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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2012, 11:04:06 PM »

Here. I'll offer a "WHAT THE HECK!" Quran.


Chapter 67 of the Quran:

We (God/Allah) have adorned the heavens with stars, and We made such stars as missiles to drive away the Evil Ones.

WHAT THE HECK!? The stars are a missile defense system against evil spirits!?

Next time you see a falling star, know that "WE" got em!
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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 01:43:14 AM »

Everyone have a read of God's Word; and see if it is all really worthy of the ridicule and mockery Xerxes lends to it...for purposes of self-aggrandizement, and childish amusement.

1Co 11:1  Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
1Co 11:2  Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
1Co 11:3  But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1Co 11:4  Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Co 11:5  But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6  For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1Co 11:7  For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8  For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9  Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10  For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
1Co 11:11  Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1Co 11:12  For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
1Co 11:13  Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1Co 11:14  Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
1Co 11:15  But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
1Co 11:16  But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
1Co 11:17  Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.
1Co 11:18  For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Co 11:19  For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
1Co 11:20  When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21  For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1Co 11:22  What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
1Co 11:23  For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24  And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25  After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26  For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27  Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28  But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29  For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30  For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31  For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32  But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1Co 11:33  Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
1Co 11:34  And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

1Sa 18:25  And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
1Sa 18:26  And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.
1Sa 18:27  Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.
1Sa 18:28  And Saul saw and knew that the LORD was with David, and that Michal Saul's daughter loved him.
1Sa 18:29  And Saul was yet the more afraid of David; and Saul became David's enemy continually.
1Sa 18:30  Then the princes of the Philistines went forth: and it came to pass, after they went forth, that David behaved himself more wisely than all the servants of Saul; so that his name was much set by.

Num 5:1  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 5:2  Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:
Num 5:3  Both male and female shall ye put out, without the camp shall ye put them; that they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell.
Num 5:4  And the children of Israel did so, and put them out without the camp: as the LORD spake unto Moses, so did the children of Israel.
Num 5:5  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 5:6  Speak unto the children of Israel, When a man or woman shall commit any sin that men commit, to do a trespass against the LORD, and that person be guilty;
Num 5:7  Then they shall confess their sin which they have done: and he shall recompense his trespass with the principal thereof, and add unto it the fifth part thereof, and give it unto him against whom he hath trespassed.
Num 5:8  But if the man have no kinsman to recompense the trespass unto, let the trespass be recompensed unto the LORD, even to the priest; beside the ram of the atonement, whereby an atonement shall be made for him.
Num 5:9  And every offering of all the holy things of the children of Israel, which they bring unto the priest, shall be his.
Num 5:10  And every man's hallowed things shall be his: whatsoever any man giveth the priest, it shall be his.
Num 5:11  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 5:12  Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
Num 5:13  And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
Num 5:14  And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
Num 5:15  Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
Num 5:16  And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
Num 5:17  And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
Num 5:18  And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:19  And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:20  But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
Num 5:21  Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
Num 5:22  And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
Num 5:23  And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
Num 5:24  And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
Num 5:25  Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
Num 5:26  And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Num 5:27  And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
Num 5:28  And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
Num 5:29  This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Num 5:30  Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
Num 5:31  Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.
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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 02:00:08 AM »

Less, do you think posting the verses themselves will make it any less absurd?

They say everything I pointed out. I didn't change the meaning of any of what I said.

Women were shamed for uncovered heads.
Women were made to drink bitter magic water, but the men weren't.
And David brought foreskins for Saul, at his request.


Keep posting verses like that and you'll aid my cause.

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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2012, 09:25:27 AM »

Isaiah 55:11  So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Openly mocking the Word of God using words/phrases like "arbitrary", "superstitious whims", "no ground of reality", "invisible angels", "misogyny", "black magic", "weird things not supported by reality.",  "Here, My King, a bucket of Philistine penis"...or whatever filth you post in your mocking tone...to encourage people to shake their fist in God's face, doubt, ridicule, or simply dismiss and deny His authority/power over His whole creation is "asking for it"...So you keep mocking, and I will keep posting scripture - let's see who wins in the end, shall we?

Again: 2 Peter 3 TOLD believers you guys would come along: and one of my favorite Bible orators explained it quite well ...

"They attempt to attack the reality of Christ's return, Christ's judgment by ridicule. It isn't an intellectual argument, it's an emotional one. It's not a strong logical argument, it is really simply intimidation of something that is ridiculed as a silly belief for weak, non-intellectual minds. It plays on disappointment. That still works today on some who are intimidated by the so-called intellectual elite who will deny the return of Christ."

"[They say]...cataclysmic events don't happen, they just don't happen. Things like great divine intervention and judgment, that doesn't happen."

I know you want God to prove His existence to you and strike you with lightening right now where you sit, because as John MacArthur preached that is how all you guys are - but - I would just strongly advise you really know for certain He doesn't exist before you continue -

"In fact, it's not even new. You want to go back into the Old Testament and you can find those who mocked God. You can go back into Isaiah 5 and hear that terrible mocking of verse 19, the sinners say to God, "Let Him make speed, let Him hasten His work that we may see it, let the purpose of the Holy One of Israel draw near and come to pass that we may know it." The prophets said God's going to judge you, and the mockers said...Well then let Him have at it, let Him do it, hurry up, God, if You're really there and You're going to judge us, let's see You do it. They shake their fists in God's face, mocking the prospect of judgment. No, that isn't anything new, it's always been around. There have always been those who mocked the threat of judgment, mocked the promise of judgment. Nothing new at all...So, says Peter, in the last days mockers will come with their mocking."

...your move loud mouth!

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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2012, 09:44:18 AM »

Less..

A question for you, and I want to frame it not as an attack, but as a serious question.  I was raised christian, and as such was told the bible was the word of God.  However, over time, logic and reason set in that allowed me to view the bible as a rough guide, not a literal set of instructions.

Clearly there are multipe instances of scriptures that directly contradict and violate the will of God.

How do you explain this?
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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2012, 04:41:25 PM »

...to encourage people to shake their fist in God's face, doubt, ridicule, or simply dismiss and deny His authority/power over His whole creation is "asking for it"...

Argument ad Baculum. No one is scared.


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...your move loud mouth!

As one who grew up in church and witnessed those who *do* keep Jesus commands, and those who *do not* you do NOT. Jesus said, "Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks." And, "You'll know them by their fruit." Your sarcasm and insults are proof of your carnality. But you just don't get it. What did Paul tell you your speech should be like to unbelievers?

Yes, my thread can strike one as antagonistic, but you, as a Christian, are to remain kind and loving, right? Oh, wait! Jesus called the religious frauds vipers and one a fox, so it's alright to be aggressive for Jesus. Typical mindset of those who don't get it.
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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012, 05:05:38 PM »

Animal Cruelty - Leviticus 20:15


If a man has sex with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal.



WHAT THE HECK!? What did the animal do! Why not free that poor molested creature, rather than kill it!?

"Run!" cried the Hebrew girl, to her pet dog. "Run away! Run into the woods! They're going to kill you because Uncle Asher molested you!"

People believe these are the commandments of the One True God?


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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2012, 07:06:22 PM »

wait a second...

You are the proud denier and rejecter - and you're telling me how to act/speak because you know more about the faith than I do?  You've got the DISCERNEMENT, and I don't?  Really?

You're doing all you can to tear it down, and destroy other people's faith in Christ and the Bible - and - there are RULES I have to follow when dealing with your kind?

MacArthur spoke to you in that sermon, as much as he spoke to believers ... direct speech is direct speech; if I warn you that you are at risk of spending eternity in hell, that's LOVE buddy!
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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2012, 07:20:09 PM »

wait a second...

You are the proud denier and rejecter - and you're telling me how to act/speak because you know more about the faith than I do?  You've got the DISCERNEMENT, and I don't?  Really?

The commands of Jesus, Paul, and Peter are pretty clear.


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You're doing all you can to tear it down, and destroy other people's faith in Christ and the Bible - and - there are RULES I have to follow when dealing with your kind?

According to Jesus, Peter, and Paul you do.


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MacArthur spoke to you in that sermon, as much as he spoke to believers ... direct speech is direct speech; if I warn you that you are at risk of spending eternity in hell, that's LOVE buddy!

You expect me to believe you debate in love? Er... Sorry, that's laughable.

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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2012, 08:28:23 PM »

Flanders,

You used the phrase "the will of God" in asking your question...given that is what you meant, and given that we are smack-dab right in the middle of Xerxes onslaught of ridicule of the Word of God(as well as his assertion that he knows how I ought to approach unbelievers - despite already knowing his attitude towards Christ and the Bible by his own admission); I will say why don't we start addressing "the will of God" from the same chapter of 2 Peter 3 where I have been pointing out how/why/where guys like Xerxes come from ...

I believe "the will of God" is stated in verse 9 "... "that all should come to repentance."

So, what in the Bible would show God(who wants a reconciliation with sinful man) contradict or violate that?

Sadly, Xerxes wants to tell me I have to OBEY Christ/Peter/Paul and "come at him" in love, with all meekness, temperance, and longsiffering because he clearly places himself in the camp of unbelievers by choice - after thorough study; and he now summarily rejects the Bible, the miracles of Jesus, and the existence of God - he wants to "cage" me, and frame the debate, and I am not going to let that happen since I am well aware that he seeks only to ensnare or embarrass me on a public forum, rather than PROVE God doesn't exist and "save" humanity via the "war on Christianity" that he has signed up for.

So, giving you the benefit of the doubt; trusting that you sincerely want an answer, I say again - the will of God is that all men come to repentance, and reside in Heaven for eternity.

(sorry to answer both of you at the same time, but, I think that helps to keep my reasoning/belief/faith in context).


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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2012, 08:42:33 PM »

The commands of Jesus, Paul, and Peter are pretty clear.


According to Jesus, Peter, and Paul you do.


You expect me to believe you debate in love? Er... Sorry, that's laughable.


Sooo, as long as Jesus, Peter,and Paul can be used to put the smackdown on someone, you are willing to quote them? Since the bible, in your world, is just a bunch of fables, why would you use bible references at all? Just pull out some more philosophical big words, and everyone will be falling at your feet! Just don't use the bible, which you know so well, to prove that those who believe in it are stupid. Just use those many other learned texts, of which you've read so many, to prove your points.
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012, 09:02:03 PM »

I see people are trying to force a false dilemma fallacy. Basic logic ought to be taught in middle schools... but then we'd have a bunch of kids losing faith...


Christians often come up with fallacious ways of getting around their Christ's commandments. It's strange, for many of those who understand what Jesus was saying are not Christians.

Sermon on the Mount:

Jesus says, "Don't be deceived you'll know the heart condition of a man by the fruit of his mouth. Good trees bear good fruit of the lips, showing they are my disciples; those who bear bad fruit show themselves contrary to my commands."

Jesus said, "Be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect." He said this in relation to "turning the other cheek" and "loving your enemies." Then He says, "Why do you call Me Lord, but don't keep my commandments?" Didn't Paul say let your speech always be gentle to the unbelievers? Why? To show you're not like the rest of the *lost* world.

Don't play dumb. Jesus makes it clear that your words and behavior in the face of persecution prove whether or not you love him and abide in his commandments and word. But these Christians who wish to play dumb, use insults and sarcasm, which Paul calls the works of the flesh and carnality.

If you're going to name Jesus, at least follow him. As the Bible says, "Because of you My name is blasphemed among the unbelievers." Personally, I admire a man who keeps the commands of Jesus; although, I'll strongly disagree with some of absurd his beliefs, such as everlasting torment for 50 years of sin.

Christians claim that upon belief you get a helper, the Holy Spirit, and this makes Christians different, in that they now have the power and aid to live a righteous life, but you do NOT find any special power that comes with belief. Christians are just as proud, arrogant, and undisciplined as everyone else, but they have the authority to condemn gays to hell, and threaten me with everlasting torment.

It's just another one of those WHAT THE HECK!? kinda things.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2012, 09:41:56 PM »

Oh, I love it; a false dilemma fallacy. Not philosophy this time, but just logic. As if everyone just studies logic as a matter of course. Just another "I'm smarter than you" post. And FYI, I ain't gonna study no logic books so I can reply to you in kind.You should hook up with that guy that tries to get folks to talk about houses painted pink without permission, and stuff like that. You and he would have a high old time trading philosophical barbs. You and he is just too smart for the rest of us.
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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2012, 09:47:41 PM »

Less

Thanks, it was a sincere question.  Perhaps "will of God" was not the correct phrase.  Personally, I could not overcome things in the bible that contradicted what I the general ideas of christianity are.  For example the killings and war in the name of God, and so on.  This was my main struggle with religion.  How do you overcome these things?
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Re: The *WHAT THE HECK!* Bible
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2012, 09:51:09 PM »

Back to the topic.


Slavery & Racism


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46)


Beating Slaves


When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.  (Exodus 21:20-21)


WHAT THE HECK!? You can beat your slaves, provided they live after a few days, for they are your property!?


These commands were given by the One True Holy and Loving God?
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