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Election rigging
« on: July 07, 2012, 07:33:59 PM »

The prior thread was removed under the threat of legal action...I believe from Patrica Lesko from the Huffington Post because of this story I posted on MT:
Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Vote? The Michigan GOP.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patricia-lesko/michigan-voting-legislation_b_1276999.html


Among the stories lost:
Rep. Joel Kleefisch allegedly caught voting for absent member
http://www.todaystmj4.com/features/iteam/140096183.html

Possible Voter Fraud by Joel Kleefisch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl5rDhBaRgM&feature=player_embedded#!

"Ghost Voting" in the Wisconsin Assembly Chamber
http://www.nbc26.com/news/covering-wisconsin/140244943.html

And two other stories that YouTube has censored by labeling 'em "private"


One "private" video was:
Keith checks in with Lincoln Davis, a former four-term congressman from Tennessee, to hear an insider's perspective on voter suppression tactics in the state. When he attempted to vote in Tennessee's primary on Tuesday, Davis was told he was not registered and was turned away from the polls. "I may have lost the election after serving four terms in the U.S. House for Fentress County, but I didn't lose my right to vote."
Tune in Weeknights at 8:00/7:00c on Current TV
http://www.current.com/shows/countdown
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

And the other "private" video was:
"Voter fraud is not a 'serious problem,' explains Katrina vanden Heuvel -- lack of voters is"
"Viewpoint" host Eliot Spitzer and Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor and publisher of The Nation, discuss attempts by Republicans in 34 states to pass laws restricting voting. "The great fraud is that we have been told that this is a serious problem," says vanden Heuvel of voter fraud. "Seventy million people, eligible voters, are not voting. We go around this world and preach democracy, when in fact we need universal voter registration [and] same-day, election-day registration."
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Several right-wing MT members also lost their posts....but the value of their contributions was negligible.   :P


A new contribution:
Stealing 2012: The Pattern of Republican Efforts To Make Voting More Difficult
Stealing 2012: The Pattern of Republican Efforts To Make Voting More Difficult
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2012, 07:53:48 PM »

Case Study in How Kris Kobach's Cabal Aims to Remake Election Law
Voting Rights Watch 2012 on July 5, 2012 - 11:14 AM ET

 “Some 1,500 people voted under dead people’s and prisoners’ names from 2008-11, according to Michigan’s auditor general. Many might be clerical errors, but this illustrates the need to ensure accurate voter rolls.”

Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson wrote this in a July 2 Times-Herald column, and she lied.

Johnson is a member of a fifteen-state consortium of right-wing elections officials that’s hellbent on purging voters. And her dishonest jousting in Michigan this week offers a window into how that consortium works—playing fast and loose with facts in order to create the impression of a problem that would justify their hardline solutions, and flouting the law themselves when necessary.

Johnson’s Monday column was a last-ditch effort to persuade Governor Rick Snyder to sign into law her Secure and Fair Elections (SAFE) initiative, including the bills HB 5061 and SB 803, which respectively would force voters to reaffirm their citizenship before receiving a ballot and would require photo ID for absentee voting. Another bill, SB 754, would put onerous restrictions on third-party registration organizations, much like a Florida law that was recently blocked by a federal judge. On Tuesday, Governor Snyder vetoed those three bills, but preserved the rest of Johnson’s SAFE package.

Despite Johnson’s constant refrain on dead people voting, her own Bureau of Elections has already established that there was no actual voter fraud in the auditor general’s report she referenced in her July 2 column.

While it’s true that the auditor general initially found close to 1,500 cases in which a dead or imprisoned person appeared to vote, the Department of State’s Bureau of Elections (BOE) said the auditor general was mistaken on all 1,500 counts (pdf; page 17). The auditor general reports that BOE informed investigators “that in every instance where it appears a deceased person or incarcerated person voted and local records were available, a clerical error was established as the reason for the situation. In addition, the Department [BOE] informed [the auditor general] that in some cases, voters submitted absent voter ballots shortly before they died. The Department informed us that the examples provided did not result in a single verified case that an ineligible person voted.”

Despite this, Johnson is determined to press forward with her original intentions. And regardless of Governor Snyder’s veto of the citizenship reaffirmation bill, Johnson said she will require that ballot application forms have a citizenship checkbox anyway.
More here:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/168733/case-study-how-kris-kobachs-cabal-aims-remake-election-law#
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2012, 07:55:26 PM »

Snyder vetoes voting bills in Michigan
LANSING -- Republican Gov. Rick Snyder angered members of his own party Tuesday by vetoing measures that would have required some voters to show photo identification to get an absentee ballot, forced all voters to reaffirm they were U.S. citizens, and mandated extra training for groups running voter-registration drives.

The measures drew angry protests during committee hearings from voting rights activists and Democrats who said the bills were intended to make it harder to vote for anyone who was poor, elderly, or a minority. Republicans, who have pushed similar rules in other states, said the measures were simply intended to limit voter fraud.

The Michigan secretary of state's office has found a small number of noncitizens who legally had driver's licenses but weren't supposed to be registered to vote. A state audit released in May found instances where votes were cast under the names of prisoners or people who had died, but the office said some voters died after casting absentee ballots and other names were on voter lists because clerks mistakenly crossed off the wrong name.

Mr. Snyder said he vetoed the three bills because they could have created confusion among absentee voters and groups conducting voter-registration drives.

However, he signed 11 other new laws related to elections, including one that requires ballot language to be submitted to the secretary of state before petitions are circulated.

More here:
http://www.toledoblade.com/State/2012/07/05/Snyder-vetoes-voting-bills-in-Michigan.html


Voters have until Monday to register for the Aug. 7 Michigan primary
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120705/POLITICS02/207050386#ixzz1zz5P6oLr
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GOP 'Voter ID' = 'Poll Tax'
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2012, 02:49:08 AM »

"People are 3,615 times more likely to report a UFO sighting than they are to commit in-person voter impersonation, according to national data."

What's More Common: UFO Sightings or Voter Fraud?
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2012, 03:24:43 AM »

New voter ID laws could impact millions, study says
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New laws in 10 states requiring voters to show photo identification will make it more difficult for millions of Americans to cast ballots and likely will drive down turnout among minorities, the poor and elderly, a study said Wednesday.

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School said that one in 10 Americans lack the necessary government-issued photo IDs that now are required in Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin.

Most of the new laws were passed by Republican-controlled legislatures, and the voting blocs that analysts say the laws are most likely to affect typically favor Democrats.

About one-quarter of African Americans, 16 percent of Hispanics and 18 percent of Americans over age 65 do not have the type of ID that the voting laws require, the Brennan Center report said.

"These new laws will make it more difficult for millions of Americans to vote," said Larry Norton of the Brennan Center's Democracy Program. "The idea that we're forcing certain people to go through these very difficult extra hoops is antithetical to some of the founding principals of this country."

The report said that more than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from the nearest full-time state ID-issuing office. About 500,000 of them do not have access to a vehicle, and most live in rural areas with limited public transportation, the report said.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-voteridbre86h1o0-20120718,0,6995110.story
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 12:26:43 PM »


The Michigan secretary of state's office has found a small number of noncitizens who legally had driver's licenses but weren't supposed to be registered to vote. A state audit released in May found instances where votes were cast under the names of prisoners or people who had died, but the office said some voters died after casting absentee ballots and other names were on voter lists because clerks mistakenly crossed off the wrong name.

Gee - and that's not fraud  8*


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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2012, 12:42:04 PM »

New voter ID laws could impact millions, study says

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New laws in 10 states requiring voters to show photo identification will make it more difficult for millions of Americans to cast ballots and likely will drive down turnout among minorities, the poor and elderly, a study said Wednesday.

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School said that one in 10 Americans lack the necessary government-issued photo IDs that now are required in Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin.

Most of the new laws were passed by Republican-controlled legislatures, and the voting blocs that analysts say the laws are most likely to affect typically favor Democrats.

About one-quarter of African Americans, 16 percent of Hispanics and 18 percent of Americans over age 65 do not have the type of ID that the voting laws require, the Brennan Center report said.

"These new laws will make it more difficult for millions of Americans to vote," said Larry Norton of the Brennan Center's Democracy Program. "The idea that we're forcing certain people to go through these very difficult extra hoops is antithetical to some of the founding principals of this country."

The report said that more than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from the nearest full-time state ID-issuing office. About 500,000 of them do not have access to a vehicle, and most live in rural areas with limited public transportation, the report said.

More here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-voteridbre86h1o0-20120718,0,6995110.story

Those skewed "facts" are based on a presumption that those same people who are not able for whatever reason to get an ID,
will somehow be motivated and able to get to the polls to cast a ballot?

The real facts would be how many of those same people voted in the last election - but that's a number that would make their argument moot..


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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2012, 03:53:04 AM »

Those skewed "facts" are based on a presumption that those same people who are not able for whatever reason to get an ID,
will somehow be motivated and able to get to the polls to cast a ballot?

The real facts would be how many of those same people voted in the last election - but that's a number that would make their argument moot..

Well I guess some people see only what they want to see.
Perhaps you missed the part of the story included in your quote that said:

The report said that more than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from the nearest full-time state ID-issuing office. About 500,000 of them do not have access to a vehicle, and most live in rural areas with limited public transportation.

It appears that you think the polling location is the same place as the ID-issuing office.
The whole scheme of voter ID is nothing more than a modern day poll tax.

Republicans manipulate voting law, undermine tenet of democracy

Rachel Maddow - Republicans manipulate voting law, undermine tenet of democracy
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2012, 05:02:20 AM »

Well here's another type of voter fraud:

 A county prosecutor Tuesday slammed state House Speaker Jase Bolger and a state representative from Grand Rapids for conspiring to perpetrate a fraud on voters in connection with the November election.

But Kent County Prosecutor Bill Forsyth said he couldn't charge either Bolger or state Rep. Roy Schmidt, both Republicans, because they hadn't broken any laws.

"As a Republican official, I am embarrassed and offended by what transpired," Forsyth said.

Schmidt infuriated and stunned Democrats when he jumped to the GOP late in the afternoon of the May 15 filing deadline. When Democrats scrambled to oppose Schmidt with a write-in candidate, they found 22-year-old Matt Mojzak -- unknown in party circles -- already poised to have his name on the ballot and make a write-in Democratic challenge that much more difficult.

It turned out, according to Forsyth's report, that Schmidt and Bolger -- with text messages and phone calls -- had cooked up the plan to help make sure Schmidt had no real opposition. In fact, Schmidt used his son to recruit Mojzak, an acquaintance, to file as a Democrat with the enticement of a $450 fee. After Mojzak got skittish when reporters questioned his residency, Schmidt upped the offer to $1,000 if Mojzak stayed in the race.

But Mojzak withdrew.

More here:
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20120718/NEWS04/307180031/State-House-speaker-representative-blamed-election-candidate-scam?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|NEWS03|p

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LANSING, Mich. — The Michigan Democratic Party refiled a complaint Thursday that asks Secretary of State Ruth Johnson to investigate whether House Speaker Jase Bolger and his staff violated the law by being involved in a western Michigan House race.

Party Chairman Mark Brewer said violations of the Michigan Campaign Finance Act occurred because campaign work was being done while staffers were being paid by the state. He based that on an investigative report released Tuesday by Republican Kent County Prosecutor William Forsyth.

Schmidt was a Democrat representing Grand Rapids before he switched his allegiance to the GOP within half an hour of the May filing deadline and offered to pay another man to enter the Democratic race but not campaign. Text messages show Bolger had a part in Schmidt's plan.

On May 14, Bolger texted Schmidt: "Any luck finding ur Dem in ur district? That's the last piece we need."

Schmidt responded: "I believe we do."

Forsyth filed no charges but said the "scheme by Rep. Schmidt and Speaker Bolger was clearly designed to undermine the election and to perpetrate a 'fraud' on the electorate." He added he was "offended and embarrassed" by the actions.

Bolger has apologized but said he didn't break any laws, and Schmidt has taken a similar stance. Bolger also said he won't resign the speakership despite calls by Democrats to step down.

Violating the campaign finance law is a misdemeanor, and those convicted can face fines.

Brewer says Bolger and Schmidt deserve to be investigated by the secretary of state because they conspired "to deny voters a choice in November and used taxpayer dollars to do it."

"The arrogance demonstrated here is stunning," Brewer told reporters Thursday. "It defies imagination that these people didn't know they were violating state law."

The Democrats' complaint asks Johnson, a Republican, to investigate if laws were broken by state employees using state phones and sending text messages during work hours concerning Schmidt's race. Democrats first filed the complaint in May, but Johnson dismissed it because she said they didn't present any evidence of wrongdoing.

That changed with Forsyth's report. He forwarded investigative reports to Johnson to determine if campaign contribution rules were violated by a $2,000 check written on Schmidt's campaign account and payable to Schmidt's son, Ryan, who recruited 22-year-old Matthew Mojak to run as a sham Democratic candidate.

Johnson spokeswoman Gisgie Gendreau said the department has not yet received the latest complaint, which was mailed Thursday, so it had no response.

Also Thursday, the leading Democrat on the House Oversight, Reforms and Ethics Committee called on the committee to investigate Schmidt's actions.

    "This report outlines a clear case of improper payment for Rep. Schmidt's personal gain," said Rep. Tim Bledsoe, D-Grosse Pointe, in a statement. "We need to determine if the conduct uncovered in the prosecutor's report warrants punishment by the House of Representatives, ranging from censure to expulsion."

The Republican head of the oversight committee, Rep. Tom McMillin of Rochester Hills, has said he doesn't see the need for committee hearings because Forsyth didn't file any charges.

Republican Gov. Rick Snyder declined Thursday to give his opinion on Bolger and Schmidt's actions, saying they involved a separate branch of government.

Brewer said House Republicans can expect to see Bolger's role in the Schmidt race play out in November if Bolger remains as speaker.

"They're going to have to choose whether they stick with Speaker Bolger or if they're more concerned about their own re-election," Brewer said. "This is far from over, either from a legal perspective, or from a political perspective."
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/53beec09814d46ccbba370f900b07018/MI--House-Race-Party-Change
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2012, 05:06:31 AM »

If you want to crack down on election fraud, start here
Fix a fight, and you'll do some time in Michigan.

But fix an election? Why, that's just politics.

It is lamentable and absurd that -- as Kent County Prosecutor William Forsyth observed in his report on the scandal -- no one can be jailed for the plot hatched by state Rep. Roy Schmidt and House Speaker Jase Bolger to dupe voters about Schmidt's last-minute decision to switch from the Democratic to the Republican Party for his re-election run.

The Forsyth analogy to fixing a fight is perfect. His report details Bolger and Schmidt's eager plotting and planning to put a 25-year-old stooge on the ballot as a Democrat to run against Schmidt. The idea was to prevent voters from having a legitimate option other than Schmidt after he pulled his last-second party switch.

It's real sleazy stuff -- Nixonian, really, although lacking the, ahem, sophistication.

But Bolger and Schmidt aren't the entire issue here.

The law is, and it's something that ought to be tightened.

Think of how often we see fake candidates put onto ballots to confuse voters. And if you believe that some of those frauds don't involve the exchange of money, well, you probably believe every politician's promises.

It's funny that this scandal broke in such temporal proximity to Secretary of State Ruth Johnson's haughty crusade against nonexistent voter fraud. Armed with evidence that found two illegally registered voters among more than a million searched records, Johnson decided this year to propose all manner of ways to make it tougher for people to register and cast ballots. Gov. Rick Snyder stopped the most egregious of her ideas, which a compliant GOP Legislature had rubber stamped.

But you'd think Johnson would be more exercised about this kind of candidate fraud, right? And what have we heard from her behind the revelations about Schmidt and Bolger? Crickets.

She could even cover her political bases by pointing out that this is hardly an exclusively Republican issue. Think of the fake Oakland County Tea Party scam, which did result in some prosecutions two years ago. Or think of how many Democrats we see in Wayne County who manage to recruit stooge candidates with names similar to their opponents in an effort to confuse voters.

There are at least a few ways Johnson could encourage the Legislature to crack down. None of them are huge changes, and they won't, of course, automatically dissuade people who are just determined to act unethically.

But this would be a crusade worth mounting.

Start by making it a crime to suborn someone to fraudulently file to run for an office. In the case of Schmidt and Bolger, it's pretty clear they knew their fake candidate was lying about where he lived, and that he was ineligible to run. You ought to be subject to prosecution if you knowingly encourage someone to falsify candidate filings.

The Legislature should also outlaw the practice of using financial incentives to get someone to run for office. This is tricky, because you obviously can't prevent someone from contributing to a candidate's campaign. But payments outside the auspices of campaign finance look like bribes, and certainly are intended that way. You can't pay someone to vote a certain way; you shouldn't be able to use money to get someone to run.

Michigan could also consider forcing incumbents to file earlier than challengers, to prevent the kind of deception in which Schmidt indulged. It already works that way for judges; challengers know nearly a month in advance whether incumbents are going to seek re-election, so there's more time for legitimate filings from challengers no matter what the incumbents do. It's worth considering a similar set up for all public officials.

If Secretary of State Johnson is really concerned about election integrity, she'll get a package of bills together to address the real shams that happen all the time with candidate filings.

And she'll help make what Schmidt and Bolger did into what anyone with two eyes knows it should be: a crime.
http://www.freep.com/article/20120719/COL33/207190425/If-you-want-to-crack-down-on-election-fraud-start-here?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2012, 09:41:12 AM »

Well I guess some people see only what they want to see.
Perhaps you missed the part of the story included in your quote that said:

The report said that more than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from the nearest full-time state ID-issuing office. About 500,000 of them do not have access to a vehicle, and most live in rural areas with limited public transportation.

It appears that you think the polling location is the same place as the ID-issuing office.
The whole scheme of voter ID is nothing more than a modern day poll tax.
Might want to check your own quote again...

So according to you're source -  10 million people must have just turned 18 - live in rural areas with limited transportation and have no way to get to a secretary of state office?   


OR, a majority of those 10 million people have had previous opportunities to vote and didn't, so any change in voter ID laws didn't change a thing.

Voter apathy is the problem, not ID laws
Without that information you can't claim all 10 million are affected by any changes to prevent voter fraud.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2012, 12:17:39 AM »

Might want to check your own quote again...

So according to you're (contraction of "you are") source -  10 million people must have just turned 18 - live in rural areas with limited transportation and have no way to get to a secretary of state office? 


OR, a majority of those 10 million people have had previous opportunities to vote and didn't, so any change in voter ID laws didn't change a thing.

Voter apathy is the problem, not ID laws
Without that information you can't claim all 10 million are affected by any changes to prevent voter fraud.
I'm mildly amused, but not surprised, by your flawed logic and how you've managed to rearrange a few cherry-picked points to fit your wildly imaginative post.

The report said that more than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from the nearest full-time state ID-issuing office. About 500,000 of them do not have access to a vehicle, and most live in rural areas with limited public transportation.

How you've arrived at your conclusion is a mystery between you and the doctor that prescribed your meds.  ;)

What do you think about the fraud perpetrated by Rep. Roy Schmidt and House Speaker Jase Bolger?
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