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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2012, 08:02:43 AM »

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm

HERE is a summary chart of United States Foreign Aid payments. Data is listed by major recipients, for the ten years from 2001 to 2010.

It has become more difficult to get more recent data, since the FAS stopped presenting their analysis in 2006. Ever since, it is necessary to go to the source data from the US State Department. The State Department is not consistant year-by-year in its data presentation. Entities change, departments change, and file names change. Each year presents a new puzzle, as to how to find the data.




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There is quite a bit of money to work with right there. Tons of money to be saved by auditing the government.
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2012, 11:16:25 AM »

States don't have to expand their role in Medicaid/ ($$$), the penalties on them to under the same ruling.

It will be interesting to see if their is a new tax to pay this portion of Obamacare ?
I considered asking if you had an early morning brain fart but then I realized that I too made an error in one of my posts.   :P
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« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2012, 12:48:49 PM »

I considered asking if you had an early morning brain fart but then I realized that I too made an error in one of my posts.   :P

That seems unlikely for the hallowed one to make a mistake, especially when it's all cut-n-pasta
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2012, 01:13:38 PM »

It has been proposed that obese people get counseling. I posted the article.
You mean doctors are suggesting preventative measures to avoid serious disease?!  8*

Doctors regularly tell at-risk patients to be screened for various diseases and even to visit a nutritionist as a disease prevention tactic. A doctor telling an obese patient to get nutrition and behavior counseling sounds like a pretty responsible prescription, to me, and one with many other precedences, that also saves dollars and lives. No patient is under any legal obligation to do what their doctor says anyhow. It's always an individual decision. I guess I don't understand the part don't you like?

Please don't give me the "broccoli" argument as a reply!!  ;)
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #64 on: July 02, 2012, 09:59:47 AM »

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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #65 on: July 02, 2012, 11:11:58 AM »

I considered asking if you had an early morning brain fart but then I realized that I too made an error in one of my posts.   :P
Ipod typing may lead to more errors - when I'm away from home.  ;D

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« Reply #66 on: July 02, 2012, 11:33:45 AM »

Fact Check: On Keeping Your Current Health Plan
EDITOR'S NOTE: An occasional look at statements by political candidates and how well they adhere to the facts.

WASHINGTON (AP) — In promoting the health care law, President Barack Obama is repeating his persistent and unsubstantiated assurance that Americans who like their health insurance can simply keep it. Republican rival Mitt Romney says quite the opposite, but his doomsday scenario is a stretch.

After the Supreme Court upheld the law last week, Obama stepped forward to tell Americans what good will come from it. Romney was quick to lay out the harm. But some of the evidence they gave to the court of public opinion was suspect.

A look at their claims and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA: "If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance. This law will only make it more secure and more affordable."

ROMNEY: "Obamacare also means that for up to 20 million Americans, they will lose the insurance they currently have, the insurance that they like and they want to keep."

THE FACTS: Nothing in the law ensures that people happy with their policies now can keep them. Employers will continue to have the right to modify coverage or even drop it, and some are expected to do so as more insurance alternatives become available to the population under the law. Nor is there any guarantee that coverage will become cheaper, despite the subsidies that many people will get.

Americans may well end up feeling more secure about their ability to obtain and keep coverage once insurance companies can no longer deny, terminate or charge more for coverage for those in poor health. But particular health insurance plans will have no guarantee of ironclad security. Much can change, including the cost.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the number of workers getting employer-based coverage could drop by several million, as some workers choose new plans in the marketplace or as employers drop coverage altogether. Companies with more than 50 workers would have to pay a fine for terminating insurance, but in some cases that would be cost-effective for them.

Obama's soothing words for those who are content with their current coverage have been heard before, rendered with different degrees of accuracy. He's said nothing in the law requires people to change their plans, true enough. But the law does not guarantee the status quo for anyone, either.

So where does Romney come up with 20 million at risk of losing their current plans?

He does so by going with the worst-case scenario in the budget office's analysis. Researchers thought it most likely that employer coverage would decline by 3 to 5 million, but the range of possibilities was broad: It could go up by as much as 3 million or down by as much as 20 million.

ROMNEY: After saying the new law cuts Medicare by $500 billion and raises taxes by a like amount, adds: "And even with those cuts and tax increases, Obamacare adds trillions to our deficits and to our national debt, and pushes those obligations onto coming generations."

THE FACTS: In its most recent complete estimate, in March 2011, the Congressional Budget Office said the new health care law would actually reduce the federal budget deficit by $210 billion over the next 10 years. In the following decade, the law would continue to reduce deficits by about one-half of one percent of the nation's gross domestic product, the office said.

The congressional budget scorekeepers acknowledged their projections are "quite uncertain" because of the complexity of the issue and the assumptions involved, which include the assumption that all aspects of the law are implemented as written. But the CBO assessment offers no backup for Romney's claim that the law "adds trillions to our deficits."

OBAMA: "And by this August, nearly 13 million of you will receive a rebate from your insurance company because it spent too much on things like administrative costs and CEO bonuses and not enough on your health care."

THE FACTS: Rebates are coming, but not nearly that many Americans are likely to get those checks and for many of those who do, the amount will be decidedly modest.

The government acknowledges it does not know how many households will see rebates in August from a provision of the law that makes insurance companies give back excess money spent on overhead instead of health care delivery. Altogether, the rebates that go out will benefit nearly 13 million people. But most of the benefit will be indirect, going to employers because they cover most of the cost of insurance provided in the workplace.

Employers can plow all the rebate money, including the workers' share, back into the company's health plan, or pass along part of it.

The government says some 4 million people who are due rebates live in households that purchased coverage directly from an insurance company, not through an employer, and experts say those households are the most likely to get a rebate check directly.

The government says the rebates have an average value of $151 per household. But employers, who typically pay 70 to 80 percent of premiums, are likely to get most of that.

ROMNEY: "Obamacare raises taxes on the American people by approximately $500 billion."

THE FACTS: The tax increases fall heavily on upper-income people, health insurance companies, drug makers and medical device manufacturers.

People who fail to obtain health insurance as required by the law will face a tax penalty, although that's expected to hit relatively few because the vast majority of Americans have insurance and many who don't will end up getting it. Also, a 10 percent tax has been imposed on tanning bed use as part of the health care law. There are no other across-the-board tax increases in the law, although some tax benefits such as flexible savings accounts are scaled back. Of course, higher taxes on businesses can be passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices.

Individuals making over $200,000 and couples making over $250,000 will pay 0.9 percent more in Medicare payroll tax and a 3.8 percent tax on investments. As well, a tax starts in 2018 on high-value insurance plans.

OBAMA: "Because of the Affordable Care Act, young adults under the age of 26 are able to stay on their parents' health care plans, a provision that's already helped 6 million young Americans."

THE FACTS: Obama is overstating this benefit of his health law, and his own administration knows better. The Department of Health and Human Services, in a June 19 news release, said 3.1 million young adults would be uninsured were it not for the new law. Obama's number comes from a June 8 survey by the Commonwealth Fund, a health policy foundation. It said 6.6 million young adults joined or stayed on their parents' health plans who wouldn't have been able to absent the law. But that number includes some who switched to their parents' plans from other coverage, Commonwealth Fund officials told the Los Angeles Times.

ROMNEY: "Obamacare is a job-killer."

THE FACTS: The CBO estimated in 2010 that the law would reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by roughly half a percent.

But that's mostly because the law will give many people the opportunity to retire, stay at home with family or switch to part-time work, since they will be able to get health insurance more easily outside of their jobs. That voluntary retreat from the workforce, made possible by the law's benefits, is not the same as employers slashing jobs because of the law's costs, as Romney implies.

The law's penalties on employers who don't provide health insurance might cause some companies to hire fewer low-wage workers or to hire more part-timers instead of full-time employees, the budget office said. But the main consequence would still be from more people choosing not to work.

Apart from the budget office and other disinterested parties that study the law, each side in the debate uses research sponsored by interest groups, often slanted, to buttress its case. Romney cites a Chamber of Commerce online survey in which nearly three-quarters of respondents said the law would dampen their hiring.

The chamber is a strong opponent of the law, having run ads against it. Its poll was conducted unscientifically and is therefore not a valid measure of business opinion.
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #67 on: July 02, 2012, 11:54:29 AM »

Will be interesting to see how long the "waiver" lists gets this year and in the future - so Obama's favorites don't have to follow "all" the changes... 

States will likely get in the waiver business - since it's an option now under the SCOTUS ruling on the Tax and Penalty issues.
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« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2012, 12:38:19 PM »

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« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2012, 12:49:50 PM »

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« Reply #70 on: July 02, 2012, 08:43:52 PM »

An interesting take on thr Supreme Court's decision and Justice Roberts.....

Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.

It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.



Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown threw his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

From the IJ Independent Journal Review.....
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #71 on: July 02, 2012, 08:58:52 PM »

Shhh   They don't want people to really read what the decision said - only that you get your free Obamacare if you vote for him this fall...
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #72 on: July 02, 2012, 09:15:15 PM »

The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

That's not even slightly how the Supreme Court works.

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« Reply #73 on: July 02, 2012, 09:32:39 PM »

That's not even slightly how the Supreme Court works.

Really?  Why don't you enlighten us.  I'm very curious. 

.......I find it interesting that on the front page of the Blade this evening, an article makes not of the lengths the Obama administration is going to not to call the tax....  a tax.
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #74 on: July 02, 2012, 09:39:27 PM »

Shhh   They don't want people to really read what the decision said - only that you get your free Obamacare if you vote for him this fall...

Sadly, Presidential elections in particular now distill down to who can give the most 'free cheese'.  Obama is, a professional. first string, over the top, free cheese giver.  I hope that enough voters can see that.
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