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Who for Sheriff?
« on: July 26, 2012, 06:37:40 PM »

Well I just got done watching the MPACT show with the three sheriff candidates.  Let me tell you how surprised I am so see that Harrington views the sheriff's operation as a game.  Sorry, but our public safety is not a game.  He did bring up several good points, like putting court transport deputies back on the road to bolster the numbers.  As for Malone, he thinks that long winded responses make him seem smarter.  He and Redmond did not differ on too many things, however I find it hard to believe that the correctional staff who 'live' with hardened inmates and criminals, the same staff who goes into the cells with these criminals when they are not in shackles, cannot escort these criminals to the courthouse.  He even went as far as to say that correctional staff are not law enforcement trained.  Really?  So basically he is saying unless you are one of the deputies you are not law enforcement.  Mr. Malone, you have several 'cops' working in the jail who are trained.  Mr. Malone you are too much like the current sheriff and powers down there.  You will be more of the same, keeping the division that exists between the two major groups of employees.  From the courthouse we even see how divided the sheriffs department is.  We see how the correctional staff are treated as misfits while the focus is on the poor poor deputies who are understaffed.  Well the rest of us over here took cuts too.  Mr. Redmond: You seem to be the only candidate who believes in making changes that will benefit ALL the employees of the sheriff's department.  You sir have my vote.  Please address the drug crimes and other major issues.  But most of all sir, please settle the turmoil in the department so you don't have two classes of employees, one better than the other (or so they think).  Lastly, If you look at Wayne County, they put Reserve Deputies in patrol cars (after the person meets requirements as set by the sheriff) and send them out to deter crime and be first responders.  They handle calls such as minor traffic crashes, traffic control, parking tickets, speeders etc.  All these things can be handled by reserves, which will free up deputies to investigate crimes, and catch criminals.  Why don't we have that here?  Why?  Mr. Redmond when you are elected sheriff, consider this..  Please.  All three candidates said we have to work with what we have.  Well if so, then the deputies we have could be freed up to handle major crimes while Reserves could be utilized to handle other things.  Criminals and kids who steal etc, do not know the difference between a 'Reserve Deputy' and a Deputy when the car goes rolling through the neighborhoods.  Its cheap deterrence.  Reserves are free, it will just cost the gas.  In Wayne County they do everything.  Why can't we do this here?  In today's economy, use the free help.  It won't take jobs away from the deputies, it will help them.  They can rid themselves of traffic crash reports etc.  Mr. Redmond I hope to see you in office soon.  Think about some things I have said here. 
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 06:49:35 PM »

I'm voting for Barney Fife...
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 07:11:16 PM »

Haven't decided yet.... will wait till after they do an interview with Jan Jay to see what his opinions are.  8*
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 08:12:46 PM »

Everyone wants to know who these guys are going to have as undersheriff and majors, that will a big difference in who I vote for.  Everyone  know that Tom's wife works there, is she going to be in charge of something now, like head of the jail???? I heard that Tom is going to have Joe Lambert as undersheriff??? What about Dale? Are they going back to a undersheriff or majors?  You too Harrington, who are you bringing with you if you win. Many on the department need and want to know these things, your answers will make a big difference on who they want as their leader.
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2012, 10:16:22 PM »

I'm voting for Barney Fife...

+1 on that.  All 3 appear to be the same ole same ole...

Reminds me of the Presidential Election, just pick one, all the same.

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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 02:19:29 AM »

Ok (Tell it like it is)  we can all tell your a correction officer.   We all know the corrections union backs Redmond.  So why don't you explain the promises that were given to you.  I agree it's a hard and dangerous job. Your crying about taking prisoners to court you know there is a reason, and you know it. You can do misdemeanors, but sworn officers do the felonies    Remember you are a corrections officer, that is a civilian employee job. You can be hired off the street with NO training.   A deputy is a sworn officer, and has been certified by the state of Michigan.  When a police officer is off duty, we are still a police officer.   A correction officer off duty is a private citizen.  A correction officer has not been to a police academy.  A correction officer only goes to correctional training, sorry it's not the same.  You complain about the deputies working in the jail, they have to.

A reserve officer is a private citizen, with almost no law enforcement training.  Monroe County has used reserve deputies for years.  Most of them never come out to work.  They have to be under the direct supervision of a sworn deputy.  They are not free the county has insurance they have to pay for.  Paying for an untrained person to do police work not cheap, or smart.  Just think of the law suit the county would have if an untrained person arrested someone because they don't know laws, or even worse.

You stated Reserves could handle traffic crashes.   What a joke, even if it's a minor one, is the reserve going to go to court and testify.  What happens when the attorney ask about their police experience (and they do all the time)  When they ask about their accident training.  Sorry like it or not you need to use sworn officers.

Bottom line If you really want to be a sworn officer instead of being a correction officer, stop crying about being a "second class citizen", and go to a police academy pass the course, and get a job as one.  By the way the current Sheriff gave a lot of correction officers the opportunity to become a sworn deputy.  But sadly only a few could cut it.  Some couldn't pass the physical test to get into the academy. 
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 02:48:13 AM »

+1 on that.  All 3 appear to be the same ole same ole...

Reminds me of the Presidential Election, just pick one, all the same.

Now here's someone who gets it... :o
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2012, 06:52:47 AM »

Here's the online link for the video of the interview with the 3 candidates: 

http://mpact.pegcentral.com/player.php?video=ebe57930fb61e3a1288a89b42ceb028a
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2012, 09:23:36 AM »

Ok (Tell it like it is)  we can all tell your a correction officer.   We all know the corrections union backs Redmond.  So why don't you explain the promises that were given to you.  I agree it's a hard and dangerous job. Your crying about taking prisoners to court you know there is a reason, and you know it. You can do misdemeanors, but sworn officers do the felonies    Remember you are a corrections officer, that is a civilian employee job. You can be hired off the street with NO training.   A deputy is a sworn officer, and has been certified by the state of Michigan.  When a police officer is off duty, we are still a police officer.   A correction officer off duty is a private citizen.  A correction officer has not been to a police academy.  A correction officer only goes to correctional training, sorry it's not the same.  You complain about the deputies working in the jail, they have to.

A reserve officer is a private citizen, with almost no law enforcement training.  Monroe County has used reserve deputies for years.  Most of them never come out to work.  They have to be under the direct supervision of a sworn deputy.  They are not free the county has insurance they have to pay for.  Paying for an untrained person to do police work not cheap, or smart.  Just think of the law suit the county would have if an untrained person arrested someone because they don't know laws, or even worse.

You stated Reserves could handle traffic crashes.   What a joke, even if it's a minor one, is the reserve going to go to court and testify.  What happens when the attorney ask about their police experience (and they do all the time)  When they ask about their accident training.  Sorry like it or not you need to use sworn officers.

Bottom line If you really want to be a sworn officer instead of being a correction officer, stop crying about being a "second class citizen", and go to a police academy pass the course, and get a job as one.  By the way the current Sheriff gave a lot of correction officers the opportunity to become a sworn deputy.  But sadly only a few could cut it.  Some couldn't pass the physical test to get into the academy. 

  MR Big, can you state for a fact there are no certified police officers working in the corrections arena?  I do not know, but just commenting that there may be someone who has taken it upon themselves to get the training and certification and are awaiting a job somewhere.  And working corrections till finding a police job somewhere.  Has happened quite a bit in the fire industry  People would like the job so badly the spend their own money for training hoping to find employment in that field.
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2012, 10:24:32 AM »

Mr.Big, I am NOT a correctional officer. I have never worked for the sheriff department. I am someone who knows many things about the department,  Tom and Dale. Not too much about Harrington. You know some of us do check things out about our politicians. Just because people get promoted and move up at their place of employment doesn't mean their have gotten there by knowledge or hard work, many get there by how close they get to their bosses......... Once again many people would like my questions answered about  who these people are going to put into high power positions.
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2012, 10:53:53 AM »

Who's the guy in the middle of the 3 that is pictured on the MEN site? I'd vote for him, he looks like a cop. The one on the left looks like a car salesman and the one on the right looks like an architect.
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2012, 11:10:04 AM »

Mr.Big, thought your comment was toward me, please excuse my fed-up attitude toward you. Sorry!
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2012, 11:37:37 AM »

Who's the guy in the middle of the 3 that is pictured on the MEN site? I'd vote for him, he looks like a cop. The one on the left looks like a car salesman and the one on the right looks like an architect.
Voting by looks, now there is a well thought out approach to voting for candidates. 8*
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2012, 11:46:44 AM »

Voting by looks, now there is a well thought out approach to voting for candidates. 8*

I think you'd really be surprised (and disappointed) by how often that happens Fluffy B :o :o :o
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Re: Who for Sheriff?
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2012, 11:56:02 AM »

Watched the video last night.

The guy in the middle was Dale Malone.

He's clearly the most knowledgeable of the three.

The other two were mostly hanging onto his coattails with their I agree with MR Malone answers.

Harrington moved so little that I almost expected a pigeon to land on him.

About every other word out of his mouth was about drugs...which makes me wonder if the authors of the recent anti-drug campaign being wagered via the M.E.N. was created primarily to aid the Harrington Campaign.

The drug war has failed....and that joker wants to ramp it up.

Subservient Redmond squeaked "we need to enforce all violators"
I'm sure the little guy meant all violations.

The race is over...Dale Malone is the winner.
For the other people in the race.....everything they do from this point on is just wasting their time.

http://mpact.pegcentral.com/player.php?video=ebe57930fb61e3a1288a89b42ceb028a
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