Xerxes; you still got nothin'
Saying that doesn't make it true.
This is Flanders' question: WHY the wars in the name of religion, WHY the "hate" as you call it(rather than understanding the Creator is expressing His ATTITUDE about thoughts/words/deeds deemed disruptive, or harmful to oneself/His creation) - as Hovind says: if there is a Creator, there are rules set forth by Him - and since I believe I was created, WHY would I argue with the Creator.
Hovind can prove Yahweh as Creator, as much as a Muslim can prove Allah is Creator. Just because people have so-called *Holy Books* to back them doesn't make their claims in invisible deities true. You have to understand the circular reasoning
of such things.
Don't get me wrong, I am FREE to disobey - and you are FREE to deny; but your desire to "war" with the General Principles of Christianity wherever they are rooted, appear, or are common/culturally accepted is actually an act of aggression that, once again, cannot be proven to be beneficial BECAUSE world history demonstrates that Godless people only steal, kill, and destroy things[and as an aside Flanders: I am against these wars that Israel/United States are perpetrating that have/are murdering countless thousands of innocent - it is NOT Christian at all]
The war against Christianity isn't with guns and knifes, it's with education, science, and the principles of logic.
History has shown that people without a god only steal, kill, and destroy? Where do you come up with this? The god of the Bible murdered, roughly, 40,000,000 people in the Bible, through wars, a flood, etc., etc.. Moses called this god, "A man of War.
" Religious people, who have a god, have slaughtered people for ages for not bowing to their invisible deities, or for not keeping to absurd arbitrary commands not founded in reason, but in obsessive compulsive superstition.
No doubt, atheistic men have slaughtered people for their insane causes, but so have religious men. It's the person and their views, not a god or absence of a god. Again, I don't oppose all views of god, only those which are absurd and harmful, such as Christianity's oppression of homosexuals and the child abuse of teaching children of eternal torment and separation.
Xerxes, you cannot PROVE, and nor can I; but spiritually speaking - having a conscience, too many things in nature that are unexplainable, and historical evidence that willful obedience and encouragement of the basic MORAL tenets of Judeo-Christian theology BENEFITS humanity - and you cannot prove it does not, when it is done properly is more than enough evidence for the existence of God.
Just because things aren't understood right now doesn't mean the possible biblical anthropomorphical fallacy is true. It's a god of the gaps argument. There are other explanations that don't require Yahweh.
Satan has a mighty arsenal to keep people from believing on Christ. Your arguments are the least worrisome. Guys as smart as you often become church leaders, being as well versed as you are, you could bilk people out of millions because you'll "always have a learned answer"; it's just a matter of how good a salesman you are.
It's always Satan. Ever think about the alternatives? Maybe bad things happen according to the natural flow of nature? I can see someone using the idea of a metaphorical devil, as the Buddhists employ Mara (the wicked one), but to expect people to believe in literal warring invisible angels requires proof
If you want to put forth the workings of nature as proof that the allegory of a Devil is at work within the minds of men, then alright, but it only makes sense as a romanticized allegory. But hey, I'm a romanticist myself and love employing allegories, like Mara and demons.
Perhaps you'll soon find out, your current approach won't make you rich or famous; and you don't really have a count of how many "decision cards" for atheism Hitchens accumulated - fact is - he was exposing Christian hypocrites, not converting people to atheism.
I don't wish to become famous. If I did, I wouldn't be chatting on here all the time. And Hitchens won scores to atheism. Ever read God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything
, by Christopher Hitchens?
I am secure in my thought patterns/approach to this life...it's been fun rebutting your ridicule, and I will keep it up as long as you do...but I don't think you have converted anyone; you just have a small cheering section of fans on this insignificant forum who already HATE the idea of having moral cords from a Divine source monitor their conduct in thought/word/deed in any way...and that, is unrealistic.
Don't underestimate the power of strong reason. It's possible a guest reading has considered the things I've said and that these seeds will bear fruit later, which will in turn bear even more fruit. But again, I'm not out to win people to atheism. I encourage people to be spiritual, but have an intelligent spirituality that evolves with our growth in science and knowledge.
Ever think our morality and spirituality need an upgrade to fit our times and knowledge?