MonroeTalks.com > Categories > Religion & Philosophy > Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?


Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?  (Read 635 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

MonroeMonkey

  • Guest
Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?
« on: June 22, 2012, 12:41:25 AM »

Believe it, or not, I think there's an afterlife. There's some compelling anecdotal evidence in favor of there being validity to NDE's. Although, I don't buy into the ones claimed to have been discovered through hypnosis.

The world's leading researcher of NDE's is Dr. Jeffery Long of the Near Death Experience Research Foundation. After studying over a thousand cases he wrote a book about them. Some of the compelling arguments are these:

1. The experiences are ordered and sensible, unlike typical drug induced or schizophrenic hallucinations.

2. Those who experience these see friends or loved ones who have previously died, as opposed to seeing people that are alive.

3. 360 degree panoramic vision.

4. The ability to accurately explain what was going on as this consciousness floated above their bodies.

Those are just a few.


If these are genuine experiences of an afterlife, this won't sit well with certain faiths, such as Christianity, as many NDE's contradict their view of salvation, heaven, and the afterlife. The British Journal of Psychiatry released a study done on 400 Americans and 400 people of India. Of those who saw religious figures, the Americans saw Jesus, whereas the Easterners saw a Bodhisattva, or Yama, or another figure of their faith. This is another anecdotal indication that NDE's are subject to the person's beliefs.

The Upanishads from 1000 BC give their take on this, saying, "When a man dies, his consciousness enters into the Light of Brahman, which is pure Consciousness. Like salt dissolving into water, and becoming one with the water, so the individual consciousness merges into Brahman. And there (in the afterlife) he perceives things according to the past impressions and deeds of his life."

Hinduism teaches the ultimate reality is Pure Consciousness, so the deeds and memories of one's life makes impressions on a subtle astral plane of consciousness, which goes on after death. This accumulation of information will influence how the afterlife is perceived. The Buddhist Tibetan Book of the Dead also speaks of the Light, and floating above one's body, as is common in NDE's.


The AWARE Study

Dr. Sam Parnia of Weill Cornell Medical College has been running a five year study of NDE's. Twenty-five medical centers of North America and Europe have installed shelves, with pictures on them, in cardiac arrest units. NDE's are most common in cardiac arrest patients, who often report floating at the top of the room and observing the events taking place.

The results are supposed to come later this year, 2012, or early 2013. If people are able to identify these pictures it will shake up our view of the nature of consciousness itself. I look forward to the results. I won't be surprised if they produce positive results.

With all this said, I don't expect anyone to accept anecdotal claims, unless the tests have been repeated and found to bear positive results.

« Last Edit: June 22, 2012, 09:59:15 AM by Xerxes »
Logged

livewire

  • Hero Talker
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 10252
  • "SHALL NOT be infringed". Got it?
Re: Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 08:33:29 AM »



3. 365 degree panoramic vision.



So, does this mean they see double, when looking at the extra 5 degrees of vision?
Or is geometry different after you're dead? 

 ;D
Logged
When I was a little boy, my mother spoke of a prophecy, of a time when all the world would be covered in darkness and the fate of all of mankind would be decided. One night I finally got the courage to ask my mother why God had changed, why He was so angry with His children. “I don’t know,” she said as she tucked the covers around me. “I guess He just got tired of all the bullshlt.”

MonroeMonkey

  • Guest
Re: Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 09:57:55 AM »

So, does this mean they see double, when looking at the extra 5 degrees of vision?
Or is geometry different after you're dead? 

 ;D

Lol. Oops! It must be one of those extra dimensions string theorists are talking about!
Logged

Flanders

  • Hero Talker
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2196
Re: Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 03:37:20 PM »

Wow, those resluts would be amazing if they could identify the pictures.
Logged

MonroeMonkey

  • Guest
Re: Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 04:47:50 PM »

Wow, those resluts would be amazing if they could identify the pictures.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if they did; I'd be more surprised if this doesn't come back with positive results. There's been similar studies done on out of body experiences.

These two guys both claims to have had positive results working with someone who has frequent OBE's.

Charles Tart is an American psychologist and parapsychologist known for his psychological work on the nature of consciousness (particularly altered states of consciousness), as one of the founders of the field of transpersonal psychology, and for his research in scientific parapsychology. He earned his Ph. D. in psychology from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill in 1963.

Stanley Krippner is an American psychologist, and an executive faculty member and Professor of Psychology at Saybrook University in San Francisco. Formerly, Krippner was director of the Kent State University Child Study Center (of Kent, Ohio), and director of the Maimonides Medical Center Dream Research Laboratory (of Brooklyn, New York).


Here's a video with them explaining their independent research.


Scientist Targ proof OBE


It could be these guys are lying, as it would help book sales, but it could be these independent studies are legit. Time will tell.

Logged

marilyn.monroe

  • Hero Talker
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 9218
Meet the boy who says he visited heaven and saw Jesus
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 08:45:02 AM »

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42191453/ns/today-today_news/t/meet-boy-who-says-he-visited-heaven-saw-jesus/

“When he told us about his sister in heaven, that we hadn’t told him about, [it was] another one of those ‘holy cow’ moments — OK, he can’t make this stuff up, he can’t invent this; no memory was planted,” Todd told Lauer. “But the peace that came over us, and the healing, like, ‘Wow, I have a daughter in heaven waiting for me’ — I think a lot of people need that type of hope and healing, too. And I think that’s what a lot of people are finding when they hear Colton’s testimony, to know what they have to look forward to.”
Logged

MonroeMonkey

  • Guest
Re: Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 05:17:32 PM »

I've researched that story. There's a few possibilities.


1. It's exaggerated with the help of his father, who wrote a book about it.

2. This is proof that we see what we're conditioned to see.

3. Other options...

While I think there are valid NDE's, others are to be questioned, such as ones remembered by hypnosis, as I mentioned above.

In the case of Colton Burpo, you find a few unrealistic problems. Such as Jesus being a white man, as opposed to appearing as a 1st century Jewish man. Some people see Jesus with blue eyes, some brown, some green. Also, Colton sees a coming war in Heaven where they use *swords, bows, and arrows!* Not nuclear bombs, not missles, but swords and arrows... There are many more questionable things about his account.

When you examine the claim, it makes most sense that he's seeing what he's being conditioned to see, as his father is a pastor and he's been raised and taught in a Christian home. Again, Indians see Yama, or a Bodhisattva, or Lord Krishna, etc. Or it could be the kid, along with his father, is exaggerating, or even making this up for book sales.

While there may be something to these stories, they are definitely subjective to the mind of the individual. You're not going to find a harmonious view of the afterlife from NDE's.


Here's an NDE account of a woman named Jean:

The Light turned a magnificent blue and rolled toward me like an ocean wave. It was not really close to me, but nevertheless I could see the image of Jesus within the blue wave. Love poured out upon me, like warm water. Jesus looked just like he did on the poster in my Sunday School class.  I had the thought that if I had been a Buddhist, perhaps he would look like Buddha, and I was told, "That is right. God appears in a familiar form."

NDE due to respiratory arrest from bronchitis. From the Near Death Experience Research Foundation.


Who knows...
Logged

NewDawn

  • Hero Talker
  • ******
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 351
Re: Near Death Experiences - Evidence of an Afterlife?
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2012, 06:31:31 PM »

I'm a believer.

Too many incidents have happened to myself, relatives and friends.

I also believe in angels.   :)
Logged
everyday is a new beginning....
Pages: [1]   Go Up