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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2012, 09:23:59 PM »


Yeah it is called you posting, I am glad you realize that.

Seriously dude I proved you wrong twice in the matter of a few days and you call me a delusional short-bus riding child. What does that say about your intelligence if I have been able to prove you wrong twice in a matter of days?
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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2012, 09:31:51 PM »

Still delusional. You've been wrong on every issue but take the victory dance all you want.
You posted links saying that FBAR was part of the tax return. I gave you links from the IRS website, you know the government agency? They showed that FBAR was not part of the tax return. Explain to me how I was wrong on that fact? Guess what, you can't, and now you are refusing to admit you were wrong.

Prove I was wrong when I showed you I wasn't an etch-a-sketch? The items I listed were not loopholes and I clarified that, but he could still use other loopholes in the tax code.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2012, 09:38:19 PM »

Yep...something is seriously wrong with you.
BTW....this topic is supposed to be about VOTER FRAUD.
BTW you are the one who got it off topic when you posted:

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Seriously....are you so old that you don't know how to look up the definition of a word?
Your arguments are incredibly absurd....Hmmm.....they're reminding me of the replies from another right-wing poster....

I can no longer hold your hand.....I'm not qualified to teach special ed.

My advice to you is to stay away from fires....you certainly don't need to be subjected to oxygen deprivation any more than has already occurred.

This post added nothing of value.

So before you accuse people of being off topic- you should take a look at your own actions.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2012, 09:45:06 PM »

You MUST be related to him.
Again you are posting off-topic after pointing out that the topic is on Voter Fraud. Why do you continually feel the need to be off-topic?
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2012, 09:57:03 PM »

You seem to be ignoring the multiple times I have proved you wrong on this forum. What does that say about your intelligence compared to mine?

There ya go with you "me genius, you dumdum" posting.

"the multiple times I have proved you wrong..."

I thought you were "just the facts, jack."  Making determinations on fact, not the deep need to prove that you big man beat ape with stick...
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2012, 10:16:51 PM »

There ya go with you "me genius, you dumdum" posting.

"the multiple times I have proved you wrong..."

I thought you were "just the facts, jack."  Making determinations on fact, not the deep need to prove that you big man beat ape with stick...
I have provided the facts, but when people like FF continue to ignore them and post false or unsubstantiated claims on individuals he deserves to be called out. It should be the exact same when people on the far right do the same thing. Continually posting false information is detrimental to the forum, and the media giving out false information is horrible, which is why I ignore a lot of the mainstream places.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2012, 01:47:40 AM »

Seriously....are you so old that you don't know how to look up the definition of a word?
Your arguments are incredibly absurd....Hmmm.....they're reminding me of the replies from another right-wing poster....

I can no longer hold your hand.....I'm not qualified to teach special ed.

My advice to you is to stay away from fires....you certainly don't need to be subjected to oxygen deprivation any more than has already occurred.
When you start throwing the special ed insults it's time to step back and grow up.
You have been behaving quite well lately, and we all have bad days.

Defend your position - agree to disagree - but reverting back to the old Fry that was getting disgustingly crude and acting like the 4th grade bully won't cut it.

Are you seriously thinking my comment was giving a definition?
The term is thrown around so loosely - it's becoming an excuse for those who don't put forth effort...   hand holding must be necessary for some voters according to your own terminology?   
Don't recall anywhere in the Constitution or any legislation, where someone has to come to you to register to vote. (They used to do this in Canada, but the expense and time forced them to end it.)

Citizenship isn't something to take lightly, and neither is voting.  Although it appears the majority doesn't share that idea when it comes to voting as very few exercise their right. 
(It's been called voter apathy since I've been voting...)
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2012, 10:30:26 AM »

Voter fraud a non-issue in Pennsylvania

Despite Republican outcries to the contrary, in a lawsuit against the new Pennsylvania voter ID law, Senior Deputy Attorney General Patrick S. Crawley stipulated along with an attorney for the petitioners that:

    There have been no investigations or prosecutions of in person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states;
    The parties are not aware of any incidents of in person voter fraud in Pennsylvania and do not have direct personal knowledge of in person voter fraud elsewhere;
    Respondents will not offer any evidence in this action that in person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania or elsewhere;
    The sole rationale for the Photo ID law that will be introduced by Respondent is that contained in Respondents’ Amended answer to Interrogatory 1, served June 7, 2012.
    Respondents will not offer any evidence or arguments that in person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absence of the Photo ID law.
    Neither the Governor nor the Attorney General will testify at the hearing on this matter.

Those statements essentially eliminate known fraud as a rationale for requiring photo IDs in the law. The stipulation was signed this month as part of legal documents in a lawsuit, according to a recent pretrial brief, that attests the “Pennsylvania’s new Photo ID Law (or, the ‘Law’) impermissibly burdens the right to vote by imposing requirements that will disenfranchise and deter qualified Pennsylvanians from exercising their express and fundamental right to vote, which is guaranteed by Article VII, Section 1 and Article I, Section 5 of the Pennsylvania Constitution.” The bottom line is accessing the birth records needed for obtaining an approved ID can be insurmountable for American citizens from third world countries, the elderly, and many others.

The lawsuit was initiated by a number of state residents and the ACLU on some of their behalf, the League of Women Voters, NAACP, and Homeless Advocacy Project. Plus, as of yesterday, Stephanie Singer, a Democrat and city commissioner in Philadelphia where the voter ID law may hurt the most, joined Philadelphia's amicus brief supporting the lawsuit against the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Gov. Thomas Corbett and Secretary of the Commonwealth Carol Aichele.

Commissioner Singer’s immediate concern is based on state figures proclaiming about 572,000 Pennsylvanians lack ID issued from Pennsylvania's department of transportation of which almost half reside in Philadelphia. If PennDOT begins issuing a new form of voter ID as suggested, it would have to produce more than 15,000 ID cards every business day between August 26, the date the procedure is supposed to take effect and Election Day. Singer's deputy commissioner reasoned, “Philadelphia voters are in jeopardy at this point.”

Right now, petitioners seek to block enforcement of the photo ID prior to the November election. An injunction hearing is scheduled to begin in Commonwealth Court at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow.

So, why is Corbett’s administration spending millions of dollars defending and implementing a voter ID law with little or no proven benefit to the voting public? Why, in the first place, did the state legislature pass the voter ID bill and the governor sign it into law? Why pass a law that holds the potential to diminish the rights of women, seniors, the poor, and minorities?

State GOP house leader Mike Turzai, for one, summed up the reason nicely. The law is designed to put Pennsylvania in Romney’s Republican win column during this presidential election year. Something, many Democrats had proclaimed for quite a while.

The status of the injunction is in the hands of the court, but a clearer message may be delivered by the public on Election Day. The polls offer an opportunity for those who can cast election ballots on November 6 (not only in Pennsylvania but around the nation) to pass judgment on any partisan manipulations impacting basic American rights.

Learn more about the voter ID lawsuit or support the petitioners at www.aclu.org/voting-rights, www.lwv.org, www.thisismyvote.org, and www.homelessadvocacyproject.org. Register to vote or get answers to questions by visiting www.votespa.com.
http://www.examiner.com/article/voter-fraud-a-nonissue-pennsylvania
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2012, 03:09:22 PM »

572,000 Pennsylvanians lack ID issued from Pennsylvania's department of transportation of which almost half reside in Philadelphia. If PennDOT begins issuing a new form of voter ID as suggested, it would have to produce more than 15,000 ID cards every business day between August 26, the date the procedure is supposed to take effect and Election Day. Singer's deputy commissioner reasoned, “Philadelphia voters are in jeopardy at this point.”

So these 572,000 people who never voted before - all the sudden would register this year?   That's the flaw in your argument.


Why pass a law that holds the potential to diminish the rights of women, seniors, the poor, and minorities?
Oh, I didn't realize only rich white males voted if you had to provide proof of citizenship    The Pity and race card makes for good sound bites...

The issue seems to be lack of ID - which most states offer for free if you don't have a drivers license.
Proof of citizenship - not sure how you just "take my word for it that I'm a citizen"... 8*

FREE Wisconsin ID cards for voting
If you are a U.S. citizen, will be at least 18 years of age by the next election, and would like a Wisconsin ID card to vote (although it's not currently required), please check the ID for FREE box when completing the MV3004 (Wisconsin Identification Card (ID) application) or when applying online. Otherwise, please pay the required fee. DMV service centers accept cash or checks only.

A free ID card is NOT available under the following circumstances:

If you currently have a valid, unexpired  driver license (DL), you are not eligible under Wisconsin law to obtain an ID.
If you will not be at least 18 years of age on the date of the next election.
If you are not eligible to vote in Wisconsin.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/idcard.htm


How To Apply for a Free Valid ID  (Pennsylvania)
If you do not have a Pennsylvania Photo ID or a driver’s license, visit a PennDOT Driver License Center with the following paperwork
A completed PennDOT Oath/Affirmation Voter ID form that you do not possess proper ID to vote
A completed Application for an Initial Photo Identification Card; form DL-54A (The $13.50 fee will be waived with the completed Oath/Affirmation Voter ID form)
Social Security card
One of the following: Birth Certificate with a raised seal, Valid U.S. Passport, Certificate of U.S. Citizenship, or Certificate of Naturalization
Two proofs of residency, such as a lease agreement, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records, bank statements, and/or credit card bills. College students may also use room assignment paperwork and one bill with their dorm room address on it.
If you do not have a Birth Certificate with a raised seal and are a Pennsylvania native, you may do the following:
Tell the PennDOT customer service representative you are a Pennsylvania native who needs a photo ID for voting purposes, and you do not have a certified copy of your birth certificate;
Sign an oath/affirmation that they do not have an acceptable form of ID for voting purposes and the photo ID is needed for voting purposes;
Show a Social Security card and two proofs of residence, such as a deed, lease, tax bill, or utility bill;
Fill out a DL-54A form requesting a non-driver photo ID and;
Complete the HD01564F (Request for Certification of Birth Record for Voter ID Purposes Only) form, which collects information such as birth name, mother and father’s name and place of birth. This form is available at driver’s license centers.
If you cannot locate your Social Security card or birth certificate, my staff and I will gladly help you fill out the paperwork to obtain these items.
http://www.pasenate.com/?page_id=8110#checklist


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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2012, 11:20:20 PM »

Well this headline is fairly easy to see through: Mississippi NAACP Leader Sent to Prison for 10 Counts of Voter Fraud as we all know NAACP means left wing whack-jobs/AKA Democrats.

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While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme.
 
In a story ignored by the national media, in April a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Sowers is identified on an NAACP website as a member of the Tunica County NAACP Executive Committee.
 
Sowers received a five-year prison term for each of the 10 counts, but Circuit Court Judge Charles Webster permitted Sowers to serve those terms concurrently, according to the Tunica Times, the only media outlet to cover the sentencing.
 
“This crime cuts against the fabric of our free society,” Judge Webster said.

(article continues)

I don't know how anyone can consider "Voter ID" to be fraudulent/poll taxing/ad nauseum but then again it's Democrats doing the squeaking and no oil will be forthcoming...
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« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2012, 11:35:06 PM »

Well this headline is fairly easy to see through: Mississippi NAACP Leader Sent to Prison for 10 Counts of Voter Fraud as we all know NAACP means left wing whack-jobs/AKA Democrats.

I don't know how anyone can consider "Voter ID" to be fraudulent/poll taxing/ad nauseum but then again it's Democrats doing the squeaking and no oil will be forthcoming...
LOL....your right-wing site from 2011 dredged up a story from 2007 and created the NAACP nonsense to add a little color....but it does show that the earlier laws were quite sufficient.

If your attempt was another stab at the Dems...take a look at this:


Republican Candidate In Arizona Accused Of Voter Fraud

Jul 31, 2012

While Republicans trying to justify voter suppression bills continue to struggle to find any actual cases of voter fraud, once again a Republican politician may be the exception that proves the rule.

While voter fraud is exceedingly rare — a person is more likely to be hit by lightning than to commit it — then-Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White (R-IN) was convicted of it earlier this year. Now, a candidate for Pinal County Supervisor in Arizona has dropped out amid questions about who cast ballots on behalf of his long-deceased girlfriend.

The Arizona Republic reports:

    A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death. John Enright, 66, had been seeking the Republican nomination for county supervisor of District 5, an area that includes Apache Junction and Gold Canyon. …

    His statement made no mention of the scandal unleashed in an anonymous, undated letter sent several weeks ago to the Pinal County Recorder’s Office. As recently as this year, the letter alleged, someone had been filling out and mailing in absentee ballots addressed to a woman who died on Feb. 3, 2007. The woman, Sheila Nassar, and Enright lived together at the time of her death.

Enright has not been charged with any crime and told the Arizona press “I look forward to learning more about these allegations. If they are indeed formal allegations, I will defend myself. I very much look forward to clearing my name.”

But if Enright was indeed casting ballots in his late girlfriend’s name, he would be guilty of what the Pinal County Recorder called “an absolute act of fraudulent voting” — and a Class 6 felony.

Voter identification laws would have done nothing to prevent the sort of absentee ballot fraud alleged here. And the fact that this is already a felony shows that laws already on the books are clearly sufficient to punish this exceedingly rare crime.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/31/612911/republican-arizona-voter-fraud/
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2012, 11:46:38 PM »


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Lessadolla Sowers

 The following Official Record of Lessadolla Sowers is being redistributed by Mugshots.com under the Freedom of Information Act. This Official Record was collected from a Law Enforcement agency on 6/14/2011.


Booking No: 72121

Mugshots.com ID: 1616921


Charges:




Offense
 
Sentence Length
 
County of Conviction
 
Sentence Date
 
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FRAUD
 
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FRAUD
 
5 YEARS
 
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FRAUD
 
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▶ (dailycaller.com) Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud

▶ (pajamasmedia.com) NAACP official convicted of voter fraud

▶ (dailycaller.com) Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud

▶ (tunicatimes.com) Sowers guilty on ten voter fraud counts

Ah well, some copy/paste jobs aren't quite as good as others, but just look at that fine, upstanding Democratic face: who'd have thunk she'd be guilty of fraud!!  What's this world coming to??!!
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2012, 12:06:35 AM »

     However, being neither a "voter" nor 14th Amendment "citizen" nor a landowner such trivialities as "voter ID" don't concern me in the least but there IS a rather large group of people who would, in fact, be disenfranchised from voting: the Pennsylvania Deutsch and their relatives.  They do not participate in your sham ID/Citizenship scams anymore than I do but being property owners they and the other property owner's alone have a righteous say in what "taxes" are levied on their real estate in their respective areas.  There is little-to-no indication they would "vote" for the socialist policies of the American lefties so that means voter ID rules in localities with large Amish/Mennonite/Brethren populations are disenfranchising several hundred thousand property owners who would "vote" for more libertarian-minded candidates were they allowed to do so.
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"Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them." -Pope St. Felix III

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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2012, 12:10:27 AM »

The issue seems to be lack of ID - which most states offer for free if you don't have a drivers license.
Proof of citizenship - not sure how you just "take my word for it that I'm a citizen"... 8*

FREE Wisconsin ID cards for voting
If you are a U.S. citizen, will be at least 18 years of age by the next election, and would like a Wisconsin ID card to vote (although it's not currently required), please check the ID for FREE box when completing the MV3004 (Wisconsin Identification Card (ID) application) or when applying online. Otherwise, please pay the required fee. DMV service centers accept cash or checks only.

A free ID card is NOT available under the following circumstances:

If you currently have a valid, unexpired  driver license (DL), you are not eligible under Wisconsin law to obtain an ID.
If you will not be at least 18 years of age on the date of the next election.
If you are not eligible to vote in Wisconsin.
http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/idcard.htm


How To Apply for a Free Valid ID  (Pennsylvania)
If you do not have a Pennsylvania Photo ID or a driver’s license, visit a PennDOT Driver License Center with the following paperwork
A completed PennDOT Oath/Affirmation Voter ID form that you do not possess proper ID to vote
A completed Application for an Initial Photo Identification Card; form DL-54A (The $13.50 fee will be waived with the completed Oath/Affirmation Voter ID form)
Social Security card
One of the following: Birth Certificate with a raised seal, Valid U.S. Passport, Certificate of U.S. Citizenship, or Certificate of Naturalization
Two proofs of residency, such as a lease agreement, current utility bills, mortgage documents, W-2 form, tax records, bank statements, and/or credit card bills. College students may also use room assignment paperwork and one bill with their dorm room address on it.
If you do not have a Birth Certificate with a raised seal and are a Pennsylvania native, you may do the following:
Tell the PennDOT customer service representative you are a Pennsylvania native who needs a photo ID for voting purposes, and you do not have a certified copy of your birth certificate;
Sign an oath/affirmation that they do not have an acceptable form of ID for voting purposes and the photo ID is needed for voting purposes;
Show a Social Security card and two proofs of residence, such as a deed, lease, tax bill, or utility bill;
Fill out a DL-54A form requesting a non-driver photo ID and;
Complete the HD01564F (Request for Certification of Birth Record for Voter ID Purposes Only) form, which collects information such as birth name, mother and father’s name and place of birth. This form is available at driver’s license centers.
If you cannot locate your Social Security card or birth certificate, my staff and I will gladly help you fill out the paperwork to obtain these items.
http://www.pasenate.com/?page_id=8110#checklist
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2012, 12:32:00 AM »

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