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[Baby Hitler]

[blue2]

I don't really get the part of keeping kids on their parents until they are 26..come on!  When are we going to let them grow up and be responsible.  The democrats motive has always been to get people to the point of being dependent upon them so they keep voting for them.  And of course the republicans cater to the rich so they keep sending them money.  The middle class workers end up paying for all of it yet we keep voting for the same rotten politicians.

[LetsGoWings]

I have to ask why is this 400 tax a good idea on someone with 40,000 of AGI? Won't this 'tax' unfairly affect the poor people?

I would have preferred if the Supreme Court had upheld everything but the individual mandate because people shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance if they do not want it. And, no it it not similar to car insurance because if you don't want to pay car insurance, then you can chose not to drive and take public transportation. The only ways to avoid paying for health insurance now is to die or be so poor that you aren't 'taxed'.

I think the rest of the law is a great starting point to health insurance reform, but there is still a long way to go.

[Pax]

For those of you who have completely missed the point here: the Supremes/SCOTUS has affirmed the Obamacare TAX just as their forebears affirmed the Socialist Security TAX.  The "programs" and the "trust funds" and the "lock boxes" both bits of legislation purported to create are non-existent.  Good slaves pay their taxes and shut the hell up.  And good luck with that, sheeple; you're being fleeced more and more by your presumed overlords every day and don't even realize you haven't any pelts left at all...

[livewire]

http://atr.org/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes-a6996

There's the link. Now if you want to discuss what's going to happen after you read it, that's fine by me.

But PLEASE educate yourself first. Repeatedly asking stupid questions and making ridiculous statements isn't going to help anyone.

This link shows over 500 billion dollars in tax hikes that will be paid by individuals (indirectly, if not directly).  That is all. 

I was commenting on what YOU said, not necessarily what is in the odumbo care law. 

So, with all these additional taxes imposed on health care companies (insurance companies, hospitals, etc.), what do you think that's going to do to health insurance premiums, that we are now FORCED to pay?  Do you have a link for that?

HHmmmmmmm? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

[Baby Hitler]

I don't really get the part of keeping kids on their parents until they are 26.

A lot of kids are still going to college, and this allows their parents to continue to keep them on their insurance. Also, there are kids that are still working low paying jobs trying to make ends meet. This law has helped many kids get the health care they deserve.

[Baby Hitler]

I have to ask why is this 400 tax a good idea on someone with 40,000 of AGI? Won't this 'tax' unfairly affect the poor people?

I would have preferred if the Supreme Court had upheld everything but the individual mandate because people shouldn't be forced to buy health insurance if they do not want it. And, no it it not similar to car insurance because if you don't want to pay car insurance, then you can chose not to drive and take public transportation. The only ways to avoid paying for health insurance now is to die or be so poor that you aren't 'taxed'.

I think the rest of the law is a great starting point to health insurance reform, but there is still a long way to go.

First you say it's going to hurt the poor, but you haven't provided the evidence as to how. It's already been stated that people who are below the poverty line, and even those up to 400% above the poverty line, will receive a tax break to help them purchase insurance. And for those who still can't afford it, there is a hardship grant that will still allow them to get insurance through the public option.

The mandate is what is required in order for the insurance companies to be able to provide insurance to everyone at affordable rates. Again, this whole process is already working with Romneycare.

[Baby Hitler]

This link shows over 500 billion dollars in tax hikes that will be paid by individuals (indirectly, if not directly).  That is all. 

I was commenting on what YOU said, not necessarily what is in the odumbo care law. 

So, with all these additional taxes imposed on health care companies (insurance companies, hospitals, etc.), what do you think that's going to do to health insurance premiums, that we are now FORCED to pay?  Do you have a link for that?

HHmmmmmmm? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I have noticed that you and others frequently refer to Obama as Odumbo. Why can't you use an intelligent conversation as your ammunition rather than childish attacks?

As for the rest of your "argument" yes, I already provided that information as to what is happening in Massachusetts, that Romneycare, that program which Obamacare has been modeled after, is coming along quite nicely.

It's only back a little bit, it has in there how emergency room visits are down, and on and on. I'm sure a smart guy like you can find it.

[LetsGoWings]

First you say it's going to hurt the poor, but you haven't provided the evidence as to how. It's already been stated that people who are below the poverty line, and even those up to 400% above the poverty line, will receive a tax break to help them purchase insurance. And for those who still can't afford it, there is a hardship grant that will still allow them to get insurance through the public option.

The mandate is what is required in order for the insurance companies to be able to provide insurance to everyone at affordable rates. Again, this whole process is already working with Romneycare.

Number 17 in your link and your own post that says $400 for a person with an AGI of 40,000. I would hardly call $40,000 living large.

Based on 2011 a single individual who has an AGI of $40,000, assuming all W-2 wages, has an approximate tax of 3,824. Which is 9.56% of AGI. Assuming your information is correct and a person with an AGI of $40,000 would pay $400 in a new 'tax', that percent goes up to 10.56%. It seems to be that the new $400 tax will hurt them more than it should.

The mandate is not required for that, the mandate was put in to kiss up to the insurance companies for putting all the new regulations on them. Good regulations I might add. Pretty much saying here are all these new guidelines you have to follow, but don't worry we will make sure you have more consumers. The worst thing that could have happened to insurance companies was the individual mandate being stuck down and the rest being kept.

If the whole law got thrown out, then it would have been business as usual.

With the main parts being held constitutional, they have all these new regulations, but they will also get a larger customer base because of it.

If the mandate was struck down and the rest held constitutional, then they would have all these new tough regulations on them without the huge increase in consumer base. On a side note, this is the way I thought the court would rule, so I shorted Aetna based on that. Turns out I was wrong, but still made good money on the short.

[Baby Hitler]

Number 17 in your link and your own post that says $400 for a person with an AGI of 40,000. I would hardly call $40,000 living large.

Based on 2011 a single individual who has an AGI of $40,000, assuming all W-2 wages, has an approximate tax of 3,824. Which is 9.56% of AGI. Assuming your information is correct and a person with an AGI of $40,000 would pay $400 in a new 'tax', that percent goes up to 10.56%. It seems to be that the new $400 tax will hurt them more than it should.

Do you have the figures for how much the tax credit will be for that person to purchase insurance? Or how much of a credit someone might receive if they are already purchasing insurance? If not, I'll try and look it up myself tomorrow.

I do agree about the $40k not to be "living large" as the Median income has dropped to just above $50k

[Baby Hitler]

Also, one has to wonder if someone is making $40k a year, why wouldn't they have insurance? It seems the responsible thing to do. When I had a job making only $9.50 an hour I had insurance.

[LetsGoWings]

Do you have the figures for how much the tax credit will be for that person to purchase insurance? Or how much of a credit someone might receive if they are already purchasing insurance? If not, I'll try and look it up myself tomorrow.

I do agree about the $40k not to be "living large" as the Median income has dropped to just above $50k

I do not, I didn't see it in the link you posted, but I skimmed through parts of it. I will look again, and try and post corrected data with those credits. The only issue will be the estimates will be assuming tax rates will be the same across the board for the indefinite future.

[LetsGoWings]

Also, one has to wonder if someone is making $40k a year, why wouldn't they have insurance? It seems the responsible thing to do. When I had a job making only $9.50 an hour I had insurance.

It would be the responsible thing to do. However, there are the lazy people, the people who never think the will get seriously hurt and need it, possibly too much credit card debt (or other types), too many other expenses. It would make sense that health insurance would take the front seat if someone could afford it because the cost of not having it is potentially huge.

I honestly wouldn't know why someone would not have it at that income, I was lucky to be on my parents plan growing up, and then my employer right out of college provided me all the benefits.

[Professor H]

Also, one has to wonder if someone is making $40k a year, why wouldn't they have insurance? It seems the responsible thing to do. When I had a job making only $9.50 an hour I had insurance.

Now there's a great question!

I too have always had my own insurance since graduation from college and getting a job.    My Daughter makes less than 40K yet she's paying for healthcare for her family. 

I can only speculate that years of people getting "free" medicaid, has perpetuated the thought that you don't really need private healthcare.

Besides the ER is the new Doctors office for many.

I tried to look up the qualifications for Medicaid in Michigan -
they don't want to post it - they want you to call them and make an appointment.
Thus, I don't know what the income limits are to be on it.

[livewire]

This law has helped many kids get the health care they deserve.

Ah, I see.  This is where we differ, FB.  It is a simple difference in how we think things should be, in an ideal world.  Personally, I don't think a 26 year old person is a "kid".  Also, they do not "deserve" health insurance.  Sure, I would like to see everyone healthy, but we need to be realistic as to the costs.  Don't tell me costs will go down, when taxes are skyrocketing.

I have noticed that you and others frequently refer to Obama as Odumbo. Why can't you use an intelligent conversation as your ammunition rather than childish attacks?

Because in my opinion, he doesn't deserve any of my respect.  I respect the office, but not Obama.  He is destroying this country. 

Your entitlement mentality is something I can't change, and my idea of picking yourself up by your bootstraps and taking care of business is something you will never change... no matter how many links you post. 

Bottom line... I do NOT NEED nor WANT the government to try to take care of me!  Every thing they touch turns into a wasteful, bureaucratic mess.  And the health insurance of millions will do that now.