anything perishable like milk or meat because you don't have a refrigerator any more.

No hot showers...your water gets heated with dirty fuel too.  Come to think of it, no showers, no running water because the water is pumped by pumps that run on electricity that comes in part from that dirty fuel....

You are gonna be hungry and stink too....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2012, 09:35:42 AM »

Maybe it's time for you to cut the electric line to your house, can all the electric appliance's you've grown accustomed to and start poineering it.  Don't forget to park the car and hoof it too.

Don't buy anything perishable like milk or meat because you don't have a refrigerator any more.

No hot showers...your water gets heated with dirty fuel too.  Come to think of it, no showers, no running water because the water is pumped by pumps that run on electricity that comes in part from that dirty fuel....

You are gonna be hungry and stink too....... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I already do "hoof" it, literally. I walk, too. I make use of my clothesline. Ever try a shower bag heated in the sun? Nice.

Yes, I am still on the grid, because that is exactly where big government and big energy wants me. I am trying to become energy independent. How does that change the fact nuclear fuel cost a fortune and has to be imported, and there are no reasonable solutions to radioactive waste??

Thursday - Monroe, MI - A new report submitted to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission shows
dramatic increases in cancer and mortalities in Monroe County since the start-up of the Fermi 2
nuclear plant. Using data from the Center for Disease Control, the report was prepared by Joseph
Mangano, MPH, MBA Executive Director of the Radiation and Public Health Project.

One of the most shocking statistics shows that cancer death rates of young people (up to age 24)
living in Monroe County exceeded the U.S.A national rate by 28% from 1985 to 2008 , a large shift
from 1979-1984, when the county rate was 24% below the national average. Cancer death rates for
25-44 year olds in Monroe County also jumped, from 22% below the U.S. national average to 4%
above the national average. In 1985 Fermi 2 loaded fuel and began low power testing, full
commercial operation began January 1988.

There were 19 health indicators reviewed including infant mortalities, low birth weights and
hospitalizations that showed increased incidence in Monroe County, compared to the U.S. national
average. Ten of these indicators were statistically significant and 4 others approached significance.

"These patterns in Monroe Country raise serious questions about whether emissions from Fermi 2
harmed local residents," says Joseph Mangano. "Before any decision is made on the future of Fermi
3, unusual health patterns such as these must be studied thoroughly by federal and state health
officials, and findings reported to the public" Mangano concluded.

Nuclear power plants emit numerous radioactive isotopes not only from accidents, but also as part
of routine "normal" operations. In 2002 Fermi 2 was 10th highest in the U.S. for airborne
emissions of Iodine-131, 7th highest for Strontium 89. In 2007 Fermi 2 was 13th highest in
emissions of Tritium. Fermi 2 experienced a serious accident Christmas day 1993 that resulted in a
discharge of 2 million gallons of slightly radioactive water into Lake Erie. The drinking water
intakes for Monroe and Frenchtown Twp. are located 1/4 mile downstream from the plant.
Radioactive isotopes can bio-accumulate and bio-concentrate in the food chain much like DDT and
dioxins.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8kwQbVz9Ww8J:www.citizensenvironmentalliance.org/pressreleases/Increased%2520cancer%2520Fermi2.pdf+fermi+monroe&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgZtFrpo3CNjicCgEuoGDzC94MMd77O57GXuIYWhTXCL6Wm-hOuT9a1XIKeTKG7Wkyz1CkLamw0WQwuCKlUrELNXVfBNh4VHi6xuyjhYZH1j91J84yQwKoqRMIFTooVrXfEb5nM&sig=AHIEtbTwjPnbT86C5v_Z-fLRxe71Xgk0Qw

Radioactive Water Leaks from Michigan Nuclear Power Plant

By
Gabriel Caplett
 – 12/04/2010

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says no workers were affected during a 100,000 gallon radioactive water release at the Fermi 2 nuclear power plant, in Monroe County.  A formal report will not be made because the reactor was not operating and the accident wasn’t considered significant enough of a risk.  The accident happened when the plant was restarted after sitting idle for a month for maintenance.
 
Some more information from the Monroe News:
 

DTE Energy confirmed Thursday that an undetermined amount of radioactive water flooded some areas of its Fermi 2 nuclear power plant on Wednesday afternoon, contaminated some workers’ clothing, and entered the plant’s sewer system. And Monroe's wastewater system. Radioactive isotopes bioaccumulate. That means all the "low" levels add up! Add it up Monroe!
 
The problem occurred when a drain valve stuck open on a system that filters water condensed from radioactive steam, causing a holding tank to overflow. The overflow then filled a ventilation line and spilled into portions of the plant’s turbine building and radwaste building.

http://headwatersnews.net/environment-blog/radioactive-water-leaks-from-michigan-nuclear-power-plant/

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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2012, 01:43:10 PM »

Marylin....

Not to add to your concerns but I have an issue with Fermi as it stands today and that is, the reactor and containment building for spent fuel rods is the exact same design that was used in Japan at the plant that experienced a meltdown, the spent fuel is stored in a containment vessel on the third floor of the building.  It should be on grade, not elevated, IMO a very bad design.

My other issue with nuclear builds is the infrastructure builds go to the lowest bidder when they should go to the most experienced and competent bidder.....
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2012, 05:20:25 PM »

Marylin....

Not to add to your concerns but I have an issue with Fermi as it stands today and that is, the reactor and containment building for spent fuel rods is the exact same design that was used in Japan at the plant that experienced a meltdown, the spent fuel is stored in a containment vessel on the third floor of the building.  It should be on grade, not elevated, IMO a very bad design.

My other issue with nuclear builds is the infrastructure builds go to the lowest bidder when they should go to the most experienced and competent bidder.....

Uninformed Idiot.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2012, 06:25:20 PM »

Uninformed Idiot.

Shame on ya Mike.  I think I used to respect ya.  Big difference between Uninformed and Under-informed.

SCF generally speaks volumes, and m.m gives me cause to think.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2012, 07:41:03 PM »

Uninformed Idiot.

So tell us BM...... ;D

What is your take on the NRC's decision to curtail the transfer of spent fuel rods to containment casks because of what might happen if one falls over...  on the 3rd floor, in as much as each cask weighs 300,000 pounds (according to the NRC).

There would be no issue if the containment pool was at grade level.  It isn't.

I'm waiting with baited breath for your 'expert' analysis.
BTW the lids are Friction Stir welded but thats another subject and not for this forum.....

The boiling water reactor at Fermi is almost identical to the one in Japan that went haywire after the tsunami soaked it...........

I'm certainly not against nuclear energy as a source of electrical generation (unlike Marylin), I am however, against low bidder construction and cost cutting measures that could endanger not only myself, but you too and everyone else around here.

Like Davis Besse and the cracks that 'supposedly occured as the aftermath of an ice storm.  Gimme a break.  Bad concrete. probably low bidder stuff.

nuclear energy is nothing to play with or cut corners with.  Look at Japan.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2012, 09:01:28 PM »

So tell us BM...... ;D

What is your take on the NRC's decision to curtail the transfer of spent fuel rods to containment casks because of what might happen if one falls over...  on the 3rd floor, in as much as each cask weighs 300,000 pounds (according to the NRC).

There would be no issue if the containment pool was at grade level.  It isn't.

I'm waiting with baited breath for your 'expert' analysis.
BTW the lids are Friction Stir welded but thats another subject and not for this forum.....

The boiling water reactor at Fermi is almost identical to the one in Japan that went haywire after the tsunami soaked it...........

I'm certainly not against nuclear energy as a source of electrical generation (unlike Marylin), I am however, against low bidder construction and cost cutting measures that could endanger not only myself, but you too and everyone else around here.

Like Davis Besse and the cracks that 'supposedly occured as the aftermath of an ice storm.  Gimme a break.  Bad concrete. probably low bidder stuff.

nuclear energy is nothing to play with or cut corners with.  Look at Japan.

The Japanese plants didn't have all the safety equipment designed to bring a crippled plant down that US plants have.  Many of these were post Three Mile Island additions.  Fermi's emergency diesels are also placed well above ground level, unlike Fukushima's.

The reactor building was not designed to accept the extra weight of the dry storage casks while being loaded and transferred.  It has nothing to do with "low-bidders".  The contractors that built Fermi were not fly-by-night mom and pop outfits.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2012, 09:20:27 PM »

We will put the windmills in your backyard along with the solar panels.
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