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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #390 on: July 03, 2013, 12:17:41 AM »

They delayed the business "tax"... but not the individual one

The two words are relatively indistinguishable according to legalese: both are corporate entities created by governments, although they are usually treated differently.  And none of Obamacare or any other corporate policy promulgated by the US! is applicable to real human beings who act like it...it's as simple as that.
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #391 on: July 03, 2013, 12:20:44 AM »

   I, for one, wish for nothing more than for the sheeple out there to just pay their FedNotes and shut the hell up about it already.  Sheeple are the slaves, International Banksters are the masters, the corporate US! is the middleman - get over your stupid selves...
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #392 on: July 03, 2013, 07:20:15 AM »


It also does not change the individual mandate, which requires most Americans to purchase insurance. Jarrett said the online health exchanges will still be up Oct. 1. Exchanges are websites where consumers can shop for and buy health insurance.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/07/02/obama-delay-health-care-law/2484623/


I don't think that statement is totally true.

Lots of States have not set up exchanges, and I don't think the Feds have a solution of how to do it yet.
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #393 on: July 03, 2013, 05:25:02 PM »

The Administration granted an extension for businesses - not for individuals...

Clear as mud, just like the rest of the legislation  ;D

The thought is they wanted to get one more year (and round of elections in...)
Before the rest of the working people found out the taxes

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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #394 on: July 03, 2013, 10:07:35 PM »

The Administration granted an extension for businesses - not for individuals...

Clear as mud, just like the rest of the legislation  ;D

The thought is they wanted to get one more year (and round of elections in...)
Before the rest of the working people found out the taxes

Candidly, most businesses can't afford it.  It's not 'affordable' at all.
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #395 on: July 04, 2013, 12:05:15 AM »

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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #396 on: July 04, 2013, 10:17:37 AM »




............right after the mid term elections.  Keep in mind the employer mandate is merely postponed not removed.

It amazes me that Canada, England and many civilized countries have socialised medicine and it works but let HBO get his fingers in it and it can't work.

The cost of health care has become stupid in this country primarily because of the 'get rich' attitude of practioners and the suffocating regulations imposed by the 'all knowing' government, hell bent on protecting the citizens from themselves.
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #397 on: July 04, 2013, 04:38:21 PM »

The cost of health care has become stupid in this country primarily because of the 'get rich' attitude of practioners and the suffocating regulations imposed by the 'all knowing' government, hell bent on protecting the citizens from themselves.

Don't forget the cost of medical malpractice insurance and defending lawsuits....

The Lawyers are playing into this too - and Obamacare did NOTHING to address that - in fact they totally ignored that.

Why is that I wonder?  Could it be the trial lawyers donate a ton of money to politicians?
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #398 on: July 04, 2013, 04:42:52 PM »

Hospitals say they are non-profit?  Somebody makes a lot of money for the prices they charge.   Doctors for the most part are all millionaires.
it would be interesting to compare how much doctors make in the United States vs Canada or Great Britain.
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #399 on: July 04, 2013, 04:57:28 PM »

Non-profit is misinterpreted by many...

It doesn't mean you can't make money,
It just is reinvested back into the company for salaries, expansion, equipment and such...

 
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #400 on: July 05, 2013, 10:01:28 PM »

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President Barack Obama’s latest legal end run around Congress — delaying enforcement of the employer health mandate — has sparked more questions about whether he’s abusing his executive discretion under the Constitution.
The move announced late Tuesday was the latest in a string of decisions where the president, facing a divided Congress unable to get much done beyond keeping the government running, has taken matters into his own hands.
Where a previous president might have asked for a legislative fix if a mandate was proving too onerous for business, the Obama administration put out a couple of blog posts saying that, in listening to the business community, it decided not to enforce a key part of the 3-year-old health law for another year.
The administration notes that parts of laws are delayed in implementation all the time — including various pieces of the tax code.
A Treasury official said the administration has “longstanding administrative authority to grant transition relief when implementing new legislation like the ACA.”
But three House committees are already looking into the decision, with Republicans complaining about a disturbing trend where the president decides which laws to enforce and which to ignore.
Darrell Issa of California, the chairman of Oversight and Government Reform, called the decision “another in a string of extra legal actions” taken by Obama.
“As a former constitutional law teacher, President Obama must know that this action gets into very questionable constitutional territory,” Issa said in a statement to CQ Roll Call. “It also paves the way for future administrations to simply not enforce parts of Obamacare they don’t believe are functioning well.”
Ways and Means Health Subcommittee Chairman Kevin Brady of Texas announced a hearing July 10 focusing on the administration’s authority to delay enforcement.
And Rep. Phil Roe of Tennessee, the chairman of an Education and the Workforce subcommittee, asked the Congressional Research Service to investigate.
“I believe this administration has made a habit of bypassing Congress and it sets a very dangerous precedent,” Roe said in a statement to CQ Roll Call. “Both Republicans and Democrats should be very concerned, and I will continue to closely monitor these actions and hold the president accountable.”
- See more at: http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/obama_bypasses_congress_again_with_health_mandate_delay-226124-1.html?popular=true&cdn_load=true&zkPrintable=1&nopagination=1#sthash.uGH9Fwk8.dpuf


I thought Obama was for the little guy - but he is letting businesses off the hook.

Does this mean the next President can ignore the law altogether?????

What happened to the Separation of Powers?
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #401 on: July 06, 2013, 09:38:13 AM »

I don't think obama is letting business off the hook at all.
He is afraid that democrats will really get hammered in the next mid-term elections if allowed to take affect.  He want's Nancy back in charge of the House for his last two year so he can really screw this country up.
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #402 on: July 06, 2013, 07:01:37 PM »

So you are saying Obama is afraid that his crowning legislative achievement will be bad for them in the mid term elections?

But I thought Joe declared it a Big F'ing deal!
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #403 on: July 06, 2013, 09:27:48 PM »

yep Joe says it's another big welfare program..
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Re: The price of Obamacare.
« Reply #404 on: July 06, 2013, 09:38:39 PM »

yep Joe says it's another big welfare program..

And that is the truth.

Wealth redistribution at its finest.
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