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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2012, 03:56:26 PM »

I think PSU should have been given the "death penalty". I'd feel bad for the players, who did nothing wrong, but it would have hurt the establishment that allowed everything to happen.

In 5 years PSU will be playing in bowl games and the victims will still be suffering though.

I am glad they have pretty much wiped out Paterno's legacy and any visual remnants of him. The only thing worse than the crime was the cover up. As it was said when the story broke, "all that is needed for evil to succeed is for man to do nothing".
Most of the "expert" commentators are agreeing that they won't be able to put a competitive product on the field after the loss of all the scholarships the next 4 years - and it will likely take them 4 years after that to recover.

Now the fact that you can pick and choose their best players and not meet scholarship restrictions is news to me.

That sounds like an invitation for cheating this year against any of your opponents that don't get to grab one of the stars...
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2012, 04:33:02 PM »

$60M to the NCAA to dole out as they see fit... I agree with the post season ban, the loss of scholorships, but the "fine" sounds like a nice money grab by the NCAA.

Don't be confused about what this is, it is a payment to a private organization to ensure that the school will be able to continue its sports programs under the NCAA umbrella.  There is always the NAIA but when was the last time you cared about who won the NAIA national title?

The $60M will just be an extortion payment to an organization with a monopoly on organized collegiate athletics.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2012, 04:46:14 PM »

jbs, I am going to do one of the things I hate most, but "I HEARD" the money is to go to child victims of sexual abuse. 

I'll research for some backup on that, but my "source" is someone who is generally informed before he speaks so I am inclined to believe it. 
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2012, 05:15:11 PM »

They may very well ship that money to a program for victims of sexual abuse, by my guess is not all of it or even an acceptable portion.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2012, 05:33:14 PM »

Punishing the kids who play the game because of the actions, or inaction of others is a good start?

Please explain to me how that is fair.

What Sandusky did, and what Paterno didn't do are unconscionable, but making everyone else pay for it is not going to make what they did go away.

I couldn't agree more. All parties involved are dead or gone, soon to arrive in a federal prison. The students are the ones left picking up the pieces and although the NCAA didn't hand down the death penalty, it would have been better if they had. Maybe a one-year freeze to put things together and then start the healing and rebuilding. But, the NCAA has handed down a punishment that goes beyond the guilty parties and will impact the school for years to come. I feel terrible for the children who were hurt by Jerry Sandusky, but the answer is not to turn around and hurt the students who were not involved at all.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2012, 05:53:24 PM »

Typical Big Slow fan comments. I guess the kids are the only one hurt when the NCAA catches the Big Slow paying players but hey it's ONLY a rule right. Had the Big Slow been more eager to investigate their own it would not have come to this.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2012, 06:02:28 PM »

Typical Big Slow fan comments. I guess the kids are the only one hurt when the NCAA catches the Big Slow paying players but hey it's ONLY a rule right. Had the Big Slow been more eager to investigate their own it would not have come to this.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2012, 08:24:28 PM »

I couldn't agree more. All parties involved are dead or gone, soon to arrive in a federal prison. The students are the ones left picking up the pieces and although the NCAA didn't hand down the death penalty, it would have been better if they had. Maybe a one-year freeze to put things together and then start the healing and rebuilding. But, the NCAA has handed down a punishment that goes beyond the guilty parties and will impact the school for years to come. I feel terrible for the children who were hurt by Jerry Sandusky, but the answer is not to turn around and hurt the students who were not involved at all.

Penn State benefited by aiding and abetting a child rapist by covering up Sandusky's crimes.  Not only did the university officials stand mute, they allowed Sandusky continued access to inflict this behavior on additional children.  PSU was a party to every Sandusky misdeed since 1998; therefore the institution must be punished.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2012, 08:26:42 PM »

Penn State benefited by aiding and abetting a child rapist by covering up Sandusky's crimes.  Not only did the university officials stand mute, they allowed Sandusky continued access to inflict this behavior on additional children.  PSU was a party to every Sandusky misdeed since 1998; therefore the institution must be punished.

I agree!
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2012, 08:29:38 PM »

Why don't you contact all the boys who were (for all intents and purposes) raped and explain what is and isn't fair in life. 


It does not stop at Sandusky and Paterno.  The SCHOOL is starting to answer the NCAA for their involvement.  The students play for the SCHOOL.  They are what some might call "NCAA collateral damage". 

Fair?  Wow.  Who ever said life is fair? 

Again, let me know how that conversation goes with the boys whose lives are forever changed by Penn State. 

No fair?  Yeah right.   

I'm waiting for more criminal charges to be issued.  Keeping my fingers crossed anyway.
Well I guess we will have to agree to disagree. 

I agree that the victims will have to deal with this for the rest of their lives, but I don't see how punishing the other students is going to help them.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2012, 08:32:01 PM »

Penn State benefited by aiding and abetting a child rapist by covering up Sandusky's crimes.  Not only did the university officials stand mute, they allowed Sandusky continued access to inflict this behavior on additional children.  PSU was a party to every Sandusky misdeed since 1998; therefore the institution must be punished.
Actually it was Paterno who did all that. The institution itself didn't do it. Paterno may be up for charges, but not the institution.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2012, 08:52:32 PM »

Actually it was Paterno who did all that. The institution itself didn't do it. Paterno may be up for charges, but not the institution.
Penn State = Paterno; Paterno= Penn State. Actually. paterno didn't do "all that"! Actually, Sandusky did "all that". Whoever aided him, ignored him, or abetted him, is guilty. Penn State got off easy, IMO.
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2012, 08:58:10 PM »

My father, one of the wisest men I ever knew, always said"sweep your own doorstep clean before you look at someone else".

Kindly name the SEC Institution that condoned child sexual abuse?
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2012, 09:06:38 PM »

Kindly name the SEC Institution that condoned child sexual abuse?
  There are other laws. Maybe you haven't read the posts here outlining the laws broken and condoned by the SEC. We ain't child abusers here; we just rob, steal at gunpoint, and break other laws. We's just po'folks from down south; laws don't apply to us, 'cause we play FOOTBALL!
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Re: Pretty close to Death Penalty for Penn State
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2012, 09:27:16 PM »

Actually it was Paterno who did all that. The institution itself didn't do it. Paterno may be up for charges, but not the institution.

The facts found in the Freeh report simply do not support your statement.

REMARKS OF LOUIS FREEH IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANNOUNCEMENT OF PUBLICATION OF REPORT REGARDING THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY

http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/Press_Release_07_12_12.pdf

Page 4, paragraph 1

Our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State.  The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized.   Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky’s victims until after Sandusky’s arrest.

Page 4, paragraph 8

Taking into account the available witness statements and evidence, it is more reasonable to conclude that, in order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at Penn State University – Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley – repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse from the authorities, the Board of Trustees, Penn State community, and the public at large. Although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed by them for Sandusky’s victims.
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