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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2012, 10:53:54 AM »

Well it's their only nuke.
And Monroe Power Plant is one of the largest coal plants in the nation. Companies don't go into great detail with their earning announcements or company overview. The fact that they don't mention fermi is not a big deal at all, only for you because you are looking for something to complain about.
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Great advice from another poster on this forum, we should all live by this:

"I'd advise against anyone contemplating sullying the reputation of any of the candidates without solid proof. "

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« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2012, 12:06:24 PM »

Those that dwell in the past have no future. 


Interesting.  Obviously you were attempting to counter sound advice.  I will disregard that to explore what it can mean.

Can having a preoccupation with the past on a societal level be harmful to future progression?  Some groups have clung to the past, refusing change.  The KKK comes to mind as a group that clung/clings to the past pretending that racial equality is not valid.  Does that prevent them from psychological progression?  I don’t think so, but it certainly can slow it greatly.

What I can see as a primary use of the above phrase is in the individual context.  Individuals that cling to their past can damage the present.  A person that grew up in an abusive alcoholic family can cling to the pain and prevent decent present relationships.  This can make the above phrase mostly valid, except changing to present instead of future.

However, it in no way is a counter to “those that refuse to remember the past are doomed to repeat it.”
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2012, 04:17:08 PM »

Tear it down, tear it all down...The nuclear age was a failed pipe dream that never delivered what it was supposed to...clean energy!  Hundreds of years of dealing with toxic garbage is not a solution to fossil fuels...God gave us three absolutely free power sources to tap into(wind,water,solar), but no one seems to be able to wrap their heads around the obvious.  Go big oil, go mans greed...

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« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2012, 04:44:21 PM »

http://planecrashinfo.com/recent.htm

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Great advice from another poster on this forum, we should all live by this:

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« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2012, 04:47:26 PM »

Michigan State Police say two University of Michigan students were killed and three other students were seriously injured after crashing their Subaru on I-75 North in Arenac County, according to NBC 25.

It happened shortly before 9 a.m. Saturday. The TV station reports that one student ID from Michigan State was found, and four others were from U-M.

All of the occupants were from China.

According to WDIV in Detroit, police said the driver wasn’t paying attention to the road. They were believed to be on a tour to see fall colors. Inside the vehicle, troopers said they found a map to Tahquamenon Falls State Park, and attached to that map were hand written directions to nearby hotels, WDIV reported.

The names of those who were killed have not been released.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/two-university-of-michigan-students-killed-in-car-crash-on-i-75-three-others-seriously-injured/

Down with driving. Up with people!
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Great advice from another poster on this forum, we should all live by this:

"I'd advise against anyone contemplating sullying the reputation of any of the candidates without solid proof. "

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« Reply #65 on: July 11, 2012, 04:58:09 PM »

Michigan State Police say two University of Michigan students were killed and three other students were seriously injured after crashing their Subaru on I-75 North in Arenac County, according to NBC 25.

It happened shortly before 9 a.m. Saturday. The TV station reports that one student ID from Michigan State was found, and four others were from U-M.

All of the occupants were from China.

According to WDIV in Detroit, police said the driver wasn’t paying attention to the road. They were believed to be on a tour to see fall colors. Inside the vehicle, troopers said they found a map to Tahquamenon Falls State Park, and attached to that map were hand written directions to nearby hotels, WDIV reported.

The names of those who were killed have not been released.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/two-university-of-michigan-students-killed-in-car-crash-on-i-75-three-others-seriously-injured/

Down with driving. Up with people!
It is tragic that auto accidents kill so many people. We know speeding, careless driving, drinking, drugs, texting, bad weather lead to accidents. There are solutions to those problems. There is no solution for nuclear waste.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2012, 10:02:26 AM »

Public Meeting still on with NRC, you can give comment on Fermi 3. There must be extensive study done for the  high-level nuclear waste storage that is accumulating. The cancer questions must be answered. The radioactivity must be accounted for. Future design reliability is in question.

http://www.nrc.gov/public-involve/public-meetings/index.cfm?action=search.detail&MeetingCode=20120587

Meeting Date & Time
07/12/12
01:00PM -
03:00PM

Contact
Jerry Hale
Phone: (301)415-8148

Docket Number - Facility Name
05200033 - FERMI 3

Adams Accession Number
ML12178A498 Meeting Notice and Agenda

Teleconference
Interested members of the public can participate in this meeting via a toll-free teleconference. For details, please call the NRC meeting contact.
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http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1219/ML12191A422.pdf

INTERVENORS’ MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE A NEW
CONTENTION CONCERNING TEMPORARY STORAGE
AND ULTIMATE DISPOSAL OF NUCLEAR WASTE AT
PROPOSED FERMI 3 NUCLEAR POWER PLANT

Now come Intervenors Beyond Nuclear, et al.1 (hereinafter “Intervenors”), by and
through counsel, and pursuant to 10 C.F.R. §§ 2.309(f)(1) and 2.309(f)(2), seek leave to file a
new contention which challenges the failure of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement
(“DEIS”) for the proposed Fermi 3 nuclear power plant combined license (“COL”) to address the
environmental impacts of spent fuel pool leakage and fires as well as the environmental impacts
that may occur if a spent fuel repository does not become available.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2012, 04:33:21 PM »

Tear down Fermi and deposit the nuclear waste where?  Folks must have missed the news regarding elimination of the pending US nuclear waste repository site.

GAO: Death of Yucca Mountain Caused by Political Maneuvering

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/05/10/10greenwire-gao-death-of-yucca-mountain-caused-by-politica-36298.html?pagewanted=all


The Obama administration's rushed efforts to shut down Yucca Mountain were strictly political and could set back the opening of a nuclear waste repository by more than 20 years, according to a new report by a federal watchdog.

The administration killed the repository program last year without citing technical or safety issues, and restarting the costly and time-consuming process of finding a permanent repository or an alternative solution could take decades and cost billions of additional dollars, the Government Accountability Office reported yesterday.
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« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2012, 04:50:23 PM »

Tear down Fermi and deposit the nuclear waste where?  Folks must have missed the news regarding elimination of the pending US nuclear waste repository site.

GAO: Death of Yucca Mountain Caused by Political Maneuvering

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/05/10/10greenwire-gao-death-of-yucca-mountain-caused-by-politica-36298.html?pagewanted=all


The Obama administration's rushed efforts to shut down Yucca Mountain were strictly political and could set back the opening of a nuclear waste repository by more than 20 years, according to a new report by a federal watchdog.

The administration killed the repository program last year without citing technical or safety issues, and restarting the costly and time-consuming process of finding a permanent repository or an alternative solution could take decades and cost billions of additional dollars, the Government Accountability Office reported yesterday.
Exactly why we need to quit producing it! We already have more than we can manage. There are places DTE could send the waste, they just don't want to pay for it. What sense is saying we can't manage it, let's make more?
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2012, 04:56:54 PM »

No one in their right mind would create a high-level waste radioactive dump on the greatest fresh water resource in the world. Since the only way radioactive waste finally becomes harmless is through decay, which for high-level wastes can take hundreds of thousands of years, the wastes must be stored and finally disposed of in a way that provides adequate protection of the public for a very long time.

http://www.nrc.gov/waste/high-level-waste.html

In fact, there is no reconciling the economics of nuclear unless you are one of the evil-doers profiting off it: http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2011/04/29/29climatewire-why-older-nuclear-power-plants-remain-cash-c-11850.html?pagewanted=all
"The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is preparing a landmark rulemaking that would broadly allocate costs of future high-voltage transmission lines, but is facing opposition from a powerful industry group led by utilities in the Southeast, Michigan and New Jersey." Taxpayers effectively pay for the grid and lines, while big energy profits. How is profiting billions off people a public service?

These scumbags are making money off giving people cancer and other sickness and turning towns into toxic radioactive death traps. They only profit because they are not forced to deal with their WASTE and government keeps taking their bribes.

And do they care about the liability? NO, THEY DO NOT. There is a cap on their liability guaranteed by the stupid government. Surviving taxpayers are liable. There have already been heroes at DTE that have risked and lost life and limb to prevent another nuclear accident in Monroe.
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Re: Tear Down Fermi!
« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2012, 10:19:40 PM »

Exactly why we need to quit producing it! We already have more than we can manage. There are places DTE could send the waste, they just don't want to pay for it. What sense is saying we can't manage it, let's make more?

US laws assign the Department of Energy the responsibility of disposal of spent nuclear fuel and high-level radioactive waste.  Where are these DOE places that you cite?
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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2012, 02:38:56 AM »

US laws assign the Department of Energy the responsibility of disposal of spent nuclear fuel and high-level radioactive waste.  Where are these DOE places that you cite?
Carlsbad, New Mexico, Hanford, Washington, Savannah River, South Carolina, West Valley, New York
Let's even trade with Canada and ship it North. It is not an easy row to hoe, but the first step is to stop producing nuclear waste.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/05/opinion/remember-yucca-mountain.html
At least nine states have banned the construction of new reactors until a permanent storage site is found or progress toward finding one is made.
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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2012, 02:59:23 AM »

We need to bring a "citizens lawsuit" against DTE and Entergy for violating environmental regulations and the NRC for failing to enforce environmental regulations.
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« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2012, 03:25:46 AM »

http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1218/ML12180A497.pdf

PRELIMINARY NOTIFICATION
June 28, 2012
PRELIMINARY NOTIFICATION OF EVENT OR UNUSUAL OCCURRENCE – PNO-III-12-006
This preliminary notification constitutes EARLY notice of events of POSSIBLE safety or public
interest significance. Some of the information may not yet be fully verified or evaluated and is
basically all that is known by the Region III staff on this date.
Facility
Fermi Power Plant, Unit 2
Detroit Edison Company
Monroe, MI
Docket: 50-341
SUBJECT: UNPLANNED SCRAM ON JUNE 25, 2012, DUE TO LOSS OF REACTOR FEED
PUMP
DESCRIPTION:
On June 25, 2012, at 1330 (EDT), during power ascension following repairs to the main
transformer cooling oil pumps, operators of the Unit 2 reactor at the Fermi Power Plant manually
scrammed the reactor. Operators scrammed the reactor at approximately 24 percent power
due to the loss of one reactor feed pump because of high vibrations. The other reactor feed
pump was not in service at the time. All control rods inserted and all plant systems responded
normally to the scram. The NRC resident inspectors were onsite at the time and responded to
the notification of the scram.
On June 26, 2012, at 0521 (EDT), the licensee entered cold shutdown (Mode 4). The licensee
is continuing to investigate the cause of the high vibrations on the reactor feed pump and the
subsequent damage to the pump that was identified following the shutdown of the reactor. The
NRC resident inspectors continue to follow the issue.
This preliminary notification is issued for information only.
Region III received initial notification of this occurrence by a telephone call from the resident
inspector’s office (RIO) at approximately 1400 (EDT) on June 25, 2012 (refer to Event
Notification No. 48047).



Health Monitoring of Rotating
Equipment from Torsional
Vibration Features

Martin W. Trethewey

Department of Mechanical and Nuclear Engineering
Penn State University

April 13, 2007

Nuclear
BWR Recirculation Pumps

• NRC Information Note 2005-08
– April 2005

Many Byron Jackson (now Flowserve) RRP shafts have been inspected

– ALL have some thermal cracking at thermal barrier
– Axial cracks
– Generally benign

Dangerous Circumferential Cracks

– Axial thermal cracks change direction under mechanical loading
– Fast growing
– Can cause catastrophic shaft failure

General Electric recommends ALL pumps with 80,000 hours service be
inspected and monitored for cracks

TVA Nuclear
Shaft Crack History

Browns Ferry - Reactor Feed Pump

– October 1979

Browns Ferry - Recirculation Pump

– January 1984

Watts Barr - Main Feed Pump

Sequoyah - Centrifugal Charging Pump

– July 1981
– January 1994
– April 1999

Sequoyah - Reactor Coolant Pump

– October 2000
– April 2002
– Spring 2005

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:mmKGcNwixNwJ:www.esm.psu.edu/wiki/_media/research:cjl9:trethewey_me.pdf+Reactor+feed+pump+wiki&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShkCNxXYv1ZF7G0V8zSmUdDSM8CYlVyZvb2Q_Iij361eG83pCeeMo5HNBGG9I9jXyrzyh3zjlzdqI37QqVTXcg14iNYD43Z4ds5EDOJrKLTR4bikLeLI4ZwK6PQduBvfrRvDuDd&sig=AHIEtbSQ8uHqQSPU1Qz11jmLbTTdhc61qA


Fermi 2’s most notable mishap occurred on Christmas Day of 1993. The results of this accident was the dumping of hundreds of gallons of radioactive water directly into Lake Erie.
 
The catastrophic failure of the main turbine at Fermi 2, Christmas Day 1993
 
The main turbine automatically tripped due to an erroneous mechanical  overspeed signal caused by high vibrations. The reactor, which was  operating at 93 percent power, received an automatic scram signal triggered  by the turbine trip. The high vibration was caused by catastrophic failure of  the turbine blades. Ejected blade parts ripped through the turbine casing  and severed condenser tubes and other piping. The rupture of piping  supplying hydrogen gas to the generator for cooling caused a large fire. The  plant’s fire brigade took 37 minutes to muster, dress, and enter the turbine  building to fight the fire. Their efforts were hindered by numerous  communication problems, including malfunctions of personnel motion  detectors (e.g., “man down” alarms).
 
About 500,000 gallons of water from broken general service water piping  and turbine building closed cooling water piping flooded the radwaste  building basement to a depth of approximately six feet. Workers were slow  to isolate the systems with broken piping to terminate the flooding, due to  the total lack of procedures for a turbine building internal flood. The  severed  condenser tubes permitted water from Lake Michigan to flow into  the condenser hotwell, from where it was pumped to the condensate  storage tank. The standby feedwater system pumped water from the  condensate storage tank to the reactor vessel. The lake water caused  conductivity and chloride levels of the reactor vessel water to significantly  exceed specifications. (Fermi 2 Outage report  December 25, 1993 to  January 18,  1995 (1.1 years))

With 500 tons of spent fuel in a spent fuel pool located 5 floors above the ground at Fermi 2, there is another inconceivable and highly concerning problem facing the safe operation of the facility. Welds in the original blueprints from 1970 that were supposed to be built in to bolster vertical beams connecting the walls to the floors were never built in. According to Keegan, “So in 2010 discovery of missing welds that appeared on 1970 blue prints prevented the procedure of lifting the 125 tons of spent fuel bundles from the 5th floor down to ground with the crane. The floors and ceilings could not bare the load of the crane because welds were missing on the vertical beams. The crane is rated at 125 tons.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/04/06/fighting-the-legacy-of-enrico-fermi/

DTE FERMI application to defer weld examinations: http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML0207/ML020720683.pdf

They know, they don't care about anything but money.
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