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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #180 on: July 20, 2012, 02:58:05 AM »

In Canada total tax and non-tax revenue for every level of government equals about 38.4% of GDP, compared to the U.S. rate of 28.2%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_economies
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What are the income tax rates in Canada for 2012?

Federal tax rates for 2012

    15% on the first $42,707 of taxable income, +
    22% on the next $42,707 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $42,707 up to $85,414), +
    26% on the next $46,992 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $85,414 up to $132,406), +
    29% of taxable income over $132,406.

Plus Provincial/territorial tax rates for 2012

Such as Ontario:
    5.05% on the first $39,020 of taxable income, +
9.15% on the next $39,023, +
11.16% on the amount over $78,043
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

Plus VAT:
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Main articles: Goods and Services Tax (Canada) and Harmonized Sales Tax

Goods and Services Tax (GST) is a Value Added Tax introduced by the Federal Government in 1991 at a rate of 7%, later reduced to the current rate of 5%. A Harmonized Sales Tax (HST; combined GST and provincial sales tax) is collected in New Brunswick, Newfoundland (13%), Nova Scotia (15%), Ontario (13%), and, for a short time until 2013, British Columbia (12%). (Québec has a de facto 14.975% HST: its provincial sales tax follows the same rules as the GST, and both are collected together by Revenu Québec.) Advertised and posted prices generally exclude taxes, which are calculated at time of payment; exceptions are motor fuels, the posted prices for which include sales and excise taxes, and items in vending machines. Basic groceries, prescription drugs, inward/outbound transportation and medical devices are exempt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax#Canada
The story seemed to be Canada had high taxation because of their Universal Health Care.....sure looks like high taxation isn't hurting 'em

CNN: Canadians Richer Than Americans!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Canada
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #181 on: July 20, 2012, 03:15:54 AM »

Has Romney Already Blown The Trustworthy Thing?

Mitt says he is not responsible for Bain's deprecations after he left in 1999. But he was still CEO, President, Chairman & sole shareholder thru 2002

This has been a bad week for Romney in terms of getting his message out. Instead of the media focusing on the economy, the discussion was all about Romney's relationship to Bain again-- and, even worse (for him), the character issue. How serious were a series of carefully crafted lies about when he left Bain and how much control he had over companies that were outsourcing American jobs to China? If David Corn's blockbuster in Mother Jones seeps into the mainstream media, it's going to further damage Romney's ability to build any kind of trust among independent voters. He'll be fine with the GOP base but he'll find it increasingly difficult to appeal to voters who aren't already... well, like this.
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Last month, Mitt Romney's campaign got into a dustup with the Washington Post after the newspaper reported that Bain Capital, the private equity firm the GOP presidential candidate founded, invested in several US companies that outsourced jobs to China and India. The campaign indignantly demanded a retraction, claiming that these businesses did not send jobs overseas while Romney was running Bain, and the Post stood by its investigation. Yet there is another aspect to the Romney-as-outsourcer controversy. According to government documents reviewed by Mother Jones, Romney, when he was in charge of Bain, invested heavily in a Chinese manufacturing company that depended on US outsourcing for its profits-- and that explicitly stated that such outsourcing was crucial to its success.

This previously unreported deal runs counter to Romney's tough talk on the campaign trail regarding China. "We will not let China continue to steal jobs from the United States of America," Romney declared in February. But with this investment, Romney sought to make money off a foreign company that banked on American firms outsourcing manufacturing overseas.
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Republicans in Mississippi, Texas and Alabama might not care about this, but voters in swing states like Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan and Pennsylvania will... a lot. Voters are left with the impression he lied about being with Bain, lied about his taxes, lied about stashing money overseas, lied about sending American manufacturing jobs to China, lied on filings to the SEC... It would be hard to have been conscious this week and to have not gotten a possibly enduring impression that Romney is a liar and that his word can't be trusted. And questions about Bain is all reporters want to ask him now-- which will drive Romney further and further from the mainstream media and into the arms of Fox and Hate Talk Radio GOP propagandists-- again, appealing solely to the already demented and delusional Republican Party base. But normal people want to know why he hasn't released his tax reports and when he will. Even Republicans are starting to ask him to release his taxes. He can't though; there's too much unsavoury stuff in them that disqualify him from running for office. His secret bank accounted and stashed wealthy in Switzerland, the Caymans, Bermuda and Luxembourg are going to haunt him right up through November. Voters-- not countering Republicans in the South-- aren't morons. How hard is it to figure out that if the maximum you can put in an IRA is $4,000/ a year, you can't have IRAs sheltering a hundred million dollars the way Romney does. That kind of math won't work outside of Mississippi. No one likes a tax evader-- especially not a tax evader who's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. And another thing that's not going away is the outsourcing of jobs to China and his relationship to the immense sums of tainted Chinese money flooding into his campaign via Sheldon Adelson, his now #1 financial backer-- an organized crime figure in both the U.S. and China.

Layers of opportunistic and contradictory lies have caught up with him and he's stuck in a quicksand-like quagmire of his own making. His own staffers and surrogates are at a loss for how to explain him now.

The Romney campaign repeatedly declined to say Thursday evening whether the Republican presidential candidate attended any meetings or had any contact with Bain Capital during the time he ran the Olympic Games.

Mitt Romney’s relationship with Bain has become a flashpoint in the presidential race as Democrats seek to tie him to corporate decisions made after 1999, when he took a leave from the private equity company to administer the Salt Lake City games until their completion in early 2002. The Boston Globe and other outlets reported this week that SEC documents show Romney was listed as a top executive until 2002.

Romney’s spokespeople have denied that he had any management role in the company during the time he was involved with the games, despite maintaining legal and financial connections to Bain. They say the title listed in SEC filings was an in-name-only position Romney maintained while on leave.
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The former Massachusetts governor, however, has previously acknowledged that he remained active in the corporate arena while heading the Salt Lake City games. In a June 17, 2002, appearance before the Massachusetts State Law Ballot Commission, Romney said that during his Utah-based Olympics service, there were “were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth.”

How much time Romney did or didn’t spend in Massachusetts in the years prior to 2002 became an issue when he ran for governor due to questions about his state residency.

Romney testified about his residency after Democrats challenged his eligibility to run in Massachusetts after having been based out of state. The election panel signed off on his candidacy.

Romney didn’t mention Bain Capital in his testimony as one of the companies with which he continued to work while leading the Olympic committee. Asked whether Romney attended any meetings or participated in any phone calls for Bain-- as he did for other firms-- a Romney spokeswoman reiterated that the candidate didn’t have an “active role” in the company during that time.

“As we’ve said countless times, since Feb. 11, 1999, Gov. Romney has not had any active role with Bain Capital,” Romney press secretary Andrea Saul said.

Earlier Thursday, the campaign released a statement from former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu mocking the idea that Romney could have been engaged with the Olympics and Bain at the same time.

    “The Obama campaign must think Mitt Romney is Superman. He was, in reality, rescuing the Olympics by working in Utah 24/7 for the years the Obama campaign also alleges he was running Bain Capital,” Sununu said. “Even though the Obama campaign may be wrong about his involvement in Bain Capital, it shows that even they can admit Mitt Romney is a great leader.”

    Romney told the Massachusetts election panel in 2002 that he remained active in a number of companies while in Utah, including Marriott and Staples, the office supply giant he helped create through investments from Bain.

    During his ballot commission testimony, when asked whether he continued to serve on boards while working on the Olympics, Romney answered: “Yes.”

    “I immediately resigned from the board of Sports Authority located in Florida, feeling it could present a conflict of interest with my Olympic responsibilities and of course the travel could be challenging as well. I remained on the board of the Staples Corporation and Marriott International, the Life Like Corporation. And I remained as a corporator of the Belmont Hill School,” he said.

    Asked specifically about the Staples board, Romney said there were four to five meetings a year and he returned to Massachusetts “for most of those meetings. Others I attended by telephone if I could not return.”


People are starting to wonder if Romney committed any criminal activities in all his phony filings and concerted efforts to skirt the laws mere mortals have to live by. Lede's like this in papers all across the country aren't going to help him focus people on Obama's role in a struggling economy:

    Newly-uncovered public record documents are putting Mitt Romney under the microscope again that not only question his credibility but could find him in legal trouble.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2012/07/has-romney-already-blown-trustworthy.html
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #182 on: July 20, 2012, 07:28:19 AM »

Made CAN equal worth...as in accumulative...or it can mean income....and if you looked at my link...you'd see the top 20 Russian "worth" ranges from 6.5 to 18.1 BILLION.
Smash said 800 MILLION.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russians_by_net_worth
Although with numbers that high....I doubt it's earned income.

You may be a numbers cruncher...but the meaning of words seems to elude you.
Quibble all you want...triviality seems to be your specialty.
Your link is trivial and it is obvious you have reading comprehension problems.

"The following is a Forbes list of Russian billionaires is based on an annual assessment of wealth and assets compiled and published by Forbes magazine on March 10, 2012"

No where does it state that the money was actually made.

I never stated anything about earned income.

Your link states 2012 and Smash said the Soviet Union, and in case you did not know the Soviet Union no longer exists.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics abbreviated to USSR  or the Soviet Union, was a constitutionally socialist state in Eurasia which existed between 1922 and 1991.

About a 20 year difference because the Forbes list was compiled early 2012 and the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.

Of course you consider it trivial when I just showed your link was trivial and proves nothing to Smash's assertion. You don't want to admit the I proved that your link is pretty much worthless.

So, your link is not very relevant because it does not show if the wealth was made or not, Smash states the Soviet Union and you linked Russia, and your link is about 20 years too new.

Again, why is it OK for you to call out all the "righties" on issues, and even grammar mistakes, but when someone calls you out they have to be wrong and are extremely trivial?
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #183 on: July 20, 2012, 06:50:30 PM »

Here is one possible idea why Mitt won't release his tax returns, he had no net capital gains in 2009 and possibly 2008, and he had gains of 12 million in 2010 and 10 million in 2011. Some people are going to get the idea that it means he must have held his assets offshore, and once a few people start saying that it will spread like wild fire. However, that is not true at all because it is impossible to tell what someone is hiding offshore by looking at a tax return. There are very few people in the United States who would full understand Mitt's return because of how complex it is. So, why should Mitt release his tax returns when there is almost 100% chance that people are going to misinterpret it?
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #184 on: July 21, 2012, 01:05:06 AM »

Actually if you have read any of the past posts, that would be 35% on ANYTHING over $25K ($50K if you are married).

Sounds like Socialism to me. Why should poor people get a free pass?
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #185 on: July 21, 2012, 02:05:06 AM »

Sounds like Socialism to me. Why should poor people get a free pass?


Poor rebuttal but I guess the best you could muster.  Thanks for playing!

How is a flat rate tax socialist?  Never mind....it isn't!  Thanks for playing!
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #186 on: July 21, 2012, 11:12:10 AM »

Sounds like Socialism to me. Why should poor people get a free pass?

Free pass...???

No such thing in this world...But I guess letting the have nots die off to make more room for the haves makes better sense...Go greed!


As for Mitt Romney lying...He's a politician, they speak it fluently, should anyone be surprised?!

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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #187 on: July 21, 2012, 11:57:05 AM »

Poor rebuttal but I guess the best you could muster.  Thanks for playing!

How is a flat rate tax socialist?  Never mind....it isn't!  Thanks for playing!

Your example tax scheme ensures poor people don't have to pay taxes. Ergo, you're coddling poor people. Ergo, that's Socialist. Ergo, you hate America.

Thanks for playing!
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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #188 on: July 21, 2012, 12:02:01 PM »

Your example tax scheme ensures poor people don't have to pay taxes. Ergo, you're coddling poor people. Ergo, that's Socialist. Ergo, you hate America.

Thanks for playing!

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« Reply #189 on: July 21, 2012, 05:18:40 PM »

Your example tax scheme ensures poor people don't have to pay taxes. Ergo, you're coddling poor people. Ergo, that's Socialist. Ergo, you hate America.

Thanks for playing!


I suppose if they never buy anything they may not pay taxes.

So I don't want to tax people who make less than $25K, and you flat won't tell us where you think the line should be... and you think you proved a point?

So is $25K poor?  $50K if you are married?  Do you have anything besides class warfare?
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« Reply #190 on: July 21, 2012, 09:23:49 PM »

I suppose if they never buy anything they may not pay taxes.

So I don't want to tax people who make less than $25K, and you flat won't tell us where you think the line should be... and you think you proved a point?

So is $25K poor?  $50K if you are married?  Do you have anything besides class warfare?

You're the one that wants to give the poor a break (which is unamerican), not me. Defend your decisions, instead of propping me up like a convenient Obama-humping strawman.
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« Reply #191 on: July 22, 2012, 03:57:54 PM »

You're the one that wants to give the poor a break (which is unamerican), not me. Defend your decisions, instead of propping me up like a convenient Obama-humping strawman.


So you DO THINK everyone should pay income taxes?  Wow that would be a big step forward for you.  See I don't think everyone should pay income taxes.  In fact I do not think anyone should pay income taxes until they reach a level where their income is at a level where they can take care of themselves and the basic needs of their family, only then should one assist the government in "helping" others.
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« Reply #192 on: July 22, 2012, 06:43:58 PM »

So you DO THINK everyone should pay income taxes?  Wow that would be a big step forward for you.  See I don't think everyone should pay income taxes.  In fact I do not think anyone should pay income taxes until they reach a level where their income is at a level where they can take care of themselves and the basic needs of their family, only then should one assist the government in "helping" others.

You're a big fan of assuming the worst from me, so I'll let you make up my position for me. Hint: I'm a stupid flaming socialist.

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Re: Mitt Romney lied about his Bain Capital position. Do you care?
« Reply #193 on: July 23, 2012, 04:30:39 AM »

FreePort 'Bained': Illinois Town Begs Mitt Romney To Stop Bain Outsourcing Their Jobs

FreePort 'Bained': Illinois Town Begs Mitt Romney To Stop Bain Outsourcing Their Jobs
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« Reply #194 on: July 23, 2012, 05:17:54 PM »

You're a big fan of assuming the worst from me, so I'll let you make up my position for me. Hint: I'm a stupid flaming socialist.



Well since you won't just tell us....

It is a pretty nice position you play, never make any real direct points and just hide around the corner and wait to throw snark bombs at any given opportunity.

Again, when you have something adult to add, please do.
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