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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2012, 11:58:47 PM »

GOP'S Voter Fraud Fairy Tale
"In the wake of a judge's decision not to block Pennsylvania's controversial voter ID law, Mike Turzai, the Republican legislator who made headlines in June when he said the law would help Mitt Romney win the state in November, repeated the falsehood that the state has a history of election fraud...As they fought to defend the law in court, state officials conceded that no one had ever been prosecuted for in-person voter ID fraud and that there was no evidence that it had ever occurred in the state. In-person election fraud, which the state's ID law is supposed to prevent, is extremely rare: a study of in-person voter fraud in presidential elections going back to 2000 found just 10 cases of voter fraud during a period when more than 600 million votes were cast...".

GOP'S Voter Fraud Fairy Tale
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« Reply #121 on: August 20, 2012, 12:01:55 AM »

When Michigan Republicans talk about the need for keeping democracy pure by protecting against election fraud, the irony is dripping thicker than maple syrup in August.

State lawmakers this year tried to pass a package of laws that they said was necessary to prevent voter fraud. As is the case with Republican legislatures across the country, the laws are at best a cure for a disease that doesn't exist. Proponents are unable to provide evidence of voter fraud, while opponents charge the effort is a thinly disguised effort to suppress votes among the poor, the elderly and minorities who generally vote Democratic.

The Michigan package was vetoed by Gov. Rick Snyder. But that didn't stop Secretary of State Ruth Johnson from ordering that one of the provisions — a check box in which voters are asked if they are really a U.S. citizen — to be presented to all voters.

Meanwhile, in the midst of this false show of concern, leading Republicans literally from one side of the state to the other were making a mockery of fair, honest and open elections. At best, they treated elections as a game to be manipulated. At worst, felonies were committed. Clearly, the participants — including a former member of Congress and the leading Republican in the House — showed incredible disdain for the electoral process.

Both stories get more sordid as more facts emerge.

There is the bizarre, sad and possibly criminal saga of the copied and cut-and-paste petitions filed on behalf of Thad McCotter, the Livonia Republican and one-time presidential candidate who has resigned in disgrace from the U.S. House because of the scandal.

The news was shocking enough earlier this year when the secretary of state's office announced that McCotter failed to qualify for the ballot because his petitions contained duplicate and otherwise invalid signatures.

Subsequent reports show that these invalid signatures were a habit going back at least to 2006. That could mean that for at least the last six years, every vote cast for McCotter was invalid because he shouldn't have even been on the ballot. Although McCotter so far has escaped criminal charges, four members of his staff — including a Howell-area resident — are charged with felonies.

Over in Grand Rapids, House Speaker Jase Bolger, R-Marshall, conspired with Roy Schmidt, a state representative who was elected as a Democrat but who agreed to secretly switch parties and run as a Republican.

In a plot that the Keystone Kops would surely applaud, Schmidt waited until the last minute to file for re-election but as a Republican. Crossing up his former party wasn't enough. He also recruited a friend of his son to file as a fake Democrat to make his re-election earlier.

All of this was done with the knowledge, encouragement and active support of Speaker Bolger. Bolger's deputy chief of staff even filed the paperwork for the fake Democrat who, as it turns out, wasn't even a resident of the district.

So Republicans are desperately afraid that somehow, somewhere a resident of, say, Mexico might cast a ballot, but they have no problem with a ruse that includes a nonresident running for office.

State police attempts to investigate this fiasco were hampered when the secretary of state's office failed for two months to produce a tape from a surveillance camera that showed Schmidt talking to the fake candidate. That was important because Schmidt repeatedly claimed that he had never met the guy he was filmed talking to.

The secretary of state's office said it wasn't trying to hamper the investigation; it just wasn't able to handle the file. Perhaps it feels incompetence is a lesser offense than conspiracy.

As for Schmidt, he's made it clear that truth is no barrier if it gets in the way of his election plans. For Bolger's part, he has made it clear that the quality of the candidate is of as little concern to him as the sanctity of an honest election.

These are more than antics. They are possibly criminal acts of people who care about winning, not about the core values of a fair and honest election. With actions like these, it's much easier to believe the claims that Republicans election reform efforts are nothing more than attempts to further fix election results.

They should be ashamed.

http://www.livingstondaily.com/article/20120819/OPINION01/208190331/Michigan-Republicans-worries-about-election-fraud-ironic?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Frontpage|p
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #122 on: August 20, 2012, 02:02:57 AM »

Voting access, dark money give advantage to Republicans
Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown talks with Rachel Maddow about the crackdown by Ohio Republicans on early voting and fair voting access, and the challenges of running against dark money now that all principles of transparency have been abandoned.
Rachel Maddow - Voting access, dark money give advantage to Republicans
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« Reply #124 on: August 28, 2012, 11:00:17 AM »

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« Reply #125 on: September 03, 2012, 03:21:40 AM »

Tim Skubick: Grand jury investigation of Jase Bolger/Roy Schmidt election case dampens Michigan GOP celebration in Tampa
http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/08/tim_skubick_grand_jury_investi.html
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« Reply #127 on: September 11, 2012, 04:24:08 PM »

"Wendy Rosen, the Democratic challenger to Republican Rep. Andy Harris in the 1st Congressional District, withdrew from the race Monday amid allegations that she voted in elections in both Maryland and Florida in 2006 and 2008.

Asked by The Sun on Monday if she had voted in both states in the same elections, Rosen said she did not remember how she voted. Asked if she had voted twice in the 2008 presidential primaries, she declined to comment "due to possible litigation."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910,0,3764352.story

How silly can she be (or anyone that does this) to think that she would not get caught. 
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2012, 11:57:44 AM »

Voter ID laws: respectable reform or repression?
Eight weeks from now voters will head to the polls to determine if Obama will keep his spot in the White House. Many voters are satisfied with the job the president has done in his first term and plan to let their voice be heard at the ballot box, but are new state voter ID laws discouraging Americans from voting? Kristine Frazao joins us with a state-by-state breakdown.

Voter ID laws: respectable reform or repression?


New voter ID laws to diminish Obama supporters?
Youths, seniors, low-income voters, Latinos and African Americans are often said as being affected by voter ID laws and registration regulations that are spreading across the states — many of those Republican led. However, many consider those factors an excuse for nothing more than efforts to squash votes in the upcoming presidential race. Since 2011, legislation has been passed or other actions taken to change voter registration regulations in 17 states. So what does this for all of Americans this November? Meghan Carpentier, executive director from Raw Story, joins RT's Meghan Lopez to answer.

New voter ID laws to diminish Obama supporters?


Republican war on voting most intense in few crucial states
Rick Hasen, professor of Law and Political Science at UC Irvine, and author of "The Voting Wars: From Florida 2000 to the Next Election Meltdown," talks with Rachel Maddow about Republican tactics to make voting more difficult, particularly in the few states who will most likely determine the outcome of the presidential election.

Rachel Maddow - Republican war on voting most intense in few crucial states
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #129 on: September 12, 2012, 12:21:34 PM »

Interesting news that few heard about.

York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots

More at:  http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-when-1099-felons-vote-in-race-won-by-312-ballots/article/2504163#.UFCx-I1lR1w

In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes.

Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.

During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #130 on: September 12, 2012, 12:28:42 PM »

Hmmm...that's interesting.  Depending on the type of criminal those votes could have gone either way. 

One thing I've wondered is how someone is allowed to register to vote if they are a convicted felon...
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #131 on: September 12, 2012, 12:54:52 PM »

It's wrong to restrict voting rights based on a transgression where the person paid their debt to society.
Aside from the relative ease those Scarlet Letter are handed out these days...I'm reminded of the ignorant law Michigan has where they suspend the drivers licenses of people convicted of marijuana offenses....even when such convictions had NOTHING to do with driving...often not even near a vehicle.

While the felon angle was presented as some sort of proof the Republicans are doing the right thing...the truth is, the laws on the books would've allowed the states to remove their ineligible voters from the list.


State Felon Voting Laws

Chart of State Felon Voting Laws
Two states allow felons to vote from prison while other states may permanently ban felons from voting even after being released from prison, parole, and probation, and having paid all their fines.

The chart below provides links to each state's laws on felon voting and places each US state within one of five categories ranging from harshest (may lose vote permanently) to least restrictive (may vote while in prison). Applications for re-enfranchisement and clemency have been provided for the states which require them.

Felon voting has not been regulated federally although some argue that Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act can be applied to felon disenfranchisement and that Congress has the authority to legislate felon voting in federal elections.

In addition, 10 states restrict some people with a misdemeanor conviction from voting.
I. State by State Chart of Felon Voting Laws:
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #132 on: September 12, 2012, 06:44:07 PM »



Ruling has been made.   I guess this is why Cenk Uygur is working for Al Gore and not using his law degree.

United States Supreme Court
07-21 CRAWFORD V. MARION COUNTY ELECTION BD.07-21 CRAWFORD V. MARION COUNTY ELECTION BD.


QUESTION PRESENTED:
Whether an Indiana statute mandating that those seeking to vote in-person produce a government-issued photo identification violates the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution.


The opinion found the state had legitimate interests in deterring and detecting voter fraud, modernizing election procedures, and safeguarding voter confidence.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #133 on: September 12, 2012, 07:57:15 PM »

The opinion found the state had legitimate interests in deterring and detecting voter fraud, modernizing election procedures, and safeguarding voter confidence.

Good Deal!  You need a photo ID for so many things these days, it makes NO sense to me you DON'T need to prove your identification to vote.

Now I am sure this won't keep the dead people from continuing to exercise their constitutional rights, but hopefully States will follow Florida's lead in cleaning up the voters lists to eliminate the deceased, felons, and non-citizens.

Perhaps Moveon.org and community organizers will help the disadvantaged get photo IDs.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #134 on: September 12, 2012, 09:47:05 PM »

It's wrong to restrict voting rights based on a transgression where the person paid their debt to society.



Are you prepared to make the same argument against the registering of sex offenders?


While the felon angle was presented as some sort of proof the Republicans are doing the right thing...the truth is, the laws on the books would've allowed the states to remove their ineligible voters from the list.



States can remove ineligible voters after they take on the current DOJ. 

Judge Sides With Florida on Purging Voter Rolls

more at:  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/us/victory-for-floridas-push-against-illegal-voters.html?_r=1

MIAMI — A federal judge on Wednesday rebuffed the Department of Justice’s emergency request to stop Florida’s attempt to remove people who are not American citizens from its voter registration rolls.

Judge Robert L. Hinkle of United States District Court in Tallahassee said federal laws did not bar the state from identifying and removing ineligible voters from its rolls, though the Aug. 14 primary is less than 90 days away. The laws, Judge Hinkle said, are to block the removal of legitimate voters: people lawfully registered to vote before being eligible for removal, like felons or the deceased. They do not apply to people, like noncitizens, who never should have been on the rolls.
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