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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2012, 04:55:55 PM »

My thought, and I have no more info than the rest of you is that if I had millions of my own money in a project, business etc. No way would I not be involved in at least the major decisions.

The major decisions made here are what the big deal is anyway, all that matters is that Romney's company outsourced jobs, and now he's running on a job creation platform. Simply means he can't be trusted.

I wasn't going to vote for him before I knew this stuff anyway, so it doesn't matter to me either way.
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2012, 04:57:20 PM »

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What is your opinion on the matter FB?

Also, to everyone, what should Romney have said about this? Obviously there is grey area between 1999-2002.

If he said he was the CEO until 2002 that, to me at least, implies that he was involved in the day-to-day activities, which it does not appear he was.

If he said he was only involved in major business decisions in that grey area, then that opens up the box of what is considered major. This will also allow cherry picking by both sides.

Or should he have said he stepped down in 1999 like he did?

All three would have been reported on negatively by the Obama campaign and positively by the Romney campaign.
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2012, 05:02:07 PM »

Also, to everyone, what should Romney have said about this? Obviously there is grey area between 1999-2002.

He should have said whatever the truth was, and explained in as much detail as possible. As it is now, it's apparent he lied, the extent of that lie is only what is yet to be uncovered.
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2012, 05:05:48 PM »

He should have said whatever the truth was, and explained in as much detail as possible. As it is now, it's apparent he lied, the extent of that lie is only what is yet to be uncovered.
I agree, but how many people would have listened, or read, all the detail he explained it in? I know informed people would, but what about everyone else?
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2012, 05:31:31 PM »

I agree, but how many people would have listened, or read, all the detail he explained it in? I know informed people would, but what about everyone else?

So you give him a pass for lying because according to you people wouldn't have listened anyway? I don't.
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2012, 06:02:34 PM »

I am abstaining from the Presidential race.  No good candidates in the field... nominated or otherwise.

It is fun to watch you all arguing over which is better, a hot turd sandwich or a steamy turd pot pie.

Obama is going to win re-election.  The Republicans are going to gain more seats in the House and Senate, there will be gridlock for things that are done through the proper procedure, and for those things that Obama really wants he will just sign an executive order and continue his legacy of being just another in a long line of politicians that would rather wipe their asses with our founding documents than follow the letter of our laws.

Who ever said it earlier in this thread hit the nail on the head... Obama and Romney are almost exactly the same quality of candidate, the difference is that Romney is white and favors rich Republicans.  Obama is black and favors rich Democrats.  They are both lying cheating kaniving bastards looking out for the ultra wealthy... well the ultra wealthy from THEIR side.
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2012, 06:13:22 PM »

So you give him a pass for lying because according to you people wouldn't have listened anyway? I don't.
I do not, I agree with you that he should have explained in as much detail as possible what his relationship with Bain was between 1999-2002. It most certainly matters, it would be nice to have an honest and truthful candidate, but I don't think it is as big of an issue that people are making it out be.
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2012, 08:25:32 PM »

I am abstaining from the Presidential race.  No good candidates in the field... nominated or otherwise.

It is fun to watch you all arguing over which is better, a hot turd sandwich or a steamy turd pot pie.

Obama is going to win re-election.  The Republicans are going to gain more seats in the House and Senate, there will be gridlock for things that are done through the proper procedure, and for those things that Obama really wants he will just sign an executive order and continue his legacy of being just another in a long line of politicians that would rather wipe their asses with our founding documents than follow the letter of our laws.

Who ever said it earlier in this thread hit the nail on the head... Obama and Romney are almost exactly the same quality of candidate, the difference is that Romney is white and favors rich Republicans.  Obama is black and favors rich Democrats.  They are both lying cheating kaniving bastards looking out for the ultra wealthy... well the ultra wealthy from THEIR side.

The problem with our system of government is we always get the candidates we deserve.

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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2012, 08:29:31 PM »

The problem with our system of government is we always get the candidates we deserve.


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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2012, 11:31:05 PM »

The problem with our system of government is we always get the candidates we deserve.



Nope... we get what we vote for. 

We could have so much better but then again... who like you wants to be the person who "threw their vote away".  It is why you blindly vote for Democrats and why Old Salt blindly votes for GOP... no matter what the cost.

Happy election!

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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2012, 02:08:43 AM »

When Mitt Romney was running for governor of Massachusetts a decade ago, Democrats went before a state commission to demand that he be struck from the ballot. Their argument: After taking over the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, he had ceased to live and work in Massachusetts, the state where he had built Bain Capital into one of the leading private equity firms in the world.

Mr. Romney’s team was just as insistent in arguing the opposite. For 30 years, his lawyer argued, “the center of his social, civic and business life has been in this commonwealth.”

Now, amid the heat of the presidential campaign and unrelenting attacks from Democrats over Mr. Romney’s tenure at Bain, the three-year sojourn in Utah has again become the source of controversy — but with the positions reversed.

President Obama and the Democrats are questioning whether Mr. Romney really left Bain in February 1999, when he took over the Olympics. And Mr. Romney and the Republicans are insisting that he ended his day-to-day management role at Bain after taking the Olympics job.

At stake is whether Democrats can hold Mr. Romney responsible for a series of now-controversial investments Bain made during the period in question, including in companies that specialized in outsourcing, laid off some of their workers or declared bankruptcy.

Mr. Romney faced a barrage of attacks over the issue on Sunday, as well as new demands, even from Republicans, that he release more tax returns. Democrats have seized on Mr. Romney’s Bain ties as a test of his credibility, suggesting that he is evading responsibility for his leadership of Bain.

The attacks have thrust Mr. Romney’s three-year leave to the center of the presidential campaign, questioning a central component of Mr. Romney’s case for election — that his business experience gives him the experience to steer the economy on the right course — while putting his campaign on the defensive when it could be attacking Mr. Obama’s job record.

On Sunday, Ed Gillespie, a senior adviser to Mr. Romney, told CNN that the candidate had “retired retroactively” from Bain more than two years after leaving in 1999, an example of how the complexity of Mr. Romney’s business has proved difficult to explain in the simple terms favored by political campaigns.

The complications arise in part from the ways in which Bain was organized. When Bain Capital was originally created, Mr. Romney was given full control of the private equity firm’s new management company, Bain Capital Inc. When Mr. Romney went on leave in 1999, he retained ownership of that entity — and with it, in theory at least, the power to control Bain Capital’s funds.

At the time, Mr. Romney appeared to be leaving open the possibility that he would return to Bain. His leave was originally characterized as part time, and he told The Boston Herald in 1999 that he would be providing input on investment and personnel decisions in his absence.

Campaign and company officials now say that the Olympics job quickly became all-consuming and that Mr. Romney delegated his management powers to the active partners, most of them longtime friends and colleagues. And in recent years, Mr. Romney has been far more definitive in characterizing his departure.

“Since Feb. 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way,” reads a footnote to Mr. Romney’s most recent federal financial disclosures.

Yet because he retained technical control of Bain Capital’s management and because his wealth remained heavily tied up with the firm, Mr. Romney’s name or signature appears on dozens of documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission between February 1999 and August 2001, when he finalized a retirement deal with the active Bain partners and transferred to them his shares of Bain’s management entity.

“Mitt’s name were on the documents as the chief executive and sole owner of the company,” Edward W. Conard, a Bain partner at the time, said during an appearance on MSNBC on Sunday. “And it took several years for us to sort out how to put the management team in place.”

All told, Mr. Romney’s name appears on at least 142 such forms, some of which have been the subject of news coverage in recent days, fueling questions about whether Mr. Romney ever really left. One such form, posted last week by Talking Points Memo, lists Mr. Romney’s “principal occupation” as “managing director” of Bain Capital Investors VI Inc., a private equity fund.

Some of the filings reflect the complex nature of private equity funds: each Bain fund was run by a separate general partnership — one that included all of Bain’s executives — that in turn was legally controlled by Mr. Romney through his management entity.

More here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/us/politics/when-did-romney-step-back-from-bain-its-complicated.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

I like this comment I found on the 'net:
The unfolding Bain mega-scandal and the ongoing stonewalling over releasing taxes are going to damage Romney severely with independents. Neither passes the "smell test." On Bain, Romney has now twisted himself into an almost surreally absurd pretzel with the contortionist argument that essentially boils down to, "Please vote for me for President, because I'm a BUSINESSMAN who knows BUSINESS, but please, don't ever look at my vulture capitalist past, particularly anytime after 1999, when I was only Chairman of the Board, CEO, President, and Sole Investor in Bain Capital, because I didn't really run the business then even though I was filing multiple affidavits saying I was totally in charge, so I could run for governor of Massachusetts, and anything after that absurdly artificial cutoff point doesn't reflect my philosophy of business at all, even though it was in a perfect continuum with what came before that cutoff; and please, consider that I was governor of Massachusetts, but at the same time, please forget that I was governor of Massachusetts, because I passed health care reform in that state which I now repudiate, especially since it became the basis for federal health care reform under President Obama, so that doesn't count, but just remember that I'm a BUSINESSMAN who understands how BUSINESS works, and please don't ask me to release more than one year's worth of tax returns, because after all, nothing that I did in my personal, professional, financial life, or any other area in my life counts, especially if I offshored hundreds of millions of dollars in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, Switzerland, Luxembourg, and elsewhere, even though I'll be in charge of national tax policy, because none of that counts, just vote for me!" Think about how ludicruously absurd that argument now sounds. And imagine how anyone could vote for someone so fundamentally dishonest, deceitful, corrupt, and un-American. I certainly can't imagine how anyone could.
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2012, 02:47:28 AM »




Did Mitt Romney Commit A Felony By Failing To Correctly Report His Status At Bain Capital?



Did Mitt Romney Commit A Felony By Failing To Correctly Report His Status At Bain Capital?
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2012, 03:17:48 AM »



Did Mitt Romney Commit A Felony By Failing To Correctly Report His Status At Bain Capital?





NOPE!
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2012, 03:37:20 AM »

Did Mitt Romney Commit A Felony By Failing To Correctly Report His Status At Bain Capital?
Hmm...a Fox news story that didn't clear Romney.

He's in big trouble.

Now even Republicans are lining up asking him to show his tax returns.

Martin Bashir - Romney leaves his hole, addresses Bain attacks

Mitt Romney's Own 2002 Testimony Undermines His Bain Departure Claim
Mitt Romney's Own 2002 Testimony Undermines His Bain Departure Claim
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2012, 04:31:02 AM »

Hmm...a Fox news story that didn't clear Romney.

He's in big trouble.

Now even Republicans are lining up asking him to show his tax returns.

Martin Bashir - Romney leaves his hole, addresses Bain attacks

Mitt Romney's Own 2002 Testimony Undermines His Bain Departure Claim
Mitt Romney's Own 2002 Testimony Undermines His Bain Departure Claim
So, I'm still waiting to see Obama's college papers.
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