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[old salt]

What I'm intolerant of is being treated like a second class citizen.

  What I'm asking for is equal rights and protections under the law.  If that means you want to take away the rights afforded to you when you get married, fine.  I would prefer that all couples have the same rights you hetro couples are afforded.

Who is treating you like a second class citizen?  Chick-Fil-A?  Do they discriminate?  Are they denying you equal rights and protections?

I have yet to see a post that treats you like a second class citizen. 

I too think all couples should have the same rights.  But I can still be against gay marriage.  My beliefs have nothing to do with treating anyone like a second class citizen.

Maybe this will help explain:

Anyway, the left may get gay marriage accepted most places one day, but they need to give up this ridiculous fantasy that support for traditional marriage is ever going to go away. It’s like how promiscuity is much more accepted now in society, but even though society changed on that, Christianity still clearly teaches against it. And a thousand years from now, it still will.

Similarly, the Bible is pretty clear on what God considers a marriage to be and that is not going to change. Christianity has been around for thousands of years through great oppression and violence, and gay marriage is not going to be the thing that does it in. So if some people think they can bully certain religious opinions away, they’re in for a rude awakening. And if they go after our freedom of speech and religion while also threatening one of our favorite fried foods, then they’ve unleashed hell.

http://www.imao.us/index.php/2012/08/eat-mor-chikin-for-freedom/

[Forsythia]

 My daddy is a liberal, my momma is a liberal.  Hell my whole family are liberals.  I have heard so many horror stories about people coming out to their family and how it made them feel.  I had no problems.  They were actually really supportive.  I would hate to be in the situation that some kids are.  I mean to be rejected by your family to the point where you kill yourself is just unfathomable.   

[old salt]

I can show you where they donate the money they make to organizations that do those things. And it's not in small amounts. 

I'd like to know which organizations you're referring to.  I'll be the first to write to Chick-Fil-A and ask them why they donate money to them, and then ask them to stop giving. 

As a christian company, I doubt they are intentionally giving money to have gays slandered/beaten.  If so, they aren't a christian company, and would then be deserving of a boycott by me.

[Forsythia]

Salt, that's the thing you are failing to grasp.  Gay marriage bans legalize the discrimination of a class.    If I were to have a partner they couldn't recieve health care from my employer.  What you are missing also is that freedom of religion means freedom from religion.   You can have your beliefs, but the state should not uphold any laws based on a religion.

Now if you want to talk about persecution from a religion Christianity has that in folds.  Do you remember reading about the crusades?  What about the Spanish Inquisition?  How many people throughout history have been slaughtered in the name of your God?  How many people were coerced into believing in your God when they were perfectly happy with their religion?  And again I ask, how does homosexuals getting married effect you?  If anything you should support gay marriage because it helps the economy.  The states that allow gay marriage have benefited tremendously because of the amout of dollars spent on a variety of things that have to do with marriages.

Believe what you want, but once your beliefs start hurting other people, which on this case they are through law, it stops being about beliefs and starts being about individual rights.

[old salt]

Salt, that's the thing you are failing to grasp.  Gay marriage bans legalize the discrimination of a class.    If I were to have a partner they couldn't recieve health care from my employer.  What you are missing also is that freedom of religion means freedom from religion.   You can have your beliefs, but the state should not uphold any laws based on a religion.

  I agree, which is why I'm for civil unions, whereas marriage is a religious thing.

Now if you want to talk about persecution from a religion Christianity has that in folds.  Do you remember reading about the crusades?  What about the Spanish Inquisition?  How many people throughout history have been slaughtered in the name of your God?  How many people were coerced into believing in your God when they were perfectly happy with their religion? 

The above is for the religion forum.  I'd rather not discuss it in this topic.

And again I ask, how does homosexuals getting married effect you?  If anything you should support gay marriage because it helps the economy.  The states that allow gay marriage have benefited tremendously because of the amout of dollars spent on a variety of things that have to do with marriages.

It does not affect me directly.  And I'll take your word on helping the economy.  It's the sanctity of the institution of marriage that is being affected.  Once marriage is re-defined, the definition can be interpretted to allow anyone to marry anything.

Believe what you want, but once your beliefs start hurting other people, which on this case they are through law, it stops being about beliefs and starts being about individual rights.

I tried to disagree with your statement above, but couldn't.  I'm not sure how I can disassociate my beliefs with what is the law.  If equal rights for all is not the law, then the law should be changed, not necessarily the definition of marriage.

[Forsythia]

Salt, I apologize for calling you a bigot.  I misunderstood the point you were trying to mKe and I do apologize for that. 

Frankly I don't care what you call it.   You could call it dorfunder for all I care.   I just want equality for myself and those like me.  The only reason I used the word "marriage" us because of the way it is defined by law.  Unfortunately moat civil unions don't afford people the same rights and protections that marriages do.  That's all I want, is to be afforded the same protections that heterosexual couples are afforded.

[Baby Hitler]

And yet, someone marrying their cat is the same as two women getting married.

Not sure how you can call it the same thing.

Never did call it the same thing. Not sure where you got that from my posts.

To cross that line will lead to three partner marriages, animals and humans, along with anything else that someone decides they want to 'marry'. 

Comparing a gay couple getting married and equating it to animals and humans getting married.


I guess I got it from there.

[Baby Hitler]

If you see that as small minded, then so be it.  I see it as maintaining the sanctity of an institition that has been around for....well, forever.

Forever?

Here is a listing of biblical marriages for you, with pictures even.

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[Professor H]

I like the cartoon with references to the Old Testament...
Of course back then they lived hundreds of years
so they may have needed that many wives 
Anyone can select a few things here or there from a source as the Old Testament - Wars, Slavery, Sacrifices, Revenge... but in the whole context - they learned and evolved -  Just as we are. 

[old salt]

Comparing a gay couple getting married and equating it to animals and humans getting married.


I guess I got it from there.

ok.  Although equating something is not the same as leading to.

And thanks for the pic.  Where's the same sex pic?

[Baggins]

Here's my take on the issue...The owner has every right to have the religious view he has, it's a fundamental corner stone of our country, that being said, any one who doesn't like it can simply choose not to buy a sandwich from him. 

I hate to admit it, but I kind of agree with old salt on this, it's not tolerance they want(because they themselves are wholly intolerant of any opposing view), it's attention and preferential treatment.  If it was tolerance, they wouldn't be staging this gay kissing nonsense...All that says is, "look at me, look at me".

[Forsythia]

Also where's the pic of a woman with two husbands?  I have a very close friend who has two hubby's and they're quite happy together.  I guess polygamy is ok as long as it's a man with multiple wives....

[Flanders]

Never did call it the same thing. Not sure where you got that from my posts.

Wow that's the first time I've seen a Willy Wonka meme here!