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[old salt]

Ignorant and bigoted.  These 2 words are sure thrown around a lot in this thread.  I guess I don't see what the left sees.  Thank God.


http://townhall.com/columnists/demetriusminor/2012/08/02/chickfila_gay_marriage__tolerance_in_america

Cathy invoked his thoughts regarding marriage with the following: “We are very much supportive of the family—the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that…We know that it might not popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.”


...However, in today’s society, standing on principle is being misconstrued as being intolerant. The liberal logic of the left is the belief that your religious convictions are outdated, irrelevant and are an expression of cynicism and hatred. It is the secular and mainstream perception in this socio-cultural paradigm shift in society that is recommending Christians turn a blind eye and deaf ear to their God-given principles in order to accommodate what is deemed socially acceptable.

I strongly salute Chick-Fil-A and many other faith-driven individuals who stand for traditional marriage and also withhold discrimination from those who think differently from them. The last time I checked, I don’t recall Chick-Fil-A expressing their desire for gays not to eat at their locations or to seek employment with them. The assault on their religious belief is beyond asinine and absurd.

The moment we become tolerant for the sake of being culturally relevant and forsake our moral principles, we lose not only our influence, but our God-given identity. I refuse to be a token of tolerance if I must betray my principles for temporary satisfaction or popularity. Ironically, many of the folks that preach tolerance neglect to practice that very principle.

[Flanders]

OK, let me clarify..

I would bet everything I have that a majority of people think two dudes making out is gross.  Since you seem to be hung up on the "public" thing, let's use the movies for example.

Please try and argue that most people would not be turned off by the intimate scenes in "Brokeback Mountain" more so than your typical guy/girl scene in a movie.

[Professor H]

Kissing in public - to "protest"    

I'm sure if you want to draw a crowd just announce when and where girls will be kissing, and you'll get lots of guys to show up (they won't care about the orientation) 

Whoever turned this into an Anti-Gay issue had their own agenda.
Are all those who got divorced from their first wives holding protests?

The CEO  just affirmed his views  "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that."

Protests are used/abused so much that the idea of a protest doesn't really carry the weight it used to.  In this case people are protesting or supporting with their $$'s...  and it appears the company is gaining support and priceless amounts of "free" advertising...

[Forsythia]

Sounds like John is hiding something if he wants photos of my brother kissing another man.

As for Shaggy kissing other men, I never asked him if he has before.  I always thought he could be bisexual, but considering how many women he goes through in a given calander year I doubt that.  What I do know is he supports myself, and all those in the LGBT community.

Now as for you people who support only traditional marriage, I'm sorry you feel that way.  It's obviously discrimination against a class of people and you need to get over it.  What harm will come if I'm allowed to marry my lesbian lover.  How will you be affected?   Have you looked at the economic benefits of allowing us homosexuals to marry?  You conservative small minded people make no sense.

Oh and Flanders, I know a lot of straight women who watch gay porn because they like seeing a couple, or more, guys going at it.  What's that old saying?  "A kiss is just a kiss".  I don't care who's kissing. It doesn't gross me out unless they're slobbering all over each other in public.

[Pax]

    This is certainly a change of pace on the politics forum: mostly thoughtful commentary from all the posters.  Bravo.

     Although, like LF, I rarely if ever patronize franchised, so-called "food," establishments I find this particular "controversy" amusing.  Typical of leftist demands for TOLERANCE! they, too, are relegated to the INtolerant end of the spectrum when anyone disagrees with their demands.  They feel THEY alone have a "right" to offend and insult, but nobody else does.  Whether it was (insert favorite color here) only drinking fountains or a fictitious "right" to this, that or the other thing dissent from the leftist orthodoxy was/is an intolerable affront to their standard of decency, all others be damned. 

     Boycott whatever business you wish, for whatever reason, but when making a bullying *** of yourselves (i.e. a "Kiss-In") don't be surprised if some of those so-called "Rednecks" retaliate by bashing your mouths in.  "Tolerance" has it's limitations.

[Flanders]

Oh and Flanders, I know a lot of straight women who watch gay porn because they like seeing a couple, or more, guys going at it.  What's that old saying?  "A kiss is just a kiss".  I don't care who's kissing. It doesn't gross me out unless they're slobbering all over each other in public.

Sorry F but "I know a lot of people" doesn't come close to the general public.

[Flanders]

    This is certainly a change of pace on the politics forum: mostly thoughtful commentary from all the posters.  Bravo.

Ah, the great Pax has bestowed his approval on our conversation today, so much so as to applaud our efforts with open shouts of brava!  How lucky we are today!

[Forsythia]

Ok well then 50-60%have of my straight female friends watch it.  They tried getting me to, but I find it disgusting.  Kissing doesn't bother me though.

[old salt]

Now as for you people who support only traditional marriage, I'm sorry you feel that way.  It's obviously discrimination against a class of people and you need to get over it.  What harm will come if I'm allowed to marry my lesbian lover.  How will you be affected?   Have you looked at the economic benefits of allowing us homosexuals to marry?  You conservative small minded people make no sense.

See my post above, specifically the bolded part.  And this...“We are very much supportive of the family—the biblical definition of the family unit."

Now if you want a civil union with equal rights as married people, fine, I have no issues with that.  But to call what you have/want, marriage, well that's were I draw the line based on my moral convictions.  To cross that line will lead to three partner marriages, animals and humans, along with anything else that someone decides they want to 'marry'. 

If you see that as small minded, then so be it.  I see it as maintaining the sanctity of an institition that has been around for....well, forever.

[Professor H]

Now as for you people who support only traditional marriage, I'm sorry you feel that way.  It's obviously discrimination against a class of people and you need to get over it.  What harm will come if I'm allowed to marry my lesbian lover.  How will you be affected?   Have you looked at the economic benefits of allowing us homosexuals to marry?  You conservative small minded people make no sense.

I have several good friends who are gay, and I'm not afraid to be seen or go out to dinner with them.  One has been a family friend for many years, and we get together on a regular basis.   I don't understand the lifestyle, but don't condemn them for their choices.

I still have my own beliefs.   I just don't think protesting others would really make any changes.
Not agreeing doesn't mean you are narrow minded or discriminating - you just hold different beliefs. 

Not sure what their marriage would do to assist the economy unless you are talking about supporting hall rentals, in fact they probably pay less taxes now as they don't have the marriage penalty from the IRS (even though it was modified - it still remains if both work good jobs).

[Flanders]

This is not a pro-gay vs anti-gay issue. It's a free speech issue with opressive government leaders trying to squelch that right from this company by blocking the opening of new stores.

[Forsythia]

That's a slippery slope fallacy Salt.  I can point out the flaws in your logic if you would like.

Now why is it immoral for two people to be happily married?  Why is it you are so sensitive about a single word if you are fine with civil unions and the like?  Do you think it's immoral for people of different races to marry?  This is the same thing.  This is a basic civil rights issue, and a case will end up in the supreme court, and all gay marriage bans will be struck down.  I just can't wait for it to happen.

[Forsythia]

Jbs, weddings are expensive and involve a lot of planning.  The economy would be stimulated by all the gifts being bought, flowers, cakes, and a variety of other purchases.  There have been economic studies to show the effect weddings have on the local economy and it's pretty big.

Flanders, I agree with this guys right to look like a moron, but he had to have expected this backlash.  Let him talk all he wants.  When gay marriage is legal he'll be fuming and I'll be smiling.

[Flanders]

Jbs, weddings are expensive and involve a lot of planning.  The economy would be stimulated by all the gifts being bought, flowers, cakes, and a variety of other purchases.  There have been economic studies to show the effect weddings have on the local economy and it's pretty big.

Flanders, I agree with this guys right to look like a moron, but he had to have expected this backlash.  Let him talk all he wants.  When gay marriage is legal he'll be fuming and I'll be smiling.

I have absolutely no problem with the backlash from the CITIZENS.  It's when the GOVERNMENT is stepping in that I have a major problem with this.

[Forsythia]

I have an issue with the government stepping in as well.  It's not like he is not allowing gay patrons or employees.  If he were, then I would want the government to step in.  He is well within his right to contibute to anti-gay causes, just like white supremacists are allowed to protest inter-racial marriages.