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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2012, 10:03:01 PM »

The Japanese plants didn't have all the safety equipment designed to bring a crippled plant down that US plants have.  Many of these were post Three Mile Island additions.  Fermi's emergency diesels are also placed well above ground level, unlike Fukushima's.

But do they work?

The reactor building was not designed to accept the extra weight of the dry storage casks while being loaded and transferred.  It has nothing to do with "low-bidders".  The contractors that built Fermi were not fly-by-night mom and pop outfits.

I didn't say they were.  However it was competitively bid.  That means low bidder.

The designs are similar.  Not a mirror image, bur similar.  'been in a couple plants myself, notably, the plants at Muscle Shoals.  One issue with N plants in this country is no 2 are exactly alike so to run one efficiently, don't apply to another.  N plants need to be cookie cutter, all the same with all the same componentry.  They aren't.

I have no issue with N plants.  I have an issue with the execution of the physical plant itself and I'll take a windmill in the backyard or a solar array, if someone wants to donate that is.

Those forms of energy generation are prohibitively expensive, much like ethanol.  Without the gummit's free cheese subsidities on any of the preceeding forms of 'clean energy', all are a loosing proposition.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2012, 01:10:10 AM »

First: I used to be an Operator at Fermi and spent my last 5 years there as a Shift Manager, ie the top operator you can find anywhere.

1: The refuel floor at Fermi is on the FIFTH floor not the third. It is in fact inherently better and less complicated from an engineering standpoint to place the floor that high. Safer too.

2: The limitation for dry cask had zero to do with floor loading. Browns Ferry, an identical reactor uses dry cask and it's floor is in the exact same location. Right now the issue at Fermi is the design of the Refuel Floor Crane. It was never analyzed with margin for a Dry Cask load. The floor has nothing to do with it.

3: I have supervised Dry Cask loading at my current facility. Can you describe this mythical "Friction" welding process that no other welder seems to know about?

4: Exactly which reactors and for that matter power plants are located at Muscle Shoals. Given any plant there would be owned by my current employer I'd sure love to know. Here I'll even give you a map so you can help educate me.. http://www.tva.com/sites/sites_ie.htm

5: Fermi is an entirely different generation of reactor than Fukushima. Same generic type but with modifications the Japanese elected not to use and from a procedural standpoint eons ahead.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2012, 01:10:39 PM »

First: I used to be an Operator at Fermi and spent my last 5 years there as a Shift Manager, ie the top operator you can find anywhere.

1: The refuel floor at Fermi is on the FIFTH floor not the third. It is in fact inherently better and less complicated from an engineering standpoint to place the floor that high. Safer too.

2: The limitation for dry cask had zero to do with floor loading. Browns Ferry, an identical reactor uses dry cask and it's floor is in the exact same location. Right now the issue at Fermi is the design of the Refuel Floor Crane. It was never analyzed with margin for a Dry Cask load. The floor has nothing to do with it.

3: I have supervised Dry Cask loading at my current facility. Can you describe this mythical "Friction" welding process that no other welder seems to know about?

4: Exactly which reactors and for that matter power plants are located at Muscle Shoals. Given any plant there would be owned by my current employer I'd sure love to know. Here I'll even give you a map so you can help educate me.. http://www.tva.com/sites/sites_ie.htm

5: Fermi is an entirely different generation of reactor than Fukushima. Same generic type but with modifications the Japanese elected not to use and from a procedural standpoint eons ahead.
I'm just tagging the topic...it's nice to see that you've finally contributed something of value.
It appears you have no issues with self-esteem...I just hope neck isn't straining from all that weight.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2012, 03:01:12 PM »

Oops I meant in general, a Shift Manager is the top operator at any facility though I do firmly believe I am the best in the industry. As for self esteem, some people wait for miracles, I believe I am the miracle.

I am always willing to answer valid questions about Nuclear Power.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2012, 09:59:50 PM »

First: I used to be an Operator at Fermi and spent my last 5 years there as a Shift Manager, ie the top operator you can find anywhere.

1: The refuel floor at Fermi is on the FIFTH floor not the third. It is in fact inherently better and less complicated from an engineering standpoint to place the floor that high. Safer too.

2: The limitation for dry cask had zero to do with floor loading. Browns Ferry, an identical reactor uses dry cask and it's floor is in the exact same location. Right now the issue at Fermi is the design of the Refuel Floor Crane. It was never analyzed with margin for a Dry Cask load. The floor has nothing to do with it.

3: I have supervised Dry Cask loading at my current facility. Can you describe this mythical "Friction" welding process that no other welder seems to know about?

4: Exactly which reactors and for that matter power plants are located at Muscle Shoals. Given any plant there would be owned by my current employer I'd sure love to know. Here I'll even give you a map so you can help educate me.. http://www.tva.com/sites/sites_ie.htm

5: Fermi is an entirely different generation of reactor than Fukushima. Same generic type but with modifications the Japanese elected not to use and from a procedural standpoint eons ahead.

I'd say you've had a bit of overradiation.......

Glow much??
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2012, 10:01:22 PM »

I'd say you've had a bit of overradiation.......

Glow much??

Nice reply. How long have you been a lying buffoon?
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2012, 10:14:16 AM »

We will put the windmills in your backyard along with the solar panels.
Thank you! :) Why not replace Fermi with a world-class state of the art clean energy generation farm and university? Wind generators, solar and batteries are becoming more adaptable and unobtrusive. Wouldn't it be great if every building powered itself? No more toxic pollution or radioactive waste, no more paying to maintain the grid and lines, no more taxes on electric!



The Radioactive Waste Crisis

There remains no viable solution for either the management or certainly the "disposal" of nuclear waste. Yet, the one recommendation that will not be contained in the DOE report is to stop making any more of it. While a child would never be allowed to continue piling up toys in his or her room indefinitely, failing to tidy up the mess, the nuclear industry continues to be permitted to manufacture some of the world's most toxic detritus without a cleanup plan.
 
A sneak peak last July at the Commission's draft report confirms that no new miracles are to be unveiled this month. Its preferred "solution" appears to be "centralized interim" storage, an allegedly temporary but potentially permanent parking lot dumpsite for highly radioactive waste that, based on past practices, will likely be targeted for an Indian reservation or a poor community of color.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/240507-The-Radioactive-Waste-Crisis



A tornado damaged the Fermi 2 nuclear power plant in Monroe, Michigan in June, 2010, knocking out the primary electric grid. Fortunately, this happened after it had been discovered, just 4 years earlier, that Fermi 2′s emergency back-up diesel generators had been inoperable for two decades, from 1986 to 2006. Fermi 2 is the largest General Electric Boiling Water Reactor of the Mark 1 design in the world – a replica of Fukushima Daiichi Units 1 to 4, only significantly bigger, and with more high-level radioactive waste in its storage pool than all four failed Japanese units put together. These Great Lakes reactors are located immediately adjacent to the drinking water supply for 40 million people downstream in the U.S., Canada, and numerous Native American/First Nations, comprising a remarkable 20% of the world’s surface fresh water.

http://www.dianuke.org/flirting-with-atomic-power-destabilized-climate/
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2012, 11:04:31 AM »

Those diesels would have worked just fine in the event they were needed. It was a calculation error.

Fermi is NOT the largest of it's type in the world.

Mark 1 is not a reactor type.

And I wish I spoke fluent idiot so I could understand Marilyn.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2012, 04:31:43 PM »

Those diesels would have worked just fine in the event they were needed. It was a calculation error.

Fermi is NOT the largest of it's type in the world.

Mark 1 is not a reactor type.

And I wish I spoke fluent idiot so I could understand Marilyn.
You're doing a fine job   ;)
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Report Blames Government Oversight NOT Tsunami For Meltdown Of Reactors
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2012, 09:15:33 PM »

Report Blames Government Oversight NOT Tsunami For Meltdown Of Japanese Nuclear Reactors
Report Blames Government Oversight NOT Tsunami For Meltdown Of Japanese Nuclear Reactors


What Does The Meltdown Of Japanese Nuclear Reactors Means To You?


The last video was about the GE Fukushima reactor....when the talk mentioned the accumulating spent fuel pool and the heavy-duty crane...I immediately thought about the similarities with Fermi.

And then I found confirmation:


NEWPORT, Mich. -- Records show 23 of America's 104 operating nuclear plants -- including DTE Energy's Fermi 2 plant in northern Monroe County -- are General Electric Mark 1 reactors that have similarities to the Fukushima Daiichi reactor in Japan that was the site of hydrogen explosions after the weekend earthquake.
Situated 30 miles north of Toledo along Lake Erie's western shore, the Fermi reactor is the most powerful of America's Mark 1 designs with a capacity rating of 1,122 megawatts.
More here:
http://www.toledoblade.com/Energy/2011/03/15/Fermi-like-1-stricken-Japan-plant.html
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NRC to hold Public Meeting on Fermi 3
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2012, 08:03:00 AM »

http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1217/ML12178A498.pdf


SUBJECT: FORTHCOMING MEETING TO DISCUSS OPEN ITEMS AND OUTSTANDING REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RESPONSES RELATING TO THE DETROIT EDISON COMBINED LICENSE APPLICATION FOR FERMI UNIT 3
DATE & TIME: Thursday, July 12, 2012
1:00 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
LOCATION: U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Conference Call
PURPOSE: To discuss resolution of open items and outstanding request for additional information responses to support the safety review of the Detroit Edison (DTE) application for Fermi Unit 3. Other topics related to the DTE Fermi Unit 3 application may also be discussed.
CATEGORY 1*: This is a Category 1 Meeting. The public is invited to participate in this meeting and will have one or more opportunities to communicate with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) after the business portion, but before the meeting is adjourned. Members of the public who wish to attend are encouraged to telephone or e-mail the contact listed below and use the contact information below to get a list of the specific topics scheduled to be discussed at each meeting.


MEETING CONTACT: Jerry Hale, NRO/DNRL
301-415-8148
Jerry.hale@nrc.gov
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PARTICIPANTS: Participants from the NRC include members from the Office of New Reactors (NRO).
NRC
DTE
J. Hale, NRO
P. Smith, DTE
M. Eudy, NRO
N. Latzy, DTE
R. Jenkins, NRO
M. Brandon, DTE
A. Muniz, NRO
R. Pratt, DTE

Interested members of the public can participate in this meeting via a toll-free teleconference. A telephone conference bridge has been established for this meeting. Please contact Jerry Hale at 301-415-8148 or jerry.hale@nrc.gov for the telephone number and passcode. The NRC provides reasonable accommodation to individuals with disabilities where appropriate. If you need a reasonable accommodation to participate in this meeting (e.g., a translator, handicapped accessibility) or need this meeting notice, the transcript, or other information from the meeting in another format (e.g., Braille, large print, a language other than English), please notify the NRC's meeting contact. Determinations on requests for reasonable accommodations will be made on a case-by-case basis.

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GE Stockholders want OUT of Nuclear Biz
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2012, 09:07:28 AM »

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/3/2012/4569

The GE Stockholders’ Alliance (GESA) believes the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant meltdowns, explosions and continuing dispersal of radioactive waste could have been prevented if design deficiencies of the GE Mark I reactors, recognized in the early 1970s, would have been acted upon, instead of ignored.

A stockholder proposal submitted by the GE Stockholders’ Alliance (GESA) is on the agenda for the General Electric annual meeting, to be held 10 am EDT April 25, 2012 at the Detroit Marriott at the Renaissance Center, in Detroit, MI. The GESA is particularly alarmed that 23 of the same aging GE Mark I reactors are currently operating in the U.S. All but one has received a 20-year license extension from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The only exception, the Fermi 2 atomic reactor located 35 miles south of Detroit in Frenchtown Township near Monroe, is expected to apply for an extension in 2014. Almost all the Mark Is have also been granted “power uprates,” meaning they are being run harder and hotter than originally designed, despite their age-related degradation.

Also of great concern to the GESA are the irradiated fuel rods that are unsafely stored at each reactor, for an indefinite duration, in an unprotected elevated fuel pool. The pools have been repeatedly re-racked to accommodate far more fuel rods than in the original design. Many U.S. GE BWR Mark I high-level radioactive waste storage pools hold more irradiated nuclear fuel than does the high-risk Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 pool in Japan.

There is now growing opposition to the proposed construction at the Fermi nuclear complex of a newly-designed General Electric-Hitachi so-called Economic Simplified Boiling Water Reactor (ESBWR). The ESBWR design is under consideration for approval by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

“The high-level radioactive waste storage pool at Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 is at precarious risk of failure, which would lead to a fire and catastrophic radioactivity release even worse than what has already occurred, due to the lack of radiological containment over the pool,” said Kevin Kamps of Beyond Nuclear. “But the Fermi 2 pool contains far more high-level radioactive waste than Fukushima Daiichi Units 1 to 4 put together, and is itself an accident waiting to happen. With the loss of ability to circulate water, the Fermi 2 irradiated nuclear fuel pool could begin to boil off in 4.2 hours.” [Please see www.nrc.gov upper right corner search for ML993440109 and ML072360053]

“The potential of a cataclysmic accident at an untested General Electric-Hitachi ESBWR design is always there. The next greatest immediate impacts are costs associated with the loss of opportunity to move toward renewable and energy efficiency,” said Michael Keegan of Don’t Waste Michigan. “With the cost of Fermi 3 now projected at $15 billion, and the potential of skyrocketing cost overruns, we can either go nuclear, or pursue the promise of efficiency and renewables, but we can’t do both,” he added. “To lock the state of Michigan into pursuit of the proposed Fermi 3 is a colossal travesty,” concluded Michael Keegan of Don’t Waste Michigan.



Does GE Pay Enough In Taxes?

DETROIT (Talk Radio 1270) Amid protests claiming General Electric is ducking taxes, Detroit’s Rev. Charles Williams — who organized local protests against GE — and the Wall Street Journal’s Ed Coury broke down the situation on Charlie Langton’s morning show on Talk Radio 1270.
 
“GE has cut 32 (thousand) jobs since 2004, received $3.2 billion in refunds from the government in 2010, and continues to not have to pay taxes and continues to outsource jobs to outside countries,” Williams said.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/26/does-ge-pay-enough-in-taxes/

It is costing a fortune just to regulate the ESBWR.
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DTE names new Chief Nuclear Officer, No mention of Emergency Shutdown
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2012, 08:31:07 PM »

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/davis-to-retire-plona-named-cno-at-dte-energys-fermi-2-nuclear-power-plant-2012-07-02

DETROIT, July 2, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Jack M. Davis, senior vice president and chief nuclear officer at DTE Energy's Fermi 2 Nuclear Power Plant, has announced that he is retiring at the end of this year. The DTE Energy Board of Directors has named Joseph H. Plona, currently site vice president, to replace Davis as senior vice president and chief nuclear officer, effective Sept. 1.

Plona will report to Steven Kurmas, president and chief operating officer of Detroit Edison, who will assume responsibility for Nuclear Generation.


Jack's knowledge and leadership have been invaluable for the past five years," said Gerry Anderson, DTE Energy chairman, president and CEO. "He has guided Fermi 2 to achieve significant improvementin operations, safety and reliability. The plant is now at top levels of industry performance." Constant breakdowns, standby failures, and radioactive discharges must be the top level industry standard.

No one was kilt and the radioactivity was "low" so they think they are doing good.

Pollution=Money to DTE


 
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Injecting some sanity into the debate on nuclear waste
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2012, 08:45:14 PM »

NRC Petitioned To Stop Final Licensing Decisions For Nearly Three Dozen Nuclear Reactors In Wake Of Waste Confidence Ruling

WASHINGTON, June 18, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) must not make final licensing decisions until it has completed a rulemaking action on the environmental impacts of highly radioactive nuclear waste in the form of spent, or 'used', reactor fuel storage and disposal, as required under the landmark Waste Confidence Rule decision of June 8th by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, according to a petition filed today by 22 groups and 2 individuals. This petition is to ensure that the environmental analysis directed by the Court is meaningfully incorporated into the licensing of nearly 35 reactors in a number of states.

Former NRC Commissioner Peter Bradford said:  "By telling the naked emperor to go get dressed, the Court has delivered an overdue rebuke to the NRC's bad habit of pushing for the nuclear power plants while postponing the problems, as we now know the Japanese to have done at Fukushima.  It's hard to see how federal and state officials can justify putting more taxpayer or customer money at risk on new reactor projects until this situation is resolved."

"We are part of this important effort to ensure that local communities and the public finally have the ability to raise important concerns about the risks associated with radioactive waste and subsequent storage at nuclear plants across the Southeast," said Sara Barczak, High Risk Energy Choices program director with Southern Alliance for Clean Energy, one of the petitioners to the Court. "The Court agreed with us that it's long overdue for these serious impacts to finally be evaluated by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and shared with the public. Now we're just making sure that'll happen--that communities will have a voice."

Lou Zeller, Executive Director of Blue Ridge Environmental Defense League, another petitioner to the Court, said: "For years we have had no confidence in NRC's assertions about nuclear waste and we have not been silent about it. Finally, the courts have agreed with us. We look forward to injecting some sanity into the debate on nuclear waste."

On June 8th, the Court rejected the Waste Confidence Rule, which has been an essential component of all NRC decisions to license new reactors or re-license existing reactors for additional 20-year terms.  In vacating the rule, the Court directed that the NRC comply with the National Environmental Policy Act and conduct a thorough environmental analysis of radioactive spent fuel storage and disposal issues.

On June 8th, the Court threw out the NRC rule that permitted licensing and re-licensing of nuclear reactors based on the supposition that (a) the NRC will find a way to dispose of spent reactor fuel to be generated by reactors at some time in the future when it becomes "necessary" and (b) in the mean time, spent fuel can be stored safely at reactor sites. 

The Court noted that, after decades of failure to site a repository, including twenty years of working on the now-abandoned Yucca Mountain repository, the NRC "has no long-term plan other than hoping for a geologic repository."  Therefore it is possible that spent fuel will be stored at reactor sites "on a permanent basis."  Under the circumstances, the NRC must examine the environmental consequences of failing to establish a repository when one is needed.     

The Court also rejected NRC's decision minimizing the risks of leaks or fires in spent fuel stored in reactor pools during future storage, because the NRC had not demonstrated that these future impacts would be insignificant.  The Court found that past experience with pool leaks was not an adequate predictor of future experience.  It also concluded that the NRC had not shown that catastrophic pool fires were so unlikely that their risks could be ignored. 

Source: PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1eY2r)


Fermi 1 fire emitted no radiation
http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2008/05/22/Fermi-1-fire-emitted-no-radiation.html
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2012, 01:31:19 AM »

Monroe County Emergency Management apparently thinks the addition of a permanent high level radioactive waste storage is business as usual. Evacuation times have been updated, because the evacuation zone just got smaller. 50 miles is good for the Japan, but not necessary for us.

All the other public servants kowtowing to DTE at taxpayer expense. Mercy is right behind them, making money off cancer patients. What kind of human beings are these people promoting radioactive nuclear waste?


https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:SQ3ZwOUJaaUJ:pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1209/ML12095A135.pdf+fermi+fire+monroe+michigan&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi3og3qsCAiFV-PheiBnObRhtHz3BOHBxIXypUR0l58vsRZT5X1pl7YsNCSZK_cpA3VYUYQfZ1jkagAqYRUQolQQg4Z7HMT9uqCX9NonF1iXrTvfyvurJtQYl9FI1h-jk-kQmoT&sig=AHIEtbRbef3MOQhahfSr9ObK2C27XPDn0Q
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