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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #75 on: July 02, 2012, 09:51:37 PM »

Really?  Why don't you enlighten us.  I'm very curious. 

If the Supreme Court's proclamations were invincible, why, for instance, do we no longer have separate but equal?

It's usually the stopping point for the discussion for a generation or two, but that doesn't mean the end-all, be-all, forever-all. See: current attempts to chuck the Voting Rights Act under the bus. Pardon the pun.
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« Reply #76 on: July 02, 2012, 09:52:55 PM »

.......I find it interesting that on the front page of the Blade this evening, an article makes not of the lengths the Obama administration is going to not to call the tax....  a tax.

You're a politician running for re-election. Say you're going to raise taxes. Do you tell people that?

Do you understand that people will never, ever, EVER vote for a raise in taxes? Even if it means no more roads, or an unarmed army, or dead old people, or whatever?

A politician embracing a tax embraces the end of his political career. Period.
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« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2012, 10:02:06 PM »

You're a politician running for re-election. Say you're going to raise taxes. Do you tell people that?

Do you understand that people will never, ever, EVER vote for a raise in taxes? Even if it means no more roads, or an unarmed army, or dead old people, or whatever?

A politician embracing a tax embraces the end of his political career. Period.

EXACTLY

Just what the Justice proposed.  It's a tax.  It purs Obama in a very precarious position as far as reelection.  Now it's the land of a thousand dances, or should we say 'smoke and mirrors' all designed to skirt the actual premise.  It will be up to Rummy how he capitalizes on the situation.  I'm sure it will be very interesting in as much as Rummy's handlers are every bit as astute as Obama's.

Obama is running a deficit campaign and has from the start, IMO.  He promised 'Hope and Change' 4 years ago and didn't deliver, in fact, we regressed.  Will be an interesting November and I'll be here, God willing.
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« Reply #78 on: July 02, 2012, 10:19:30 PM »

I hope the Republicans get the house, senate, presidency, and all the governorships. I always wanted to be in a Mad Max movie.
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #79 on: July 03, 2012, 01:34:26 AM »

An interesting take on thr Supreme Court's decision and Justice Roberts.....

Before you look to do harm to Chief Justice Roberts or his family, it’s important that you think carefully about the meaning – the true nature — of his ruling on Obama-care. The Left will shout that they won, that Obama-care was upheld and all the rest. Let them.

It will be a short-lived celebration.

Here’s what really occurred — payback. Yes, payback for Obama’s numerous, ill-advised and childish insults directed toward SCOTUS.



Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That’s how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything. Ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.

Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax. This is also critical. Recall back during the initial Obama-care battles, the Democrats called it a penalty, Republicans called it a tax. Democrats consistently soft sold it as a penalty. It went to vote as a penalty. Obama declared endlessly, that it was not a tax, it was a penalty. But when the Democrats argued in front of the Supreme Court, they said ‘hey, a penalty or a tax, either way’. So, Roberts gave them a tax. It is now the official law of the land — beyond word-play and silly shenanigans. Obama-care is funded by tax dollars. Democrats now must defend a tax increase to justify the Obama-care law.

Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding. Therefore, a state can decline to participate in Obama-care without penalty. This is obviously a serious problem. Are we going to have 10, 12, 25 states not participating in “national” health-care? Suddenly, it’s not national, is it?

Ultimately, Roberts supported states rights by limiting the federal government’s coercive abilities. He ruled that the government can not force the people to purchase products or services under the commerce clause and he forced liberals to have to come clean and admit that Obama-care is funded by tax increases.

Although he didn’t guarantee Romney a win, he certainly did more than his part and should be applauded.

And he did this without creating a civil war or having bricks thrown threw his windshield. Oh, and he’ll be home in time for dinner.

Brilliant.

From the IJ Independent Journal Review.....


After the immigration ruling last week were you really surprised by this?,
SCOTUS has determined that the mandate is a tax which actually could make it much easier to repeal, but no group of bought and paid for politicians will ever commit career suicide...


I already told you all of this 5 days ago....

Now our job is to find representatives who "get it".  Hint, hint... Romney and Obama aint in that crowd.  Romney will give you lip service, enough to get your vote, but you will be unsatisfied with the results when all is said and done.   My guess is a Romney win DOES NOT equal a repeal of "Obama Care" in full, no matter what promises he is feeding you.

Roberts wasn't thinking as a conservative or "going against the party" he showed you the path as the Constitution lays it out.

Those hemming and hawing about Roberts going "liberal" are no better than the idiots who think his ruling was a victory for Obama.  All partisan hacks... time for REAL LEADERS.... anyone got a plan?
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #80 on: July 03, 2012, 01:41:24 AM »

And please... nobody scream "RON PAUL".... he is nothing more than a Republican that is right on the current "wars" (GOOD) but hates the FED enough to collapse our Nation financially (REALLY, REALLY BAD).

Ron Paul loves rich people way more than he loves the minions that support him.
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« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2012, 08:36:10 AM »

And please... nobody scream "RON PAUL".... he is nothing more than a Republican that is right on the current "wars" (GOOD) but hates the FED enough to collapse our Nation financially (REALLY, REALLY BAD).

Ron Paul loves rich people way more than he loves the minions that support him.
Hello, our Nation is already collasped financially. Ron Paul checks and balances the Republican party, and that's good for America.
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #82 on: July 03, 2012, 08:46:38 AM »

I hope the Republicans get the house, senate, presidency, and all the governorships. I always wanted to be in a Mad Max movie.

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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #83 on: July 03, 2012, 08:50:34 AM »

White House chief of staff Jack Lew repeatedly said today that the penalty for failure to buy health insurance is not a tax, no matter what people are saying about last week's Supreme Court decision.

"This is a penalty," Lew said.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-aide-health-care-penalty-is-not-a-tax/1



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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #84 on: July 03, 2012, 10:07:59 AM »

White House chief of staff Jack Lew repeatedly said today that the penalty for failure to buy health insurance is not a tax, no matter what people are saying about last week's Supreme Court decision.

"This is a penalty," Lew said.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-aide-health-care-penalty-is-not-a-tax/1

Of course they want to stay the political line - not recognizing they are now responsible for a tax on the poor and homeless  :)

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« Reply #85 on: July 03, 2012, 11:53:07 AM »

Of course they want to stay the political line - not recognizing they are now responsible for a tax on the poor and homeless  :)
People who live under the poverty line will receive medicaid. People who live up to 3x's the poverty level will receive tax incentives to purchase insurance. In the first year it is implemented, a person having a AGI of $40,000 would pay $400.

The majority of the taxes that will be raised, will be on companies with more than 50 employees, not offering insurance, and those making more than $250,000.

I'd hardly consider those people poor and homeless.
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« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2012, 01:18:02 PM »

People who live under the poverty line will receive medicaid. People who live up to 3x's the poverty level will receive tax incentives to purchase insurance. In the first year it is implemented, a person having a AGI of $40,000 would pay $400.

The majority of the taxes that will be raised, will be on companies with more than 50 employees, not offering insurance, and those making more than $250,000.

I'd hardly consider those people poor and homeless.

First year is nothing compared to succeeding years.  Tax the very companies that provide the jobs and what do you get.....  Duh.... ;D

Your hero Obama is very close to committing political suicide.....

Maybe Biden 's mouth will do it........ again.
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #87 on: July 03, 2012, 01:19:10 PM »

Of course they want to stay the political line - not recognizing they are now responsible for a tax on the poor and homeless  :)



Love the cartoon.....

I wonder when Biden will 'sieze the moment'......

It's actually aimed directly at the middle class working families, the very people Obama wants to eliminate is his Socialist utopia.  Obama (IMO) wants the very rich (for their support and money) and the very poor (on public assistance in Obama's utopia) and nothing else.

Like I said before, elections will be determined (in the future) by who can offer up the most 'free cheese'.
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Re: Breaking News: Supreme Court Upholds Health-Care Individual Mandate
« Reply #88 on: July 03, 2012, 06:30:08 PM »

People who live under the poverty line will receive medicaid.

Ah, yes good old underfunded Medicaid...   
Most on medicaid still use the ER for their doctors office ...  no savings there! 

Who pay's the tax? - companies or the individual (in the long run if the company pays - then we pay)

In the first year it is implemented, a person having a AGI of $40,000 would pay $400. edited to add what you missed TAX
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Those rich people making 40K  8*
So is that $400/year TAX
or $400/month TAX ???

Can't imagine what benefits a 400/year insurance policy will bring  8)
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« Reply #89 on: July 03, 2012, 07:22:07 PM »

Ah, yes good old underfunded Medicaid...   
Most on medicaid still use the ER for their doctors office ...  no savings there!  

Who pay's the tax? - companies or the individual (in the long run if the company pays - then we pay)
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Those rich people making 40K  8*
So is that $400/year TAX
or $400/month TAX ???

Can't imagine what benefits a 400/year insurance policy will bring  8)

Whole lot of truth in that statement.  I personally know 3 individuals on Medicaid who do just that.

40 grand a year (gross) won't buy groceries, gas for the jalopy and a roof over your head, let alone paying a 'penalty', excuse me TAX for health care that you can't afford in the first place......  Not even close without some 'free cheese'.........

I'm sure Obama will fess up with some cheese.  He's good for at least that......
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