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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #540 on: March 27, 2013, 01:13:25 PM »

Ruth Johnson supports changing how Michigan awards electoral votes
At the Michigan Republican Party's state convention last month, GOP activists voted 1,370-132 on a resolution endorsing a change to the electoral vote distribution. Democratic leaders have vowed to fight the changes, claiming the GOP is attempting to rig the next presidential election in their favor.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130322/POLITICS02/303220428/1361/Ruth-Johnson-supports-changing-how-Michigan-awards-electoral-votes
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #541 on: March 27, 2013, 01:16:27 PM »



So - there is nothing in the US Constitution that dictates how the states are to award their electoral votes.

There are already more then 1 way to do it in use.

Why is it election rigging to change how votes are awarded?

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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #542 on: March 31, 2013, 10:22:56 AM »

Look who is trying to rig elections now....

So much for a Constitutionally limited Republic with States Rights and oversight.

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The Executive Order states the Commission "shall identify best practices and otherwise make recommendations to promote the efficient administration of elections in order to ensure that all eligible voters have the opportunity to cast their ballots without undue delay."
The Commission will focus on polling places, how better to train and recruit poll workers, managing voter rolls and poll books, voting machines, ballot simplicity, English proficiency, and absentee ballots. The states--not the federal government--traditionally have responsibility over such matters.
Obama will appoint no more than nine members to the Commission and appointees will be drawn from among individuals with "knowledge about or experience in the administration of State or local elections, as well as representatives of successful customer service-oriented businesses, and any other individuals with knowledge or experience determined by the President to be of value to the Commission."
Election law expert and former Department of Justice official J. Christian Adams labeled such a Commission a "solution in search of a problem."
The President has previously cited the supposed long lines from last November's election as the main reason for voting reforms. Adams responded that many of these stories are of people who waited hours in line during early voting, not on Election Day. Had they voted on Election Day, they would have had minimal wait times in nearly every precinct throughout the country.
The Obama administration claims it wants to make it easier for military members to vote, but the White House has been accused of violating federal law, as Adams noted, by not establishing voter-assistance offices on military bases. Congress appropriated the Pentagon $75 million to do so.
On his radio show on Thursday, Mark Levin said Obama was using "falsehoods" about long lines to "nationalize" elections in a power grab that will "further weaken our voting system" at the state level.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/29/Obama-Tries-to-Nationalize-Voting-for-Partisan-Gain-by-Signing-Executive-Order-Establishing-Election-Administration-Commission
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #543 on: April 01, 2013, 10:54:54 AM »

Look who is trying to rig elections now....

So much for a Constitutionally limited Republic with States Rights and oversight.


Upon reading the executive order several things jump out. 

(1) the commission will be task with identifying "best practices" and offering recommendations for a wide array of task including:

Voting machines.

Number, location, management, operation and design of polling places. 

Ballot simplicity and voter education.

Training and recruitment of poll workers.

Voting accessibility for individuals with disabilities, limited English proficiency, and other special needs.

Management of issuing and processing provisional ballots in the polling place on Election Day.

The issues presented by the administration of absentee ballot programs.

Along with that great governmental catchall (like, "all other duties assigned"); other issues related to the efficient administration of elections that the Co-Chairs agree are necessary and appropriate to the Commission's work.

(2) What is interesting is that during the time of fiscal restrain (i.e. sequester) when everyone has "skin in the game" and the White House is no longer open to the public by a simple executive order the President has allocated funding;

The Commission shall have a staff, which shall provide support for the functions of the Commission.  Further, while the members of the commission are not compensated it is stated that; Members of the Commission shall serve without any additional compensation for their work on the Commission, but shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, to the extent permitted by law for persons serving intermittently in the Government service (5 U.S.C. 5701-5707).

(3) Does this not imply that there are "voting issues" that should be resolved?  In other words is this not an acknowledgement of fraud / deception or something within the voting process? 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/03/28/executive-order-establishment-presidential-commission-election-administr
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #544 on: April 01, 2013, 02:30:33 PM »

Will,

I see this as another overreach of the Federal Government.

Elections have been the responsibility of the Local and State authorities for how long?

I know who runs the elections I vote in - Charlie Evans.  If I have a concern about how my election experience was I go talk to Charlie.  Now Obama thinks he can do better from Washington?

With the exception of the civil rights issues, I believe this has always been the case.

I can see executive orders sending out unfunded mandates to said authorities to comply with their demands.

Worse yet I see a President who may demand how electoral votes or congressional districts are drawn - further overreaching his authority.

What was your take on this new commission - and expenses that it will drive?

Thanks - Monroe Native
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #545 on: April 01, 2013, 04:06:40 PM »

What was your take on this new commission - and expenses that it will drive?

Thanks - Monroe Native

Good question . . . the commission (per the eo) must give a report to the Pres. within six months of the first public hearing.  Currently (as per the WH website), none are scheduled.  I don't know the cost as this is not expressed. 

My impression . . . . it's a commission to find a solution to a problem that either (a) does not exist (voter fraud) or (b) assumes states / municipal  governments are unable to preform.  In essence I agree with a but don't know about b. 
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #546 on: April 14, 2013, 11:49:55 PM »

Obama Takes First Step Toward Thwarting Countrywide GOP Voter Suppression

Obama Takes First Step Toward Thwarting Countrywide GOP Voter Suppression


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SOTU Promises NOT Kept; KEPT: Obama's Promise To Thwart GOP Voter Suppression

SOTU Promises NOT Kept; KEPT: Obama's Promise To Thwart GOP Voter Suppression


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Smothering The Black Vote: The Big Cog in The GOP's Strategy For 2014, '16 Elections

Smothering The Black Vote: The Big Cog in The GOP's Strategy For 2014, '16 Elections
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #547 on: April 17, 2013, 11:19:18 PM »

Voter Suppression: North Carolina GOP Seeks To Curb College Vote

Voter Suppression: North Carolina GOP Seeks To Curb College Vote
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #548 on: April 18, 2013, 12:16:43 AM »

If Voter ID Laws Are Unfair, Why Do Lawmakers Keep Introducing New Ones?

 Politicians in more than half the states in the country have quietly introduced stricter voting laws since the beginning of this year.

In case you're wondering, these voter registration laws vary, but many ask voters to show identification, such as a driver's license, at the polls. They also seek to limit early-voting days. Republican lawmakers have said they are necessary to prevent voter fraud but some civil rights organizations, such as the Advancement Project, say they are designed to prevent minorities, who skew Democratic, from voting. That's because minority voters are less likely to have the types of identification many of the laws require and they often rely on the early voting days some of these laws aim to cut.

In the run-up to the 2012 presidential election, a number of states attempted to push this kind of law by arguing that they had an obligation to limit voter fraud. But in-person voter ID fraud, the type most of the laws are designed to prevent, is almost nonexistent.

And yet, there are at least 75 bills that were introduced in 30 states this year. Of those bills, more than 25 are being actively considered, according to a new analysis by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University's School of Law. A few are even already in effect.

Virginia and Arkansas have both passed laws this year that require voters to show a photo ID to cast a ballot. While Arkansas' governor vetoed that state's law, the legislature overrode the veto this week. Virginia's voter ID initiative has been signed into law.

A big reason some of these latest attempts to introduce voter legislation have gone relatively unnoticed is voter fatigue. (The 2012 election cycle was a long one.) According to Myrna Perez, deputy director of the Brennan Center's Democracy Program, this push for these laws at this time is intentional.

"Partisan actors are trying to manipulate the rules of the game to make sure certain people can vote and certain people can't," she said, "and one of our goals is to encourage people to find this unacceptable."

But that's not to say there hasn't already been some pushback. Just this week, the Brennan Center notes, voters in Wisconsin supported a referendum to keep the state's same-day registration law in place. The Florida House voted last month to reverse early voting restrictions it put in place in 2012, and the New Hampshire House decided to stop implementation of voter ID requirements until state officials can complete an impact study.

President Barack Obama has also launched a bipartisan commission last week to develop a guide to help states and local officials improve voters' experiences at the polls.

Denise Lieberman, senior attorney for the Advancement Project's Voter Protection Program, and Perez both said voter rights groups have an obligation to continue to make voter rights a priority and that their organizations will continue to push back against restrictive voter ID laws.

"Voter ID is back in the saddle in places that have debated this hotly already," Lieberman said. "We're not out of the woods, yet."

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/Politics/75-voter-id-laws-introduced-year/story?id=18879037
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A non-response doesn't mean you've won, it merely means the obnoxious, illiterate, right-wing morons have taken too much of my time already.

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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #549 on: April 18, 2013, 12:27:14 AM »

Are the Democrats / Socialist still bringing in dead people. I thought they stopped that.
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Re: Election rigging
« Reply #550 on: April 18, 2013, 12:41:29 AM »

Are the Democrats / Socialist still bringing in dead people. I thought they stopped that.
Oftentimes I wonder...what in the world could you possibly be thinking...(although many times I've substituted the last word for drinking or smoking)

It's the right-wing on here that has done everything in their power to shut you up...and I'm the guy that fights for your right to speak your mind....no matter how ludicrous...and parroting those old lies aren't doing you any favors.

I guess I should be thankful you represent the right...but it's sad when people mistake repetition as truth.
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Willful ignorance, PaTROLLing, bullying, dishonesty, and hypocrisy are among the traits that are common amongst those that espouse the Republican/Conservative/Tea Party ideology.

A non-response doesn't mean you've won, it merely means the obnoxious, illiterate, right-wing morons have taken too much of my time already.

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« Reply #551 on: April 18, 2013, 12:45:58 AM »

No they did, in Chicago they had dead people vote! If I'm not mistaken several times.

I read it on the internet! Just like listening to Rachel Madcow it must be true.
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« Reply #552 on: April 18, 2013, 12:50:46 AM »

No they did, in Chicago they had dead people vote! If I'm not mistaken several times.

I read it on the internet! Just like listening to Rachel Madcow it must be true.
Lies and more lies...typical Republican...only you're a little more off-kilter than most.
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A non-response doesn't mean you've won, it merely means the obnoxious, illiterate, right-wing morons have taken too much of my time already.

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« Reply #553 on: April 18, 2013, 12:52:17 AM »

Can you please paste some more of Rachel? She is the bearer of all truth, isn't she?
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« Reply #554 on: April 18, 2013, 08:04:03 AM »

Lies and more lies...typical Republican...only you're a little more off-kilter than most.

LOL!  The only lies that are true are the lefts lies.  Those you believe.  To do so you must ignore or deny everything you see around you. 

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