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[Professor H]

So Tuesday, before I got my ballot to vote, the precinct worker stopped and asked me if I was a citizen.
For a second, I felt a twinge of doubt about how I might assert my own right to vote, to be counted.
http://www.freep.com/article/20120807/COL33/120807094/Stephen-Henderson-lousy-feeling-Election-Day-thanks-Secretary-State-Ruth-Johnson

For a second there I thought you actually took the time to write out your own thoughts
til I ran across the URL letting us know it was a copy/paste job again.   

The article states: "the county has a population of 84,063, of which 65,409 have registered to vote."

And:
"that the two counties have more than 100 percent voter registration"
Not sure how they figured.

You need more data - not sure why it wasn't included in article.
Population probably includes those under the age of 18 - who can't vote.

A quick look at the census data and you will see the population under 18 is what makes the numbers "fit"...   
23.1% under 18   http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/26111.html

If you use the numbers of registered voters to total population - you'll find it around 77%,    thus remove the 23.1% and it will increase that 77% to 100% (or more)...

[Professor H]

Minnesota Voter Fraud updated

Here's an excerpt - showing that the "Democrats" in charge reluctantly have found voter fraud related to the 2008 election where they were in charge of the procedures....


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During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.

Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. "The numbers aren't greater," the authors say, "because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that's a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn't require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163
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Quote from the same article:

"The integrity of the ballot box is just as important to the credibility of elections as access to it."

[ducksoup]

In July 2010, Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, conducted a study in which they claimed that at least 341 convicted felons in the largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul area voted illegally in the Senate race.[112] Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.[113][114] Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race "unbelievable" and the Minnesota Majority report "good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign."[115]
 
In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible.[116]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008

[blue2]

I'm feeling disenfranchised as a voter in Michigan.  Before I could vote they ask for my DL then they scanned it into the computer and made me declare that I was a US citizen.  I wonder if they do that in Detroit?

[ducksoup]

It appears you have been using the incorrect credentials because you are, in fact, not a french fry. Although, a McDonald's french fry is, without a doubt, more intelligent than you are. So you have also been perpetrating a fraud on this forum.

Yes, but he is legal

[LetsGoWings]

Yes, but he is legal

I see you have nothing to add yet again? Why is it ok for him to call Prof H out, but when I do it you give these snide remarks?

[Professor H]

You haven't walked in their shoes so it appears you'll never understand.

So you admit you don't understand politics since you've never held a political office eh?   

Not everybody has been fortunate enough to have their daddy blaze a trail to follow.
Sorry if you have daddy issues - My dad was a great role model - but had a different career than I chose - (Looks as if you don't know as much as you think you do...)


It appears you've been using your lofty title incorrectly:Your credentials in Emergency Management doesn't qualify...so while you're discussing voter fraud...it turns out you've been perpetrating a fraud on this forum.
Lofty title of someone who teaches in a 4 year college, who's developed a course, who's developing another...  Nah...   Just plain old Adjunct Instructor - who's friends tagged him with the Moniker of Professor. 

I'd love to hear how your Friends tagged you with your Moniker...  Be proud at what you do even if you have to ask "would you like Fries with that" 

LOL   Title lecture from a French Fry.

So you've instituted Fry's rules eh?
Don't know about something unless you've done it...
Gee only one of us has held several elected offices,
so I guess you have to admit you know nothing about politics now 

Nevermore I say,  Nevermore shall we have a French Fry creating Rules that they will live to Rue...
Pick any Moniker you wish
Nevermore will we let someone of the frozen variety use intimidation tactics
trying to let on they know who you are - what you do - as if it has something to do with the topic...
Nevermore will that fast food delicacy be able to get away with 4th grade tactics   

[Professor H]

In July 2010, Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, conducted a study in which they claimed that at least 341 convicted felons in the largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul area voted illegally in the Senate race.[112] Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election.[113][114] Columnist Nick Coleman of the Minneapolis-based Star Tribune called the idea that illegal voting by felons made a difference in the race "unbelievable" and the Minnesota Majority report "good fodder for a right-wing scare campaign."[115]
 
In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible.[116]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008

Duck -
Your citation of 2008 is likely outdated as some wiki sources tend to be.

What I got from your article and mine was  - if they spent time and investigated - Fraud did occur.   Problem is no one wants to put in the time - as it only happens every couple of years and isn't a crime easily found since no one really maintains records (Integrity of the System)...

Are you saying because it doesn't occur very often it's nothing we should worry much about?
That is a slippery road to take - as many other crimes don't happen that often either, so our legal system should just focus on the ones that happen the most frequent???

The article I found updated the convictions from your 6 charges ....  to 177 convictions.

The current article:
But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. "The numbers aren't greater," the authors say, "because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that's a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial
http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163

[Frenchfry]

You haven't walked in their shoes so it appears you'll never understand.

So you admit you don't understand politics since you've never held a political office eh?   
That's true to a point...I'm ignorant about more things than I'd care to admit.

Not everybody has been fortunate enough to have their daddy blaze a trail to follow.
Sorry if you have daddy issues - My dad was a great role model - but had a different career than I chose - (Looks as if you don't know as much as you think you do...)
Are those careers really that different? Don't kid yourself...you owe your daddy for your success...not to mention he served the country while you chose not to...your reason was it wasn't required.

It appears you've been using your lofty title incorrectly:Your credentials in Emergency Management doesn't qualify...so while you're discussing voter fraud...it turns out you've been perpetrating a fraud on this forum.
Lofty title of someone who teaches in a 4 year college, who's developed a course, who's developing another...  Nah...   Just plain old Adjunct Instructor - who's friends tagged him with the Moniker of Professor.
Doesn't change the fact that you're not actually a professor...I view that the same as someone fraudulently claiming they're a war hero when they're not.

I'd love to hear how your Friends tagged you with your Moniker...  Be proud at what you do even if you have to ask "would you like Fries with that" 
LOL   Title lecture from a French Fry.
You have friends?? The story I envisioned was a brown-nosing student or subordinate may have schmoozed into your good graces by saying what you wanted to hear.
Or more likely you made the story up.
I chose my name to be low-key...an unassuming moniker...while yours denotes an educational level you've not attained...and an implied respect you do not deserve.

So you've instituted Fry's rules eh?
Don't know about something unless you've done it...
Gee only one of us has held several elected offices,
so I guess you have to admit you know nothing about politics now 

Nevermore I say,  Nevermore shall we have a French Fry creating Rules that they will live to Rue...
Pick any Moniker you wish
Nevermore will we let someone of the frozen variety use intimidation tactics
trying to let on they know who you are - what you do - as if it has something to do with the topic...
Nevermore will that fast food delicacy be able to get away with 4th grade tactics   

As for the rest of your nonsense....it's nothing more than psychological projection....and your very last thoughts were actually questioning your own maturity level...or lack thereof.

The bottom line...you're a fraud.

[ducksoup]

PoliGraph: Voter fraud claim inconclusive

PoliGraph also requested voter fraud conviction data for every county in the state. The data, collected by the Minnesota Supreme Court, shows that 144 people have been convicted of voter fraud since 2009.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/polinaut/archive/2011/10/poligraph_voter.shtml

GOP Voter Fraud Hucksters Latest Lie: Felons Made Franken U.S. Senator

August 8, 2012

The problem with this assertion—from a new book by The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund and George W. Bush Justice Department attorney Hans von Spakovsky—is that it is not just factually wrong, according to Minnesota Supreme Court records, the Minnesota prosecutor who investigated most of the cases, and some of the country’s top election scholars, but it is intended to rile a segment of the Right that thinks it is patriotic to demonize voting by non-whites and disrupt voting for everyone else.
“They are talking in code to their base,” said Rutgers University’s Lori Minnite, co-author of Keeping Down The Black Vote: Race and the Demobilization of American Voters . “My guess is that von Spakovsky and Fund know exactly what they are doing.”
“There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”
“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. At the end of the day, we charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.”
John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky are ideologues whose assertions about widespread fraudulent voting have not just been debunked by scholars, but by George W. Bush’s Justice Department itself—where in 2006, von Spakovsky, a lawyer, led the firing of seven U.S. attorneys for not zealously pursuing voter fraud.
The scandalous firings were hardly a federal law enforcement triumph; the full force of the DOJ could only find three-dozen cases in a country where presidential elections see upwards of 130 million voters. (Von Spakovsky was then appointed by Bush to the Federal Election Commission). Between 2002 and 2005 federal prosecutors under von Spakovsky only brought 38 cases of voter fraud nationwide, winning 24 convictions.
http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fraud-hucksters-latest-lie-felons-made-franken-us-senator

I would think it is the job of all SOS to rid the registration roles of convicted felons and deaths.  To me that is one here and one there not “let’s whack a quarter of a million mostly Democratic voters off the roles and hope we get a few felons.”

[Frenchfry]

Duck -
Your citation of 2008 is likely outdated as some wiki sources tend to be.

What I got from your article and mine was  - if they spent time and investigated - Fraud did occur.   Problem is no one wants to put in the time - as it only happens every couple of years and isn't a crime easily found since no one really maintains records (Integrity of the System)...

Are you saying because it doesn't occur very often it's nothing we should worry much about?
That is a slippery road to take - as many other crimes don't happen that often either, so our legal system should just focus on the ones that happen the most frequent???

The article I found updated the convictions from your 6 charges ....  to 177 convictions.

The current article:
But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. "The numbers aren't greater," the authors say, "because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.

Still, that's a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial
http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163

You don't seem to understand that those convictions you've been citing indicates the law worked perfectly fine without the new voter disenfranchisement laws being pushed by the Republicans.
Your side is trying to rig the election process and you're complicit.

[Professor H]

I would think it is the job of all SOS to rid the registration roles of convicted felons and deaths.  To me that is one here and one there not “let’s whack a quarter of a million mostly Democratic voters off the roles and hope we get a few felons.”

There's a common point I agree with. 
Deaths should be automatic removal
Convictions - each state handles differently if they allow them to vote, but it should be in a database and accessible.

integrity of the system - should include verification of citizenship, whether done at the poll or when the person registers.   

I question the claims of mass cancellations -  did those people who claim to be lumped in ever vote in the past several elections?    Did they move and update their registrations? cleaning up the roles may have been necessary for many other reasons, but it makes for good political headlines.

[Professor H]

The bottom line...you're a fraud.

...From a  tuberous crop cooked in oil.

Next time you go off topic and try getting cute by entering personal information about a poster - you might want to think twice about it.

You think it adds to the topic if you know stuff about posters.
Not sure what your purpose or reason is - but it generally is presented in some condescending manner.   There's the real Fraud...

It's your fixation about what I do/did that has me worried.
Apparently your little notebook needs updating. 

i was too small to stand up to bully tactics in 4th grade - but won't yield to your 4th grade tactics here.

[Frenchfry]

...From a  tuberous crop cooked in oil.
Very mature. 

Next time you go off topic and try getting cute by entering personal information about a poster - you might want to think twice about it.
What personal information? That you haven't attained the criteria necessary to be called a professor?
One would think paying attention to what was said could be considered a positive.

You think it adds to the topic if you know stuff about posters.
Doesn't it?

Not sure what your purpose or reason is - but it generally is presented in some condescending manner.   There's the real Fraud...
My purpose or reason...to try to understand why you think the way you do.
I guess my forthright style won't win any diplomacy awards.
You lack of understanding of even the most basic words sometimes makes the dialogue difficult....such as your real fraud remark.

It's your fixation about what I do/did that has me worried.
Apparently your little notebook needs updating.
I have no interest in you. You're constantly making spurious claims and I respond. 

i was too small to stand up to bully tactics in 4th grade - but won't yield to your 4th grade tactics here.

Hmmm...looking at what your retort opened with...and what you ended with....it's clear your sub-conscience is trying to tell you something....it's more of that projection I mentioned.

Don't blame me for your bullied past....I merely noted that you're not the esteemed professor that your self-created moniker would lead people to believe.

[Frenchfry]

Ohio headed toward extra voting time for Republicans only

Aug 8, 2012
Rachel Maddow describes a partisan dynamic in Ohio that is having the effect of ending early voting for Democratic counties but extending voting opportunities in Republican counties.

Rachel Maddow - Ohio headed toward extra voting time for Republicans only