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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #165 on: June 17, 2012, 11:51:28 PM »

"Reporters were kicked out of Mitt Romney's talk at the Newseum in Washington, D.C. on Wednesday night. The candidate was there to speak to executives at a meeting of the Business Roundtable...The Los Angeles Times noted that the same thing happened when President Obama spoke to the group at the Newseum in March — making such actions part of a pattern for the Business Roundtable...".

Reporters Kicked Out Of Romney Event At Newseum
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #166 on: June 17, 2012, 11:52:05 PM »

"Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson has reportedly donated $10 million to a super PAC supporting Mitt Romney, as he hinted he would after a recent Las Vegas meeting with the GOP candidate. Adelson's $10 million check is by far the biggest gift to date to Restore Our Future, a group that's attracted five new billionaire donors in as many weeks...".

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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #167 on: June 17, 2012, 11:53:22 PM »

"... in a column in The National Review, Mitt Romney foreign policy adviser John Bolton split with his candidate's calls to arm the Syrian rebels, concluding that, "neither U.S. military assistance to the opposition nor current administration policy, which has stumbled from failure to failure over the past year, will advance legitimate American interests." Instead, Bolton urges observers not to be swayed by the "emotion" of Syrians being killed by President Bashar al-Assad's forces...".

Scary: 50% Chance This Guy Will Decide U.S. Foreign Policy
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #168 on: June 17, 2012, 11:57:18 PM »

2012 Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney gave a speech about how greatness should be measured by sacrifice, but does this conflict with his draft dodging during the Vietnam war? The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur explains.

Mitt Romney - Vietnam War Draft Dodger


This Trader and Coward spent 31 months in France during the Vietnam War so he could evade his responsibility as an american. He puts himself and his wealth first. His actions say: the hell with his country. This man thinks it is a right of the privileged to reap the benefits of freedom on the backs of veterans. Mitt, what has been your contribution or sacrifice to this country as an american other than becoming a capitalistic vulgar?

Mitt Romney - Not American - Draft Dodger
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #170 on: June 18, 2012, 02:33:57 PM »

2012 Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney gave a speech about how greatness should be measured by sacrifice, but does this conflict with his draft dodging during the Vietnam war? The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur explains.

Mitt Romney - Vietnam War Draft Dodger


This Trader and Coward spent 31 months in France during the Vietnam War so he could evade his responsibility as an american. He puts himself and his wealth first. His actions say: the hell with his country. This man thinks it is a right of the privileged to reap the benefits of freedom on the backs of veterans. Mitt, what has been your contribution or sacrifice to this country as an american other than becoming a capitalistic vulgar?

Mitt Romney - Not American - Draft Dodger
Jun 12, 2012 by usarmyveteranvoter
Please cite that he did it for draft dodging purpose and not for his religious faith. Mormon's, I think, are required by the church to do a missionary trip around the time they turn 18 or 19 and it lasts awhile. Romney left Stanford to go on a missionary trip in 1966, when he was 19. Why is it wrong for Mitt to do what his religion requires him to? I don't agree with his religion, but he should be allowed to believe in whatever faith he wants.  Oh, that is right he is a Republican, so Cenk will take any chance to blast him, which means you will blast him because you believe every word that Cenk speaks.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #171 on: June 18, 2012, 02:52:06 PM »

She explained it well so consider yourself lucky as I wouldn't have bothered responding to your worthless contributions.You've been on this site for quite some time now and it's clear you've learned nothing.  8*
Well maybe your next contribution well have value....I mean I'm sure everybody is eagerly awaiting your clever posts....LOL.

There's something to be said about someone who has to laugh out loud at their own joke.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #172 on: June 18, 2012, 03:50:15 PM »

Please cite that he did it for draft dodging purpose and not for his religious faith. Mormon's, I think, are required by the church to do a missionary trip around the time they turn 18 or 19 and it lasts awhile. Romney left Stanford to go on a missionary trip in 1966, when he was 19. Why is it wrong for Mitt to do what his religion requires him to? I don't agree with his religion, but he should be allowed to believe in whatever faith he wants.  Oh, that is right he is a Republican, so Cenk will take any chance to blast him, which means you will blast him because you believe every word that Cenk speaks.

LGW:  Let me answer that as I am a Mormon; although I became one in my late 40's in 2007 so I missed out on the missionary experience as a youth.  My wife and I will go on a senior mission when we are older and my daughter is in college (no doubt BYU).

The church encourages all able-bodied young men in their late teens or 20's to go on a church mission.  The elders serve in the mission field for generally 2 years.  Sometimes they extend their mission for another few months.  While it is not required, it is highly encouraged, sometimes it is even a non-decision when dad, mom, all your brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles have all gone on Missions.  Most young men do go on missions.  At the Monroe Ward (our church designation) we have members who have served in mission fields in Haiti, Peru, France, Taiwan, Alaska, Norway, Canada, Portugal and Brazil (just to name a few).  We have had missionaries in our ward from Brazil, the UK and Uganda.

As to the Romney family; I don't know if his brother Scott ever went on a mission.

Female members of our church (sister missionaries) serve a shorter mission; usually 18 months.  Most that I have known have served missions in the SW US and Canada.  However; I have known some that have served in the mission field in the UK and Australia.

It's fine LGW if you don't agree with my faith.  Our 11th article sums up our belief as to differences of faith quite well: We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.  Believe as you wish - or not at all!

Lastly; I became a strong fan of Mitt Romney in 2002 while sitting in the stands of Rice-Eccles stadium on the University of Utah Campus while watching the closing ceremonies of the 2002 Winter Olympics.  I was so impressed with the great organization of the winter games; all the venues that we attended during the last week of the games were easy to get to and everything worked fine.  At that point in time, my wife and I decided to support Mitt in any election bid; and we were able to do so in 2008 and again in 2012.

I apologize for straying somewhat from the topic.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #173 on: June 18, 2012, 03:56:31 PM »

LGW:  Let me answer that as I am a Mormon; although I became one in my late 40's in 2007 so I missed out on the missionary experience as a youth.  My wife and I will go on a senior mission when we are older and my daughter is in college (no doubt BYU).

The church encourages all able-bodied young men in their late teens on 20's to go on a church mission.  The elders serve in the mission field for generally 2 years.  Sometimes they extend their mission for another few months.  While it is not required, it is highly encouraged, sometimes it is even a non-decision when dad, mom, all your brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles have all gone on Missions.  Most young men do go on missions.  At the Monroe Ward (our church designation) we have members who have served in mission fields in Haiti, Peru, France, Taiwan, Alaska, Norway, Canada, Portugal and Brazil (just to name a few).

As to the Romney family; I don't know if his brother Scott ever went on a mission.

Female members of our church (sister missionaries) serve a shorter mission; usually 18 weeks.  Most that I have known have served missions in the US and Canada.  However; I have known some that have served in the mission field in the UK and Australia.

It's fine LGW if you don't agree with my faith.  Our 11th article sums up our belief as to differences of faith quite well: We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

Lastly; I became a strong fan of Mitt Romney in 2002 while sitting in the stands of Rice-Eccles stadium on the University of Utah Campus while watching the closing ceremonies of the Winter Olympics.  I was so impressed with the great organization of the winter games; all the venues were easy to get to and everything worked fine.  At that point in time, my wife and I decided to support Mitt in any election bid; and we were able to do so in 2008 and again in 2012.

I apologize for straying somewhat from the topic.
Thank you for the information it was extremely helpful, and hopefully clears up some issues on why Romney went on his missionary trip. I thought it was required, but I was just thinking about when Manti Te'o, ND LB, decided to skip out on the missionary to continue playing football at Notre Dame.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #174 on: June 21, 2012, 08:49:46 AM »

On a stage crowded with war heroes, Mitt Romney recently praised the sacrifice “of the great men and women of every generation who serve in our armed services.”

It is a sacrifice the Republican presidential candidate did not make.

Though an early supporter of the Vietnam War, Romney avoided military service at the height of the fighting after high school by seeking and receiving four draft deferments, according to Selective Service records. They included college deferments and a 31-month stretch as a “minister of religion” in France, a classification for Mormon missionaries that the church at the time feared was being overused.
http://www.nwherald.com/2012/06/05/romneys-deferments-in-1960s-face-new-scrutiny/aiqppmm/


Political rivals, military veterans among them, suggest that Romney's own decision not to serve in the military is in conflict with his pro-military rhetoric.

"He didn't have the courage to go. He didn't feel it was important enough to him to serve his country at a time of war," said Jon Soltz, who served two Army tours in Iraq and is the chairman of the left-leaning veterans group VoteVets.org.

Critics note that the candidate is among three generations of Romneys – including his father, former Michigan Gov. George Romney, and five sons – who were of military age during armed conflicts but did not serve.

"It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam, but nor did I take any actions to remove myself from the pool of young men who were eligible for the draft," Romney told the newspaper.

But that's exactly what Romney did, according Selective Service records. He received his first deferment for "activity in study" in October 1965 while at Stanford.

As Soltz notes, the younger Romney was under no obligation to seek a college-related deferment.

"Vietnam was a war that the poor and the people who couldn't afford to go to college had to go to," Soltz said.

After his first year at Stanford, Romney qualified for 4-D deferment status as "a minister of religion or divinity student." It was a status he would hold from July 1966 until February 1969, a period he largely spent in France working as a Mormon missionary.

He was granted the deferment even as some young Mormon men elsewhere were denied that same status, which became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s. The Mormon church, a strong supporter of American involvement in Vietnam, ultimately limited the number of church missionaries allowed to defer their military service using the religious exemption.

But as fighting in Vietnam raged, Romney spent two and a half years trying to win Mormon converts in France. About that same time, Romney's father would famously speak out against Vietnam, declaring that he had been "brainwashed" by military officials into supporting the conflict.

Young Romney's comments indicated his support had waned, too.

"If it wasn't a political blunder to move into Vietnam, I don't know what is," a 23-year-old Romney would tell The Boston Globe in 1970 during the fifth year of his deferment.

His 31-month religious deferment expired in early 1969. And Romney received an academic studies deferment for much of the next two years. He became available for military service at the end of 1970 when his deferments ran out and he could have been drafted. But by that time, America was beginning to slice its troop levels, and Romney's relatively high lottery number – 300 out of 365 – was not called.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #176 on: June 23, 2012, 02:25:34 PM »

Mitt Romney Uninterested In Marco Rubio As VP Candidate?
"Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is not being vetted as a possible vice presidential candidate to run alongside Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney in the general election, according to ABC News. The news comes as speculation swirls over who might emerge Romney's running mate in his campaign against President Barack Obama...".*

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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #177 on: June 24, 2012, 01:46:07 PM »

Egalitarian Mormonism v. Mitt's plutocratic narcissism

And, lo, Samuel the Lamanite decried the greedy habits of the inhabitants of Zarahemla and proclaimed them doomed: "You are cursed because of your riches," declared the prophet.

Though a cautionary tale from Biblical times, Zarahemla would seem familiar to us today with its exaltation of wealth, extreme class division, crass money corruption of politics, and government's disregard for the poor and needy. Only, the fate of Zarahemla is not a Bible story ­ it's from the Book of Mormon.

With lifelong Mormon leader Mitt Romney running for president, the national media's focus on the religion has mostly dealt with fundamentalist Christian Republicans who insist that Mormonism is an unholy sect. But little attention has been paid to the remarkably-progressive egalitarianism at the center of the Church's doctrinal founding an ethos 180-degrees opposite of Romney's unabashed celebration of avaricious wealth accumulators like... well, like him. Those who criticize Wall Street greed and government policies that favor rich, Romney says, are simply guilty of envy and class war

However, Salt Lake City writer Troy Williams points out in a recent Salon article that Mormonism's founders, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, preached and practiced a social order based on communalism. Not communism, in the Marxist sense, but a form of communal living and shared resources. "There shall be no private ownership of [streams and timber]," Young decreed. "These belong to the people; all the people." The frontier prophet also said, "We have plenty here," and, under communalism, "No person [will] suffer if there is an equal distribution of the necessaries of life."

Wouldn't it be fun to hear Mitt reconcile this moral imperative of Mormon egalitarianism with his present espousal of plutocratic narcissism?

"When Mormons Were Socialists: Why the Mormon Church's Founders Would be
Very Disappointed in Mitt Romney,"
www.alternet.org, April
15, 2012.

"Communalism vs. Communism,"
www.ldsdoctrine.blogspot.com,
August 29, 2009.

"Samuel the Lamanite," www.wikipedia.org

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Mitt Romney....Outsourcing: The Bain Of Romney's existence
« Reply #178 on: June 24, 2012, 02:19:11 PM »

Outsourcing: The Bain Of Romney's existence

Mitt Romney prides himself on his success in the private sector at Bain Capital. But a Washington Post investigation reveals Romney was a pioneer in outsourcing jobs for some of Bain's biggest clients. Ed talks to Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan about Romney's business philosophy and why it might clash with America's economic interests.

The ED Show - Outsourcing: The Bain Of Romney's existence
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #179 on: June 24, 2012, 04:51:57 PM »

Mitt Romney's Fundraiser A 'Who's Who Of Horrible Republicans'

2012 Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney's fundraiser in Utah is about big money donors looking to influence the U.S. government

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