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« Reply #1035 on: October 01, 2012, 01:18:00 PM »

Mitt Romney released new tax documents Friday showing he and his wife Ann received $13.7 million in investment income and paid more than $1.9 million in federal income taxes or a 14.1% effective rate in 2011. The documents, which fulfilled a campaign promise, also included a claim that the Romneys' personal federal income tax rate during the past 20 years has never been lower than 13.66%.

The documents also made clear that Romney, who donates millions of dollars to charity each year, reduced the amount of charitable deduction he claimed this year to keep his federal tax rate above 13%.

The 2011 returns for the Romneys were part of a package of documents released by the Republican presidential nominee that also included his wife's trust, the family's charitable trust, medical records for Romney and his running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and tax returns and disclosure reports for Ryan and his wife, Janna.

It is the second of the two years of returns Romney has said he would release. He released his 2010 returns in January after coming under attack from Republican opponents before the crucial early primary contests of South Carolina and Florida.

Romney made his fortune running private equity firm Bain Capital and most of the Romneys' $13.7 million income came from investments. Capital gains and dividends are taxed at 15% -- a lower rate than the 35% on ordinary income such as wages and salaries. The 2011 tax return shows he earned $190,350 in speaking fees and $260,390 as a director of other companies.

President Obama and Vice President Biden have each released 12 years of returns.
The Romneys' 2011 return showed they donated more than $4 million but claimed only $2.25 million.

"The Romneys voluntarily limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the governor's statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years," the campaign explained.

Obama campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said in a statement late Friday, "Today's release of Mitt Romney's 2011 tax returns confirms what we already knew â?? that people like Mitt Romney pay a lower tax rate than many middle-class families because of a set of complex loopholes and tax shelters only available to those at the top. Yet, Mitt Romney still wants to give multimillionaires an additional $250,000 tax cut at the expense of middle-class taxpayers who will see their taxes go up."

During a South Carolina primary debate in January, Romney said he had only paid "the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more."

"I don't think you want someone as the candidate for president who pays more taxes than he owes," he said.

Romney told ABC News in July," Frankly, if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president. I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires."

Asked how the decision squared with Romney's comments, adviser Michele Davis said the Romneys were in a "unique position."

"He has been clear that no American need pay more than he or she owes under the law," she said. "At the same time, he was in the unique position of having made a commitment to the public that his tax rate would be above 13%. He directed his preparers to ensure that he is consistent with that statement."

Martin Press, a tax law expert from the Gunster law firm in Fort Lauderdale, said there were several ways to look at Romney's decision to claim less than he gave in charitable contributions.

"You could look at it one way and say he's being very magnanimous and not taking all of his charitable deductions, even though he was entitled to under the law. That's the Republican view," Press said. "The Democratic view is he's so scared that his tax rate would go down too low that he didn't take all his deductions. It's an interesting comment on our tax system."

"You could call it manipulation; he did manipulate what percentage he wanted to pay in taxes," said Ellen Minkow, an accountant at MS 1040 LLC in New York City.

Fred Slater, another accountant with the firm, hypothesized that Romney's decision to forgo some of the deductions to which he was entitled cost him a little under $300,000.

The Romneys' charitable donations go to their own foundation -- the Tyler Charitable Foundation -- and to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Tithing, or contributing at least one tenth of one's income to the church, is a tenet of the Mormon faith.

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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1036 on: October 01, 2012, 01:19:29 PM »

Republicans attack Romney's losing strategy as the Obama campaign attacks Romney's 2011 tax returns

The Last Word - Republicans slam Romney strategy
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1037 on: October 01, 2012, 01:21:25 PM »

Mitt Romney's Problem Is MITT ROMNEY!

Mitt Romney's Problem Is MITT ROMNEY!
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1038 on: October 01, 2012, 01:22:23 PM »

Video shows just how un-sure 'Mitt Romney' is about almost everything in the world, See for yourself.

Still Voting For 'Mitt Romney'?
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1039 on: October 01, 2012, 01:23:24 PM »

This video is about some of the traits and personalities of Mitt Romney, One of them is of course being a liar, Enjoy.

'Mitt Romney' The Liar
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« Reply #1041 on: October 01, 2012, 01:27:14 PM »

Former vice presidential economic advisor Jared Bernstein corrects Mitt Romney's muddled math on how much in spending -- mostly to social welfare programs -- he would need to cut to pay for his planned tax cuts.

Martin Bashir - Romney's remedial math on fixing the economy
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« Reply #1042 on: October 01, 2012, 01:30:59 PM »

Here are the FACTS: on 07/29/2012 in an ABC interview Mitt Romney Said:

"My View is that I Have Paid all the Taxes Required by Law... I Don't Pay More then are Legally Due & Frankly if I Had Paid More, then are Legally Due I Don't Think I'd be Qualified to become President I Think People would want me to Follow the Law and Pay Only what the Tax Code Requires"

Ok That sounds Reasonable.. Now Lets Review Mitt's 2011 Tax Return Released on 9/21/2012 .. 13.7Million in Income..(Mostly Investments) $1.9Million Paid in Taxes (an Effective 14.1% Tax Rate) He Donated $4Million to Charity (mostly his Church & LDS Disaster Relief /Charity programs) Yet he only Took a $2.25Million Dollar Deduction.. When he was Legally Allowed to Write off the Full $4Million.

In other words, Mitt Romeny Paid *MORE* in Federal Income in his 2011 Tax Return than what he was Legally Required to (pay $600,000 more then required) Because he Didn't want his take Rate to Drop to Approximately 9%)

MITT ROMNEY SAYS " I Don't Think I'm Qualified to be President " (Read Description)
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« Reply #1043 on: October 01, 2012, 02:24:18 PM »

The radical right? The radical right! This I assume you mean those of the conservative bent. We "radicals" believe trillion dollar plus yearly deficits are dangerous thing for the future of the country. Your side blows them off.
It is necessary to borrow and print money to maintain the welfare state because that is the compassionte thing.
But what will Obama do when he runs out of other people's money and the Fed's printed money ends up devaluing  the currency at a rate of 15-20% per year? Blame it on Bush?

No Romney isn't my first choice. Yet his business background is one that revives faiing businesses. And Obama's business background? Zip, nada, nothing. Throwing 48 billion taxpayer dollars to resusitate GM isn't what I would
call innovative and transformative.

Obama has no plan. If you have a plan you can be criticized, better to bash Romney and Ryan who have a plan.
Same strategy for Dem Senate. Don't offer a budget because it might not be politically beneficial, just bash the
budget the Republican Congress offered. 

Duck it boils down to this. Win at any cost and screw the country. 
 


There ya go, John.  I was trying tell you and your radicals why you are not way ahead with a presidential candidate.  I am just as aware of how you and your blessed far right view it.  I wasn't trying to take that away, just show WHY you are not winning by major margins.  It isn't Romney, it is that same division and intolerance that you just showed.  The complete unwillingness to compromise because “you are right and everyone else is wrong,” divide the country and HATE.

I tried to say what I am perceiving from ordinary people around the country.  Am I biased, yes, could I be wrong, yes.  But, I did try to keep my own bias out.  I stayed away from social issues, except in general, because bias would show. 

“Win at any cost and screw the country.”  That boils down to one sentence pretty much what I get people are saying about the R’s.  Romney, in isolation, isn’t bad.  What I think people see is that the extremist right is so demanding of “their way or the highway” that Romney would be nothing but a puppet to the same extremism that they are rejecting.

I appreciate that you said your own personal views, but I was NOT trying to say mine, but rather what I am picking up from the people in general.  I am very aware of your and other far right people’s thinking.  I see the same kind of tone, however usually far more toned toward hating Obama than FOR Romney.  That is irrelevant, as is what the far left thinks.  I was trying to make a commentary about general people in the middle.

Sadly, that you could not see past partisanship to look at what I gathered reinforces what I did say.  The Republican party has been forced too far to the extreme with a “no one else can possibly be right; no compromise” attitude.

See, the thing is, John, with a bad economy and a previously moderate candidate, Romney should be able to walk away with a win.  He isn’t and that brings the obvious question of why not.  That he still has to pander to the extreme right of the R party instead of the vast middle is the first clue where to look.

I don’t recall pushing a pro Obama idea or a negative Romney idea.  What I did try to say is the manner and dividing ways of the extreme right are the problem with Romney and NOT Romney the candidate.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1044 on: October 01, 2012, 03:42:07 PM »

Duck,

I think both parties refuse to compromise most of the time.

Since their vision seems to have diverged into opposite corners - this can only make sense.

To say one party is less willing then the other does not seem to be supported by fact.  The Senate has failed to take up numerous bills that were passed by the house.  While the House has passed budgets, the Senate has never passed one, and refuses to debate the houses.  When the Senate passes a bill the house usually does the same thing.

Again - I am one of those independents the media loves to talk about - and I am telling you there is no clear cut bad guy in this fight.  It is more like two rival gangs that are both corrupt and evil battling it out.

Why is one candidate not way out in front?  In one corner you have a failed President.  In the other corner you have a guy who seems incapable of delivering a coherent message, and inspires no one.  As a referee you have a media that focuses the talk on items that don't matter in the least - but we talk about and debate for days.

At the end of the day you have a large chunk that will vote for Obama cause they vote Democrat, a large chunk that will vote for Romney cause he is Republican, and a bunch of people in the middle that are uninspired by either.  How that group breaks - who knows.

This whole election reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids have to chose a new mascot - and their choices are a turd sandwich and a giant douche. 

Personally I am going to break for the giant douche, cause I know the turd sandwich tastes terrible.  What I am not going to do is pretend one is righteous and the other is evil.  Both sides are terrible.

Vote Green Party I guess - which is the equivalent of "none of the above."

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« Reply #1045 on: October 01, 2012, 04:21:59 PM »

Duck,

I think both parties refuse to compromise most of the time.

Since their vision seems to have diverged into opposite corners - this can only make sense.

To say one party is less willing then the other does not seem to be supported by fact.  The Senate has failed to take up numerous bills that were passed by the house.  While the House has passed budgets, the Senate has never passed one, and refuses to debate the houses.  When the Senate passes a bill the house usually does the same thing.

Again - I am one of those independents the media loves to talk about - and I am telling you there is no clear cut bad guy in this fight.  It is more like two rival gangs that are both corrupt and evil battling it out.

Why is one candidate not way out in front?  In one corner you have a failed President.  In the other corner you have a guy who seems incapable of delivering a coherent message, and inspires no one.  As a referee you have a media that focuses the talk on items that don't matter in the least - but we talk about and debate for days.

At the end of the day you have a large chunk that will vote for Obama cause they vote Democrat, a large chunk that will vote for Romney cause he is Republican, and a bunch of people in the middle that are uninspired by either.  How that group breaks - who knows.

This whole election reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids have to chose a new mascot - and their choices are a turd sandwich and a giant douche. 

Personally I am going to break for the giant douche, cause I know the turd sandwich tastes terrible.  What I am not going to do is pretend one is righteous and the other is evil.  Both sides are terrible.

Vote Green Party I guess - which is the equivalent of "none of the above."



Hey, if your vote is up for grabs you can always vote for Gary Johnson.
I like his add.
Vote Libertarian just once.

I mean what the hell, the R's and D's have had 156 years to eff this country up why not try Libertarian for a change?
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1046 on: October 01, 2012, 04:29:53 PM »

Hey, if your vote is up for grabs you can always vote for Gary Johnson.
I like his add.
Vote Libertarian just once.

I mean what the hell, the R's and D's have had 156 years to eff this country up why not try Libertarian for a change?

I find some libertarian positions to be as lunatic as some green party positions.

If I were to vote third party it would probably be Libertarian in reality, but they are even worse then what the Republicans PRETEND to be at election times.

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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1047 on: October 01, 2012, 06:35:01 PM »

I have to agree with Sammy here. Churches (any church) are prohibited from donating directly to any political organization, or they lose their tax exempt status.

I don't see any church foolish enough to do that.

If a Methodist donated a million dollars,it would only be fair to extrapolate that the Methodist Church had donated a million dollars. I see what you did there.

Whatever, you can all live in a fantasy world if you like...Romney is a saint and the Mormon church isn't backing their boy...OK, believe that if you must and it makes you sleep well at night.

I'm done, that's what you want, right?   For me to give up and let you all prattle on with your rhetoric...Preach away oh faithful followers, preach away!
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1048 on: October 01, 2012, 08:24:50 PM »

Whatever, you can all live in a fantasy world if you like...Romney is a saint and the Mormon church isn't backing their boy...OK, believe that if you must and it makes you sleep well at night.

I'm done, that's what you want, right?   For me to give up and let you all prattle on with your rhetoric...Preach away oh faithful followers, preach away!
Present some compelling evidence and I'll back you until then please keep your nasty comments to yourself
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« Reply #1049 on: October 02, 2012, 12:06:01 AM »

Whatever, you can all live in a fantasy world if you like...Romney is a saint and the Mormon church isn't backing their boy...OK, believe that if you must and it makes you sleep well at night.

I'm done, that's what you want, right?   For me to give up and let you all prattle on with your rhetoric...Preach away oh faithful followers, preach away!

Com'on Bags.  Stop talking foolish.  The church doesn't back Romney and I will tell you why.  Any benefit that the church would get by backing Romney, it would certainly loose by being stripped of its 501(C)(3) status.

If denigrating Romney's faith makes you feel good - then have at it.  I see it for what it is: the imbecilic ramblings of an ill-informed, ill-educated bigot.
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