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[Monroe Native]

Fabricated numbers put out by here staff won't save her. She's playing to those that are desperate to justify her actions. What were you saying about groupthink? Looks like you've embraced every right-wing position on every issue. I'd say you're in denial.

Why do you say the numbers are fabricated?  Where is your evidence?

Some could call what you just did Libel.  Do you have ANY evidence, or are you just blowing smoke AGAIN?

[excelsior]

Fabricated numbers put out by here staff won't save her.

Citation required

What were you saying about groupthink? Looks like you've embraced every right-wing position on every issue. I'd say you're in denial.

I do not practice groupthink.  I am an individual.  I do not rely on Rupert Murdoch or Al Gore TV to tell me what that to think.   I chew my own food and reach my own conclusions.

A reactionary thinks everyone is to the left and a radical sees everyone to the right.  A subset of these extremists practice cognitive bias such as name calling.

[ducksoup]

Citation required

I do not practice groupthink.  I am an individual.  I do not rely on Rupert Murdoch or Al Gore TV to tell me what that to think.   I chew my own food and reach my own conclusions.

A reactionary thinks everyone is to the left and a radical sees everyone to the right.  A subset of these extremists practice cognitive bias such as name calling.

Why should any FURTHER citation be needed?  All one needs to evaluate it on a cognitive basis is there.  They found 1000 and say "there MAY BE 4000..."  Maybe that is an extrapolation, maybe just a wild guess, but is still not fact.  That clearly makes it a fabricated number, whether educated guess or wild guess.

But, I am glad she is doing the job she is supposed to and finding REAL cases and voiding them instead of just removing a few hundred thousand on a whim like too many other states.

[ducksoup]

Oh, and it isn't still voter fraud to be registered if they never voted.  It would be voter fraud if they DID vote.

[excelsior]

Why should any FURTHER citation be needed?  All one needs to evaluate it on a cognitive basis is there.  They found 1000 and say "there MAY BE 4000..."  Maybe that is an extrapolation, maybe just a wild guess, but is still not fact.  That clearly makes it a fabricated number, whether educated guess or wild guess.

But, I am glad she is doing the job she is supposed to and finding REAL cases and voiding them instead of just removing a few hundred thousand on a whim like too many other states.

"Fabricated numbers" indicate that multiple numbers have been fabricated.   

You may assign the term fabricated to 4000 as fabricated, but the "almost 1000" seems to be documented.  I simply requested the citation to  source of these other number(s).

[excelsior]

Oh, and it isn't still voter fraud to be registered if they never voted.  It would be voter fraud if they DID vote.

I am not sure about you, but when I registered to vote I had intent to vote.   

Voter Fraud: Michigan Court Challenge Filed Over Ballot Citizenship Checkbox

more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/michigan-citizenship-question-checkbox-voting-ballot_n_1897359.html

In a statement on her website, Secretary of State Johnson said she believes there may be 4,000 non-U.S. citizens mistakenly registered to vote in Michigan, citing a non-partisan Pew Center study that found the state had 102.54% of eligible residents registered in 2008.

Mlive reports that Johnson reached her figure by comparing the 19 percent of U.S. citizenship data she says she has access to with the overall number of non-citizens in the state, leaving out children. After checking 963 confirmed non-citizen registered voters against a qualified voter file, she believes 54 may have voted in the election, according to MLive.

[Frenchfry]

I am not sure about you, but when I registered to vote I had intent to vote.   

Voter Fraud: Michigan Court Challenge Filed Over Ballot Citizenship Checkbox

more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/michigan-citizenship-question-checkbox-voting-ballot_n_1897359.html

In a statement on her website, Secretary of State Johnson said she believes there may be 4,000 non-U.S. citizens mistakenly registered to vote in Michigan, citing a non-partisan Pew Center study that found the state had 102.54% of eligible residents registered in 2008.

Mlive reports that Johnson reached her figure by comparing the 19 percent of U.S. citizenship data she says she has access to with the overall number of non-citizens in the state, leaving out children. After checking 963 confirmed non-citizen registered voters against a qualified voter file, she believes 54 may have voted in the election, according to MLive.

"she believes 54 may have voted in the election"
That says it all. There's no factual basis for her claims.
Clearly you're just another partisan Republican rubber-stamper.

Secretary of State Johnson should drop citizenship question from Nov. ballot
It’s worth contemplating what, exactly, it’ll take to get Secretary of State Ruth Johnson to abandon her crusade against the imaginary foe of fraudulent, non-citizen voters.

Already, Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed legislation Johnson pushed that would have required voters to affirm their citizenship at the polls.

Johnson ordered local clerks to ask on ballots anyway during the Aug. 7 primary, leading to haphazard and wildly inconsistent enforcement — conditions that at least hint at serious constitutional difficulties.

Then several clerks told Johnson they’d forego putting the citizenship question on November ballots, because they wanted to avoid a second round of confusion. But really, that will only add to the disparate enforcement of Johnson’s rule — some voters will be asked about citizenship, others won’t.

Now, Johnson will have to defend her bizarre and unfounded obsession with voter citizenship in court, because a group of voter advocates is suing to stop her from putting the citizenship question on anyone’s ballot in November. Not surprisingly, they’ve alleged serious constitutional violations springing from the random way in which voters were affected in the August primary.

Johnson will fight the suit, no doubt. But wouldn’t it just be a better idea to drop the whole issue?

Take the question off the ballots. Stop turning a non-issue into a constitutional confrontation.

It would be one thing if Johnson’s concerns were justified.

For years, conservatives have alleged that massive voter fraud takes place in elections, thanks to non-citizens who register and cast ballots. But few of these phantom lawbreakers ever seem to materialize.

A survey of a million voter registrations in Michigan turned up two people who weren’t citizens.

Even after the Aug. 7 primary, Johnson has only produced one instance of an illegally registered voter casting a ballot.

Truth is, Johnson and other Republicans benefit from lower turnouts, so this kind of voter intimidation or suppression could help protect their majorities in Michigan.

More here:
http://www.freep.com/article/20120918/COL33/120918050/Stephen-Henderson-Secretary-of-State-Johnson-should-drop-the-citizenship-question-on-Nov-ballot

[Frenchfry]

Silver lining on Romney's clouded campaign

Despite the missteps and terrible headlines and campaign infighting afflicting the Mitt Romney campaign, he can at least take comfort in the fact that outside spending favors him by a big margin and Republican voter suppression efforts remain robust.

Rachel Maddow - Silver lining on Romney's clouded campaign

[Frenchfry]

'Dead voters' exposed as phantom scandal

Veronica Degraffenreid, elections liaison for the North Carolina State Board of Elections, talks with Rachel Maddow about the burden on the election boards in her state to address the frivolous claims of dead voters on the rolls by a tea party group called the Voter Integrity Project.

Rachel Maddow - 'Dead voters' exposed as phantom scandal

[Frenchfry]

GOP Abandons 'Fraud Theory,' Pushes 'Laziness' as Reason For Suppressive Voter ID Laws

GOP Abandons 'Fraud Theory,' Pushes 'Laziness' as Reason For Suppressive Voter ID Laws

[excelsior]

"she believes 54 may have voted in the election"
That says it all. There's no factual basis for her claims.
Clearly you're just another partisan Republican rubber-stamper.

The fresh smell of cognitive bias will clean out the sinuses better than a neti pot.

Voter records shows that 54 appear to have voted.  They need to check additional records to verify these folks did indeed vote and the wrong names was not marked at the voting polls.

I agree that the citizen question should be dropped from the ballot.   The county clerks and SOS should focus their efforts to ensure the voter rolls reflect U.S. citizens.

[Frenchfry]

The fresh smell of cognitive bias will clean out the sinuses better than a neti pot.

Voter records shows that 54 appear to have voted.  They need to check additional records to verify these folks did indeed vote and the wrong names was not marked at the voting polls.

I agree that the citizen question should be dropped from the ballot.   The county clerks and SOS should focus their efforts to ensure the voter rolls reflect U.S. citizens.

Well I'm glad you finally realized her statements were contrived.
Let's mark this as the first time you've jumped out of the blind partisanship rubber-stamping mode.

[Monroe Native]

Well I'm glad you finally realized her statements were contrived.
Let's mark this as the first time you've jumped out of the blind partisanship rubber-stamping mode.

Frenchfry - You can also now feel free to jump out of the blind partisanship rubber-stamping mode that you seem to perpetually exist within

[Frenchfry]

Frenchfry - You can also now feel free to jump out of the blind partisanship rubber-stamping mode that you seem to perpetually exist within

The moment I heard the term rubber-stamper I thought of you.
The difference between you and I is that I deal in facts....while you wake up everyday with nothing in your head but the right-wing talking points you've been parroting.
It's as if you're allergic to the truth. You've repeated the same old lies over and over....and whenever someone proves your assertions to be false....you just ignore the info and carry on with your nonsense.

From the moment you first started posting on MT....you're always the first to make personal attacks....and always baseless BTW.

[Monroe Native]

WTH? I see another rightie on the topic...guess someone put the queer call out

Wow.

Frenchfry thinks I am the worst at calling people names.

Rightie
Queer

Yep.

No name calling by Frenchfry.  Never ever.  Frenchfry wouldn't stoop to those levels.

He is also super knowledgeable.  He gets his information from all the best Democratic talking point sources, then he comes back and calls our "righties" for voicing their opinions.

LOL!  You make me LAUGH so hard!  You are the embodiment of the Liberal Stereotype!