Xerxes; stop beating the "there is NO GOD" drum ... I remember you saying......if they start talking about it having attributes that have no evidence to support such claims, then I'll point that out, and explain why I don't accept such things.
- and - I will use it against you here ...
Why would you use Einstein and Steven Hawking to support your bias NOW that there is NO GOD? And, would it be safe to say we can see reluctance in your love for Steven Jay Gould as a CREDIBLE source NOT to believe in a Creator; since you LOST with your earlier drawing from his book? Now you throw him under the bus as an "illogical" and "incoherent" writer(like me?)
You call this SCIENCE, the science of "time" - to supposedly know something that you claim I, and other Christians, CANNOT know(if there is a God)? Your deity for evolution is "TIME"; and Hawking's ASSUMPTION that evolution MUST HAVE happened leads him to talk this way "philosophically" or "scientifically" or "intellectually".
Can't time be MEASURED? If it can, I think you either have to date those rock layers in the Geologic Column, pal! OR, you better have and EYEWITNESS to one kind of animal changing into another kind of animal! Steven Jay Gould's drawings DO NOT do it for me! (and I will thank Hovind for pleading with Christians to ASK questions about these CLAIMS of millions of years)
You cite these "intellectual powerhouses" for the same reason I would use/cite/include Hovind, Walt Brown, Dr. John Whitcomb, Ray Comfort, Paul Washer, and John MacArthur to make a "spiritual", "intellectual", "philosophical", or "scientific" point stick.
Can I talk about the spiritual reasons for God EXISTING here on your thread here, since you brought it up? Oh no, I have to stay "naturalistic", right? So, OK, I will stick to SCIENCE and LOGIC as you think Hawking has MADE your case that there is NO GOD.
I'll mention again to everyone here how you used a drawing from a Steven Jay Gould book, and asked me to refute it, in another thread. You are clearly name-dropping and mentioning Steven Jay Gould here, so, I will too ... remember the fancy picture depicting your evolution fairy tale that showed ...
#1) (from left to right in black and white) Fossils(BONES ONLY) of a fish were found in a rock layer called Devonian, they named it Eusthenopteron and estimated/printed that this particular lobe-finned fish lived 385 million years ago
#2) Fossils(BONES ONLY) of something they named Tiktaalik was recently found in that same rock layer called Devonian, and they estimated/printed it lived 375 million years ago, and that it EVOLVED from the Eusthenopteron over 10 million years;
#3) Fossils(BONES ONLY) of something they named Ichthyostega was found in the same rock layer called Devonian, and they estimated it lived 365 million years ago, and the picture showed it EVOLVED from the Tiktaalik 10 million years later(and... those still seem to exist TODAY as a “mudskipper” as seen in the National Geographic video/link provided by YOURS TRULY.
Remember how I asked you if you have any proof that the Devonian rocks THEMSELVES were separated by demonstrable physical evidence of 3 different catastrophes, 10 million years apart AT LEAST that would have buried each one of these species rapidly?
Remember how I asked you if you have any proof that the Devonian rocks THEMSELVES were dated in EACH case - separate from the fossils?
Remember Hovind telling the students "think about it! NO FOSSILS COUNT for evidence for evolution" in his rebuttal to Michael Shermer of Skeptic Magazine "because you CANNOT PROVE that a fossil had ANY KIDS, especially ones of a different species"(in this case; just because they find a Eusthenopteron fossil in a Devonian rock layer, they CANNOT PROVE it had any kids - let alone EVOLVED into a Tiktaalik 10 million years later?
If anyone wants to head back over to that http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=26318.180
thread: Hovind says that specifically at the 45:27 mark during the debate with Shermer. (Does T-M-T want to refute Hovind’s argument, and say Hovind “clearly has no clue as to the actual science used in various methods of dating…” [FOSSILS])
It seems to me the there exists NO EVIDENCE between the 3 different species depicted in that picture, to SUPPORT the idea that over a period of 20 million years time, the Eusthenopteron(a lobe-finned FISH which still exists today in the form of a celocant) became an Ichthyostega(a “mudskipper” which still exist today)…and, if myself and the other Christians are right; that your DATING ruse and fossil record/timeline is indeed a HOAX – your whole Hawking’s “there wasn’t enough TIME for a God to create” is absolute LUNACY, and simply more propaganda of another God-hater who speaks great swelling words to satisfy your BIAS!
Now, I thought you were DONE beating that horse - and now I have just pointed out “...and explain[ed] why I don't accept such things.” - Did you want to argue SCIENCE for the non-existence of God, or, change it to Einstein's and Hawking's philosophies as to why there is NO GOD; and brain wave studies about free will to PROVE there is NO GOD because we can see a 6 second bridge between making a decision, and acting on it based on one's belief system and education on some MRI scanner(that was initially invented by a "mentally diseased", "delusional", "who knew just enough science" young Earth creationist)?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Vahan_Damadian
Seriously - you are clearly still beating the "there is GOOD REASON(scientific/philosophical) to believe there is NO GOD" here on MonroeTalks; when in fact there isn't - and all the Hovind/creationist bashing in the world by you, T-M-T, or Forsythia is NO CASE either...we ask questions...and you just seek to irritate and arouse...
Give it a REST, man - that's my THOUGHTFUL ANSWER. Private emails between you and fellow atheists and Christian-bashers will draw less fire, and SOUND criticism of your MOCKING beliefs!