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[Flanders]

I guess it sounds like a good deal.  But as far as car traffic, I never understood the need for a new bridge, it always seemed easy to cross the acutal bridge, it was customs that was the huge hold up.

[jbs49238]

No need to argue with marilyn.  As she seems opposed to everything.

Flanders, I do not think car traffic is the aim of the bridge, although a third passage should minimize ALL wait times.

[marilyn.monroe]

No need to argue with marilyn.  As she seems opposed to everything.

Flanders, I do not think car traffic is the aim of the bridge, although a third passage should minimize ALL wait times.

Feel free to address the issues I raised. The Canadians aim to import more products and trash into the USA and tear down American neighborhoods to spare theirs. China aims to supply all the steel and corporate aims to give workers the right to work for less in hazardous conditions. But don't worry, the magic Canadian elves will pay for everything the Feds don't. Michigan deserves better!

[jbs49238]

Feel free to address the issues I raised. The Canadians aim to import more products and trash into the USA and tear down American neighborhoods to spare theirs. China aims to supply all the steel and corporate aims to give workers the right to work for less in hazardous conditions. But don't worry, the magic Canadian elves will pay for everything the Feds don't. Michigan deserves better!

You are contradicting yourself.  You are saying the government is going to build the bridge but is going to use non-union right to work contractors?  Why would they import Chinese steel when there is an overabundance of steel plants within walking distance?  YOU are really worried about DelRay?  When was the last time you visited?  Do you even know where DelRay is?  DelRay has about a 70% abandoned house ratio... folks there go to River Rouge or Ecorse for a classy night out.  Buying out those homes at fair market value would be doing the owners a favor.

Folks died building the Toledo I-280 span over the Maumee and that was a full union "safe" work environment.  You cannot stop accidents.

You are doing nothing but employing scare tactics and forwarding ideas that you read from some opinion pieces.  You seem to me to be nothing more than an obstructionist that will fight any advancements for whatever reason just so you have a reason to argue.

First it was trash, then it was DelRay, then it was some crazy "right to work" thing, then it was individual rights for some reason, then it was "I hate Canada and their elves".  What will the Maroun family tell you next that you will buy into 100%?  Are you on their payroll?

[lordfly]

A little knowledge is dangerous....

[marilyn.monroe]

You are contradicting yourself.  You are saying the government is going to build the bridge but is going to use non-union right to work contractors?  Why would they import Chinese steel when there is an overabundance of steel plants within walking distance?  YOU are really worried about DelRay?  When was the last time you visited?  Do you even know where DelRay is?  DelRay has about a 70% abandoned house ratio... folks there go to River Rouge or Ecorse for a classy night out.  Buying out those homes at fair market value would be doing the owners a favor.

Folks died building the Toledo I-280 span over the Maumee and that was a full union "safe" work environment.  You cannot stop accidents.

You are doing nothing but employing scare tactics and forwarding ideas that you read from some opinion pieces.  You seem to me to be nothing more than an obstructionist that will fight any advancements for whatever reason just so you have a reason to argue.

First it was trash, then it was DelRay, then it was some crazy "right to work" thing, then it was individual rights for some reason, then it was "I hate Canada and their elves".  What will the Maroun family tell you next that you will buy into 100%?  Are you on their payroll?

I backed up my safety claim with facts. The Gov's agreement will include Chinese steel. Why? Because the US Gov owes China and relies on China to loan more money and that is what Canada wants to pay for. Those steel plants aren't even AMERICAN owned. Yes, I do worry about private property rights! I really have no use for Maroun other than he gives it to government and they deserve it.

[marilyn.monroe]

I do hate the fact Canada uses Michigan as a dumping ground! ********.

[sammy]

You gotta watch out when Marilyn is on the forum; he/she/it jumps from branch to branch like a monkey looking for a banana. When it spies  the banana, it might go anywhere else in the world. Canada is out to get us because Granny was born in Canada. Gotta wonder if the banana-seeker also thinks we may be under attack from Kenya, since the President "was born in Kenya".Saw it on the internet today that the president's grandma saw him born in Kenya, so it MUST be true, doncha think?

[sammy]

I do hate the fact Canada uses Michigan as a dumping ground! ********.

Do you have any idea how many dollars and jobs are created by Michigan accepting trash from Canada?

[T-M-T]

I do hate the fact Canada uses Michigan as a dumping ground! ********.

Check the facts.  The Toronto garbage that was moving to the landfill in Carleton stopped years ago, thanks to Debbie Stabenow.

Many, many tons of hazardous waste (not to be confused with the household garbage that was moving to Carleton) continues to move into Canada from the U.S.  Maybe we should shut down those pesky manufacturing plants over here.

And, yes, Sammy, Marilyn is one very confused person who never lets facts get in the way.

[Collegekid]

Why is it so terrible to let the bridge be developed privately? The land is already developed and the trusses are built. Make way for more Canadian waste.

Because a private company has no business running international crossings. We need to find a way to buy the Ambassador Bridge for that very same reason.

[marilyn.monroe]

Traditionally, the management of waste has been regulated by state and local governments. This authority has been restricted by the courts, including the United States Supreme Court, who have ruled that waste is an “article of interstate commerce.” Since it is the responsibility of Congress to regulate interstate commerce, it is questionable whether restrictions imposed by state or local governments on interstate waste are legally enforceable.

The importation of waste into Michigan is further complicated by the fact that trash is imported from another country, Canada. This raises the question of whether foreign waste is protected by the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Proponents of Canadian trash imports argue that NAFTA and other international trade agreements essentially require that “products” (waste) from Canada (and Mexico) not be disadvantaged because of their foreign origin and that Canadian trash imports can only be subjected to the same restrictions that Michigan is allowed to impose on waste from other states.

Does Michigan ship hazardous waste to Canada?

According to the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ), in 2002 Michigan shipped 45,000 tons of hazardous waste to Canada. However, in 2003, Michigan exports to Canada decreased by 38% to fewer than 28,000 tons. This number is dwarfed by the over 9.4 million cubic yards of waste Michigan received from Canada in 2003 alone.

http://www.stabenow.senate.gov/general-13Jan2011/stoptrash/faq.htm



 Go jump off your Chinese/Canadian bridge!

[Collegekid]

Construction is America's most deadly occupation, especially in states that have the "right to work". There very well good be fatalities involved.

There will be. There is never any large scale construction project that doesn't have one or two fatalities. The chance that people could die in an accident is not a reason to not create jobs.

Heck, I could get an infected paper cut, maybe we shouldn't print newspapers anymore either.

[Collegekid]

Go jump off your Chinese/Canadian bridge!

Why? None of that proves any point other than we are good trading partners, and each creates jobs in the others country.

If you don't like the type of jobs, feel free to contact your representatives and complain.

Also using numbers from 2002 and 2003 are not proving anything, those are a decade old. Furthermore, I'd trade that much hazardous waste for regular garbage any day.

[marilyn.monroe]

Why? None of that proves any point other than we are good trading partners, and each creates jobs in the others country.

If you don't like the type of jobs, feel free to contact your representatives and complain.

Also using numbers from 2002 and 2003 are not proving anything, those are a decade old. Furthermore, I'd trade that much hazardous waste for regular garbage any day.

You vote your way, I'll vote mine. The Chinese people think we are such great partners they are jumping off the roofs.