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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #180 on: September 23, 2012, 06:05:33 PM »

Wow.

Frenchfry thinks I am the worst at calling people names.

Rightie
Queer

Yep.

No name calling by Frenchfry.  Never ever.  Frenchfry wouldn't stoop to those levels.

He is also super knowledgeable.  He gets his information from all the best Democratic talking point sources, then he comes back and calls our "righties" for voicing their opinions.

LOL!  You make me LAUGH so hard!  You are the embodiment of the Liberal Stereotype!
Didn't mean it in THAT way. It was that the guy peering in made arguments about "GAYDAR" and said something ridiculous about "GAYDAR" only being available to gays. BTW....rightie and leftie are hardly what I'd call name-calling.
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« Reply #181 on: September 24, 2012, 08:30:01 AM »

Oh, and it isn't still voter fraud to be registered if they never voted.  It would be voter fraud if they DID vote.

I am not sure about that.  I believe what you are saying is that as long as the person does not actually vote they did not actually break the law.  However, they signed a legal document that implicitly indicates they are a citizen, legally able to vote.  As such they have mislead the government by filing a fraudulent document.  This, of course, is not voter fraud, but does seem to meet one of two parts of the law (Menes Rea - mental capacity to commit a crime). 

I do believe there is voter fraud being committed in America (and any other place that people vote - we are humans and some of us cheat).  I also think the reason this is difficult is that if there are no checks and balances on the front end (i.e. when someone registers to vote or an ID at polling places) then it becomes nearly impossible to discern if a vote was fraudulent. 

Recently, the Salvation Army in Toledo provided back packs and school supplies to students that needed them.  Surprisingly, the parent or guardian of the child had to show an ID to receive the supplies.  I am not wishing to open the whole "ID" argument again as I know it is pointless,  however it strikes me as amazing that the system currently in place allows for minimal confirmation of ones legal ability to cast a ballot (what I would think is one of our most sacred rights) while simply getting free school supplies requires one proves who they are.  If we allow people to cheat at the front end (and we do) then we must expect that there will be fraud at the back end.  The issue then, IMO, is that because the document used to register is not legal how do you prove the ballot cast (if there was one) was fraudulent?  In essence, you can't really show fraud because the initial document would seem to be untraceable if one used a false name or cast a ballot in the name of someone else.
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« Reply #182 on: September 24, 2012, 08:39:48 AM »

Didn't mean it in THAT way. It was that the guy peering in made arguments about "GAYDAR" and said something ridiculous about "GAYDAR" only being available to gays. BTW....rightie and leftie are hardly what I'd call name-calling.

I don't know, if someone called me a conservative I know I would feel insulted and probably sick my cats on them.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #183 on: September 24, 2012, 08:49:04 AM »

Didn't mean it in THAT way. It was that the guy peering in made arguments about "GAYDAR" and said something ridiculous about "GAYDAR" only being available to gays. BTW....rightie and leftie are hardly what I'd call name-calling.

I don't even know what to say.

I think we should all pretend that everyone knows who we are, and conduct ourselves as if we were in a public place talking face to face.  To take it a step further lets pretend our mom / dad / pastor / etc is watching us have the conversation.

I made a new week resolution.  Keep it on the issues.  Care to join me?
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #184 on: September 24, 2012, 08:55:05 AM »

I don't even know what to say.

I think we should all pretend that everyone knows who we are, and conduct ourselves as if we were in a public place talking face to face.  To take it a step further lets pretend our mom / dad / pastor / etc is watching us have the conversation.

I made a new week resolution.  Keep it on the issues.  Care to join me?
Since you've been a raving jackass for the past week, it will be interesting to see how long you last with your new resolution. Best of luck, and some of us will be scorekeeping for you!  ;)
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #185 on: September 24, 2012, 10:14:08 AM »

Since you've been a raving jackass for the past week, it will be interesting to see how long you last with your new resolution. Best of luck, and some of us will be scorekeeping for you!  ;)

Thanks for the moral support....  I think.  Can't wait to discuss issues with you.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #186 on: September 24, 2012, 10:17:30 AM »

Didn't mean it in THAT way. It was that the guy peering in made arguments about "GAYDAR" and said something ridiculous about "GAYDAR" only being available to gays. BTW....rightie and leftie are hardly what I'd call name-calling.

Simply ridiculous.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gaydar

gaydar
gay·dar  [gey-dahr] 
noun Informal .
a homosexual's purported intuitive or sensing ability to identify other homosexuals.


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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #187 on: September 24, 2012, 10:34:13 AM »

I don't know, if someone called me a conservative I know I would feel insulted and probably sick my cats on them.

If you need more cats as ammunition to throw at them, just let me know.
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« Reply #188 on: September 24, 2012, 01:13:36 PM »

Well I'm glad you finally realized her statements were contrived.
Let's mark this as the first time you've jumped out of the blind partisanship rubber-stamping mode.

Where did I indicate that I agree that Ruth Johnson's statements were "contrived"?

You appear to be confusing two separate items.  I am not sure why you are combining the citizenship question on the ballot with the confirmed voter registration of noncitizens.
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Re: Voter Fraud
« Reply #189 on: September 25, 2012, 11:12:26 AM »

Simply ridiculous.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gaydar

gaydar
gay·dar  [gey-dahr] 
noun Informal .
a homosexual's purported intuitive or sensing ability to identify other homosexuals.
So the person peering in decided to continue the nonsense. I saw that one coming.  8*
I have to wonder about your insistence that only gays have gaydar.

Although if one were to go by the often repeated view of the Republicans on MT that one must have experience in the subject matter to understand fact from fiction....then by that failed premise perhaps you'd be right.

But going beyond your cherry-picked definition....the very first site that pops up when I Googled "gaydar" states:

Scientific research
Gay men have better gaydar than straight men and women have better gaydar when they are ovulating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaydar

Now that doesn't mean gaydar is a gay only thing....no matter your personal experience.
Not even sure why the issue is so important to you.
Perhaps it's just part of the argue against everything the 'Fry says campaign.

Where did I indicate that I agree that Ruth Johnson's statements were "contrived"?

You appear to be confusing two separate items.  I am not sure why you are combining the citizenship question on the ballot with the confirmed voter registration of noncitizens.
YOU brought the issue into the topic as some sort of proof....and anyone without reading comprehension difficulties could easily discern that her extrapolations had no basis in fact...but were merely defensive moves to justify her actions since they were being challenged.

The Republicans are perpetrating a fraud, plain and simple.

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« Reply #191 on: September 25, 2012, 12:19:13 PM »

Well if it came from Rachel it must be true. The most fair and balanced reporter in the media.  One of the reasons she has anywhere from 10 to 100 viewers each day.
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« Reply #192 on: September 25, 2012, 01:36:11 PM »

So the person peering in decided to continue the nonsense. I saw that one coming.  8*
I have to wonder about your insistence that only gays have gaydar.

Although if one were to go by the often repeated view of the Republicans on MT that one must have experience in the subject matter to understand fact from fiction....then by that failed premise perhaps you'd be right.

But going beyond your cherry-picked definition....the very first site that pops up when I Googled "gaydar" states:

Scientific research
Gay men have better gaydar than straight men and women have better gaydar when they are ovulating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaydar

Now that doesn't mean gaydar is a gay only thing....no matter your personal experience.
Not even sure why the issue is so important to you.
Perhaps it's just part of the argue against everything the 'Fry says campaign.

I did not bring gaydar up in this topic.  You introduced gaydar in this topic as an explanation for your use of a disparaging term directed toward homosexuals.
 
You have also used the term gaydar previously to label other individuals as homosexuals.  I have only pointed out that your claim to possess gaydar is putting yourself in a group that you appear to have contempt for.

Your citation of a study shows that gay men are better at identifying other homosexuals than any other group does not support your position.  It reinforces the definition that I cited.
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« Reply #193 on: September 25, 2012, 01:58:51 PM »

I did not bring gaydar up in this topic.  You introduced gaydar in this topic as an explanation for your use of a disparaging term directed toward homosexuals.
 
You have also used the term gaydar previously to label other individuals as homosexuals.  I have only pointed out that your claim to possess gaydar is putting yourself in a group that you appear to have contempt for.

Your citation of a study shows that gay men are better at identifying other homosexuals than any other group does not support your position.  It reinforces the definition that I cited.
You conflated what I said:
"YOU brought the issue into the topic as some sort of proof....and anyone without reading comprehension difficulties could easily discern that her extrapolations had no basis in fact...but were merely defensive moves to justify her actions since they were being challenged."
You've ignored the quote that preceded that statement.

Tell me...are you related to one of the other nitpickers that enjoys arguing about insignificant points?
Or is it just another annoying Republican trait?
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« Reply #194 on: September 25, 2012, 05:09:25 PM »





[UPDATED] Ohio Tea Partier attempts to intimidate student voters at OSU
 
By Joseph On September 22, 2012 · 37 Comments
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On September 13th, Hilliard Tea Party member Carol D. Bicking submitted a voter challenge to hundreds of OSU students.  Bicking appears to be following the strategy promoted by True the Vote which aims to intimidate Democratic voters, like students or African Americans, into staying away from the polls this November.
 
If the Board of Elections accepts the challenge, students would be sent a subpoena to appear at a hearing to question their voting status.  Students would then have a minimum of three days to prepare for the hearing, and possibly hire legal counsel, all because some nasty Tea Partier didn’t like the way their address appeared on the voting registration form.
 
According to documents obtained by Plunderbund, the bulk of the challenges (246) are for students who registered to vote at their dorm buildings at OSU but failed to provide a specific room number on the application.  We confirmed with OSU’s Housing Department that “as long as everything else is accurate including their name” the students will, most likely, still receive their mail even without the room number.
 
Can you imagine being a young college student and potentially a first time voter and receiving a subpoena in the mail telling you your voting status was being challenged?   Pretty intimidating.  Which is exactly Bicking’s purpose.
 
Bicking’s challenge is only one of many happening around the state.  Fortunately for OSU’s students, Bicking doesn’t seem to have done her research very well (despite being a lawyer herself.)
 
We asked for some legal advice on the challenge and it doesn’t bode well for Bicking’s challenge:
 

The qualification of a voter is set forth in Revised Code 3503.01.  The only qualifications for voters are:
 
1.                  Citizen
 
2.                  Over 18 years of Age
 
3.                  Resident of Ohio for 30 days.
 
4.                  Resident of the county and precinct (note no 30 day requirement)
 
5.                  Registered to vote
 
The challenge against the students is that they have an “incomplete” mailing address in their registration.  This is not a valid reason to challenge a voter.  The relevant statute is R.C. § 3505.19.  This statute says that a person may be challenged “as to the registered elector’s right to vote.”  This means that the challenge must state a belief that the person does not meet one of the criteria listed above.
 
A challenge based on the lack of a complete mailing address is not permitted under the statute.  A complete mailing address is not a qualification for the right to vote in Ohio.
 
This is consistent with the provision of the Revised Code that pertains to the change of an address within a precinct.  Revised Code § 3503.16(B) states that if a registered voter moves within a precinct the person may vote by signing a “notice of change of residence” at the polling place and generally providing the same identification required to vote.  This additional statutory provision is further evidence that Ohio law does not consider the fact that the Board of Elections has an improper mailing address for a person a reason for disqualification, so long as the person shows up in the right place at the right time.
 
Conclusion:  the Board of elections should summarily reject this challenge.

 
 
 
Bicking’s challenge shows the sad state of Tea Party and Republican politics today.   While Democrats are aggressively trying to register new voters and to motivate existing voters to get the polls, the other side has adopted a strategy of intimidation intended to reduce voter turn out and to scare people away from the polls.
 
Seems pretty  un-American if you ask me.  Especially for a group of people who claim to be “Patriots”.
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PlunderBund http://www.plunderbund.com/2012/09/22/ohio-tea-partier-attempts-to-intimidate-student-voters-at-osu/
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