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DETROIT (AP) -- As they watched a Detroit Tigers baseball game, 40,000 sports fans were unaware that dozens of police, security guards and federal agents were swiftly searching the stadium for a possible bomb after someone phoned in a threat to 911.
 
Authorities made no announcement over the public address system. Ushers said nothing to the crowd.

Jason Miller, a suburban Detroit rabbi, left the game against the Los Angeles Angels on Tuesday night and didn't learn about the threat until the following day.

''What if they had to evacuate?''

The threat at Comerica Park was the third bomb threat to a Detroit landmark in less than a week. On Monday, someone claimed to have placed a bomb on the Ambassador Bridge linking Detroit with Windsor, Ontario, in Canada.
 
And on July 12, a similar threat forced the closing of the Detroit Windsor international tunnel beneath the river. In each case, emergency procedures went off without a hitch, and no bombs were found.
 
But Miller wasn't satisfied, saying fans ''had a right to know what happened.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-evacuation-bomb-threat-tigers-052747705--mlb.html

What do you think about the bomb threats? How about the unsolved car bomb in Monroe? Do you think people should be told of credible threats?
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Re: Detroit bomb threat highlights stadium security and citizens' rights
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 04:25:56 AM »


What do you think about the bomb threats? How about the unsolved car bomb in Monroe? Do you think people should be told of credible threats?
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I think that is a mighty big stretch to even compare these in the same paragraph... 

I think the part you may be missing...

as far as I know the car bomber didn't make any prior warning or "threat"...

he just acted!!!

Anyone with a throw away cell phone (around $20) can make a phone call and make a "bomb threat"...

it happens in schools on  a too regular basis...

I don't know who took the actual call for the bridge or tunnel or stadium calls...  but maybe by the time the stadium call came in authorities had established a pattern...  I'm sure they're not telling us "everything" about the calls.

If you don't want to be a potential bomb target, then stay at home...  under your bed 8* 8* 8*

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Re: Detroit bomb threat highlights stadium security and citizens' rights
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2012, 06:53:10 AM »

The key words are "credible" threat...

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Re: Detroit bomb threat highlights stadium security and citizens' rights
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 09:34:33 AM »

The key words are "credible" threat...


What do you think about the bomb threats? How about the unsolved car bomb in Monroe? Do you think people should be told of credible threats?


I think that is a mighty big stretch to even compare these in the same paragraph... 

I think the part you may be missing...

as far as I know the car bomber didn't make any prior warning or "threat"...

he just acted!!!

Anyone with a throw away cell phone (around $20) can make a phone call and make a "bomb threat"...

it happens in schools on  a too regular basis...

I don't know who took the actual call for the bridge or tunnel or stadium calls...  but maybe by the time the stadium call came in authorities had established a pattern...  I'm sure they're not telling us "everything" about the calls.

If you don't want to be a potential bomb target, then stay at home...  under your bed 8* 8* 8*


Bombs around the area is new in my lifetime anyway. The bombing in Monroe came to mind because it was a "bomb" (and unsolved), not because I think the crimes are related.

I guess we rely on the authorities to determine how credible a threat is, but I don't count on them to be forthcoming with information in the event of some emergencies, like Fermi I meltdown. BRD, hiding under the covers just doesn't work against some things, like radiation. I think this is another case of the government saying people are too stupid. Stupid or not, citizens have a right to self-determination.



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Re: Detroit bomb threat highlights stadium security and citizens' rights
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 10:43:43 AM »


Credible threats vs. Threats is not an exact science, but you can't evacuate or cause panic every time a person makes one - or you'd just multiply the number of hoaxes to get that reaction.
   
There are things that are not released to the general public on regularity - but those in various levels are aware of - that help in determining factors around various threats or potential threats.   

I guess we rely on the authorities to determine how credible a threat is, but I don't count on them to be forthcoming with information in the event of some emergencies, like Fermi I meltdown. BRD, hiding under the covers just doesn't work against some things, like radiation. I think this is another case of the government saying people are too stupid. Stupid or not, citizens have a right to self-determination.

I guess to keep Marilyn happy we will discuss and dispel the myths, rumors, and accusations of Fermi I and of radiation and pollution - without any citations   8*.
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Fermi, Unit 1
1.0 Site Identification

Type of Site:   Power Reactor Facility
Location:   Newport, MI
License No.:   DRP-9
Docket No.:   50-16
License Status:   DECON
Project Manager:   Ted Smith
2.0 Site Status Summary

The Enrico Fermi Atomic Power Plant, Unit 1 (Fermi 1) is located in Monroe County, Michigan. The site boundary is completely contained within the Fermi 2 site boundary, adjacent to Lake Erie. The site consists of six main buildings and several smaller gallery buildings and interconnections. Fermi 1 has an onsite groundwater monitoring program, which has not identified any groundwater contamination due to Fermi 1 operations.
Fermi 1 was a fast breeder reactor power plant cooled by sodium and operated at essentially atmospheric pressure. The reactor plant was designed for a maximum capacity of 430 Megawatt (Mwt); however, the maximum reactor power with the first core loading (Core A) was 200 Mwt. The primary system was filled with sodium in December of 1960 and criticality was achieved in August 1963. The reactor was tested at low power in its first couple years of operation. Power ascension testing above 1 Mwt commenced in December 1965, immediately following receipt of the high power operating license. In October 1966, during a power ascension, a zirconium plate at the bottom of the reactor vessel became loose and blocked sodium coolant flow to some fuel subassemblies. Two subassemblies started to melt. Radiation monitors alarmed and the operators manually shut down the reactor. No abnormal releases to the environment occurred. Three years and nine months later, the cause had been determined, cleanup completed, fuel replaced, and Fermi 1 was restarted. In 1972, the core was approaching the burnup limit. In November 1972, the Power Reactor Development Company made the decision to decommission Fermi 1. The fuel and blanket subassemblies were shipped offsite in 1973. The non-radioactive secondary sodium system was drained and the sodium sent to Fike Chemical Company. The radioactive primary sodium was stored in storage tanks and in 55 gallon drums until the sodium was shipped offsite in 1984. Decommissioning of the Fermi 1 plant was originally completed in December 1975. The license for Fermi 1 expires in 2025.
3.0 Major Technical or Regulatory Issues

The facility is currently transitioning from active decommissioning for the remainder of 2011, and is expected to return to safe storage in early 2012.
There is no spent fuel onsite. Bulk sodium has been removed from the site, and the reactor vessel has been grouted and is being removed.
4.0 Estimated Date For Closure

10/01/2032
Page Last Reviewed/Updated Thursday, March 29, 2012
http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/decommissioning/power-reactor/enrico-fermi-atomic-power-plant-unit-1.html
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Re: Detroit bomb threat highlights stadium security and citizens' rights
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 01:34:05 PM »

Can you imagine a general announcement during the 1st quarter of the Ohio State game at the Big House...

"Please everyone remain calm and evacuate the stadium...  we have a credible bomb threat"  I know what it's like trying to get up those steps at half time when only part of the crowd is leaving their seats and they are somewhat calm...   I cannot even imagine the chaos and bedlam that would exist...   they don't have enough security in the place to keep everyone calm.

Both of my daughters and a son in law were at a game at Tiger Stadium the week of the 4th...  I tend to think about these type of situations because of my background.  But again, as Marilyn says...  you can't just hide under the blanket.   

You've got to get out and enjoy life while you can ;) ;) ;)

Here's a YouTube from some security company showing the nice orderly evacuation of a stadium...   somehow, I just don't think it would go this smooth in a real live scenario...

Stadium Evacuation Simulation in EPT
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Re: Detroit bomb threat highlights stadium security and citizens' rights
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 10:04:06 AM »

I heard last night there had been a 2nd "threat" called in on the Ambassador bridge...

but they didn't shut it down this time!!!

This article implies it was the 3rd time so maybe I missed one :-\ :-\ :-\

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=778497
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