Mark and Matthew are the two earliest gospels, according to Christian and non-Christian scholars.
Anonymous assumption and conjecture...and...a big SO WHAT? Oh, you're laying the groudwork for your big HOME RUN!In these two gospels you find Jesus speaking of a literal coming of the Son of Man, in the clouds, in power, and with the holy angels.
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Ok ... Did Jesus ever ACTUALLY speak these things? Were YOU, or any of your scholars THERE? No, you weren't ... so ...Let's look at the scriptures. Jesus is very clear the Son of Man is coming to earth soon, and some alive will see him with their own eyes.
ONLY if you accept Jesus was a REAL HISTORICAL PERSON who said these things: do you accept or deny?Matthew 10:23 - When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Can we put it in CONTEXT?
Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Sounds like Jesus is giving instructions/forewarning to a SPECIFIC AUDIENCE regarding how THEY(His followers/apostles whom He is SENDING FORTH) will be accepted/received by those that have never heard, unbelieving people, and those who have heard yet CHOOSE to reject.
In Matthew 10:17, the word "beware" is the Greek word "prosechō
" which means "to attend to one's self, i.e. to give heed to one's self - give attention to, take heed" and WHO are they to beware of? "men" who will "deliver you up" to UNBELIEVING government and religious leaders also because of their UNBELIEF ...(kinda fits the WHOLE motive/GOAL of Xerxes' kind and what they are doing here - his esteemed authors/scholars who are all modern day mockers who hate Christians, Christianity, and the very IDEA that a Supreme Being/righteous judge sits in AUTHORITY over His whole creation - doesn't it!!!) - Boom!!! HOME RUN for Less!!!In Mark 8-9, these two verses are side by side, and remember, there were no chapter and verse to divide these in the original, so they flow into each other, in reality, and are not divided by the chapter number.For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.” And He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power.”
Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.Here is what Jesus says to the Jewish leaders in Mark 14:
But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. In the earliest gospel, Jesus flat out tells the Jewish leaders THEY will see him coming with the clouds of heaven. BUT after all those men died, and it did NOT happen, Luke, who may have used Mark as a source of his copying, CHANGED this. Many scholars believe Mark was a source used for copying, used by the author of Matthew and Luke.
OK, so Jesus says here that they
(specifically the Jewish leaders here) would see Him sitting at the right hand of power also, and first even ... so, I would ask WHERE is this "right hand of power" where He would be sitting?(on Earth???) Where would this audience of the Jewish leaders "physically" or "bodily" have to be in order to see Him where He says He will be, or, doing what He will be doing("coming in the clouds of heaven
Does not the Bible teach that the body and spirit will be reunited BEFORE the second and FINAL judgement? Remember that whole "second death" it teaches about? - Oh, that's right - there is only one life, one death - and no soul/spirit that enters or leaves the/any body, and no Creator/author of such a spirit; am I dead right in stating your POSITION/bias there?
Same passage in Luke 22:“If You are the Christ, tell us.” But He said to them, “If I tell you, you will by no means believe. And if I also ask you,you will by no means answer Me or let Me go. Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.” Then they all said, “Are You then the Son of God?” So He said to them, “You rightly say that I am.”
Luke 22:67 Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:
Luke 22:68 And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go.
Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am. What!? Now the Jewish leaders are not going to see him coming in the clouds? It was changed to cover up the fact these men died and never saw him coming in the clouds.
OH PLEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEE!!!!! What a stupid and totally disconnected assumption, and LAME attempt at disproving Christ's existence/deity/prophecy/legitimacy/truthfulness, or the SPIRITUAL reality of the authentic/true make up of HUMAN BEINGS(body/soul/spirit), the way things will be/end in the future(in body/soul/spirit).
From where Luke supposedly borrowed/stole/forged/imagined/made up his Gospel account from, to where the Jewish leaders were supposed to LITERALLY see Him sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds WHILE alive and on Earth, you've got NOTHING, and NO PROOF these things will not come to pass ... absolutely NOTHING but a selfish rejection of the Bible and Christianity!
Maybe I'll have more later....but I have to go to work right now...