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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1110 on: October 04, 2012, 11:02:46 AM »

And why is that?  The stock market is back up.  New and existing home sales are up.  The auto industry is in full recovery mode.  We have health care for people with pre-existing condtions, and a progressive social policy.  There have been a few bumps in the road but considering the republican party insults their base at every turn, AND have no detailed plan on what they would do with the economy I would say that Obama and the Democrats are a shoe in.  Not to mention the extremeist rights views on what a woman should and should not be able to do with her body. 

New / Existing home sales are up as compared to?  I don't think this is an issue the Pres. should touch and the reason I believe this is simple - while "sales" maybe up as a percentage the value of homes have not returned and many of the "middle American" folks he needs to reach are still underwater.  Highlighting something that is a "marginal" improvement at best will only remind them that they have lost equity and others have benefited from this. 

The auto industry is in full recovery but at what cost?  Honestly - considering there were more than 2,000 dealerships shut down I don't know if this is a great "target" issue.  But - I am sure it will sell well to a huge group the Pres. needs - Union members.  I just don't know if guys like me (who are non-union (currently), have not bought a new car, saw our pension funds lose money (owning stock in GM) without redress) want to be reminded how the federal gov. picked winners and losers.  To neutralize this issue - I think the Pres. could remind everyone how the beginning of the bailout was started by Pres. Bush using TARP funds. 

One has always been able to carry children on insurance if you were willing to pay for it.  Now that it is mandated - where does that cost go?  It could not have went away - right?  Did this inadvertently raise everyones rate as companies began to project the cost of such changes and adjust all premiums across a group? 

There have been more than a few bumps in the road.  I won't repeat it but . . . . record: deficit, unemployment, SSDI, SNAP, WIC and so on.  Additionally - I am most disturbed with Benghazi and the lack of response we have seen.  Not OK and not a "bump" in my opinion. 

The whole "war on women" thing to me is silly.  Geez.  Abortion is legal and the law of the land - if someone wants to "overturn it" - OK.  Good luck with that.  Can States vote to limit some access - yep - and that is local elections not Pres. elections.  Funding for PP (if that's on the table) - OK - cut them the same percentage that every other program gets cut (if at all).  Birth control - honestly - maybe if you can't afford to purchase birth control, maybe you should limit the amount of sex you have (yes, I am being sarcastic).  Many (in Lucas County and Lenewee County) Health departments offer free condoms.  If your a guy and you love (or care for) the woman you wish to sleep with - you should be man enough to protect her and you from the risk of having a child if you do not want one.  Do  condoms fail . . . er, I have four kids . . . YEP!  But . . . both parties then need to be an adult and make a decision together as they make the choice to take the risk.  Mammograms, UW of Monroe County (and others) do a terrific job at helping women who want screenings get them.  Pap-smears - same thing.  Not sure what other "gender only" issues may exist but one thing I know is that, I wish both parties would get the heck outta my (and everyones) personal life. 
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1111 on: October 04, 2012, 11:14:45 AM »

New / Existing home sales are up as compared to?  I don't think this is an issue the Pres. should touch and the reason I believe this is simple - while "sales" maybe up as a percentage the value of homes have not returned and many of the "middle American" folks he needs to reach are still underwater.  Highlighting something that is a "marginal" improvement at best will only remind them that they have lost equity and others have benefited from this. 

The auto industry is in full recovery but at what cost?  Honestly - considering there were more than 2,000 dealerships shut down I don't know if this is a great "target" issue.  But - I am sure it will sell well to a huge group the Pres. needs - Union members.  I just don't know if guys like me (who are non-union (currently), have not bought a new car, saw our pension funds lose money (owning stock in GM) without redress) want to be reminded how the federal gov. picked winners and losers.  To neutralize this issue - I think the Pres. could remind everyone how the beginning of the bailout was started by Pres. Bush using TARP funds. 

One has always been able to carry children on insurance if you were willing to pay for it.  Now that it is mandated - where does that cost go?  It could not have went away - right?  Did this inadvertently raise everyones rate as companies began to project the cost of such changes and adjust all premiums across a group? 

There have been more than a few bumps in the road.  I won't repeat it but . . . . record: deficit, unemployment, SSDI, SNAP, WIC and so on.  Additionally - I am most disturbed with Benghazi and the lack of response we have seen.  Not OK and not a "bump" in my opinion. 

The whole "war on women" thing to me is silly.  Geez.  Abortion is legal and the law of the land - if someone wants to "overturn it" - OK.  Good luck with that.  Can States vote to limit some access - yep - and that is local elections not Pres. elections.  Funding for PP (if that's on the table) - OK - cut them the same percentage that every other program gets cut (if at all).  Birth control - honestly - maybe if you can't afford to purchase birth control, maybe you should limit the amount of sex you have (yes, I am being sarcastic).  Many (in Lucas County and Lenewee County) Health departments offer free condoms.  If your a guy and you love (or care for) the woman you wish to sleep with - you should be man enough to protect her and you from the risk of having a child if you do not want one.  Do  condoms fail . . . er, I have four kids . . . YEP!  But . . . both parties then need to be an adult and make a decision together as they make the choice to take the risk.  Mammograms, UW of Monroe County (and others) do a terrific job at helping women who want screenings get them.  Pap-smears - same thing.  Not sure what other "gender only" issues may exist but one thing I know is that, I wish both parties would get the heck outta my (and everyones) personal life.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1112 on: October 04, 2012, 11:21:04 AM »

Stocks are up and the average worker is making less.

Congratulations, you've just proven that the trickle down theory doesn't work.

actually - not at all, what this shows is that business' respond to economic uncertainty by not reinvesting if they are not sure what will happen with the rate they will be taxed or with what will occur re guarding the coming tax changes with health care.  Like it or not - there are business that will make the decision to hold onto money instead of spending if they do not feel comfortable they will get a return on investment.  There are also business that are holding conversations re guarding health care reform and what will be the best "decision" for them - to continue offering and paying some portion of insurance for employees or to drop the program and pay the "fine" levied by the government and allow employees to move into a government policy group. 

I won't defend trickle down as it seems the narrative of it is so greatly misunderstood.  However - consider this.  If you are married and only one of the spouses work you have one pool of money.  If at somepoint the other spouse goes to work you now have two pools of money to pull from meaning - those funds could be used for more purchasing which will "trickle" more money into the greater economy - the family benefits and those they purchase goods and services from benefit - n .  Not the best of analogies but . . . you get the idea. 
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1113 on: October 04, 2012, 11:22:19 AM »



Funny . . . . just a few post ago you were concerned with Gov. Romney being rude. 
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1114 on: October 04, 2012, 11:36:33 AM »

actually - not at all, what this shows is that business' respond to economic uncertainty by not reinvesting if they are not sure what will happen with the rate they will be taxed or with what will occur re guarding the coming tax changes with health care.  Like it or not - there are business that will make the decision to hold onto money instead of spending if they do not feel comfortable they will get a return on investment.  There are also business that are holding conversations re guarding health care reform and what will be the best "decision" for them - to continue offering and paying some portion of insurance for employees or to drop the program and pay the "fine" levied by the government and allow employees to move into a government policy group. 

I won't defend trickle down as it seems the narrative of it is so greatly misunderstood.  However - consider this.  If you are married and only one of the spouses work you have one pool of money.  If at somepoint the other spouse goes to work you now have two pools of money to pull from meaning - those funds could be used for more purchasing which will "trickle" more money into the greater economy - the family benefits and those they purchase goods and services from benefit - n .  Not the best of analogies but . . . you get the idea. 
Not asking you exactly, but the question…  I hear all the time about the rich having uncertainty about taxes etc and it is made a big deal.  Yet, the rest of us have uncertainty as well, like when will jobs start paying a wage to live on, when will jobs return, if ever?  For many middle aged people it is the uncertainty of being able to retire after paying in to SS for a lifetime.  For the younger it is the uncertainty if it will even be there still when they want to retire.  What about the uncertainty of housing prices for those that are underwater?  The working people are swamped with uncertainty, so why does the taxes of the rich guy matter and the rest don’t?
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1115 on: October 04, 2012, 11:44:26 AM »

Funny . . . . just a few post ago you were concerned with Gov. Romney being rude.
Two points...you righties certainly have skewed definitions of words..and number 2....I've never represented myself as having the necessary attributes required of a political position. In other words, I'm not running so my lack of diplomatic skills is irrelevant.
I still find it hard to believe your expertise is in social work considering your lack of empathy.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1116 on: October 04, 2012, 12:00:52 PM »

"Ann Romney told a Nevada television station her biggest concern if her husband, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, becomes president was his "mental well-being." In an interview Thursday with television station KTVN, Mrs. Romney was asked what her biggest worry was should Mitt Romney be elected to serve in the White House...".

'Crazy' Mitt Romney Quotes
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« Reply #1117 on: October 04, 2012, 12:03:48 PM »

actually - not at all, what this shows is that business' respond to economic uncertainty by not reinvesting if they are not sure what will happen with the rate they will be taxed or with what will occur re guarding the coming tax changes with health care.  Like it or not - there are business that will make the decision to hold onto money instead of spending if they do not feel comfortable they will get a return on investment.  There are also business that are holding conversations re guarding health care reform and what will be the best "decision" for them - to continue offering and paying some portion of insurance for employees or to drop the program and pay the "fine" levied by the government and allow employees to move into a government policy group. 

I won't defend trickle down as it seems the narrative of it is so greatly misunderstood.  However - consider this.  If you are married and only one of the spouses work you have one pool of money.  If at somepoint the other spouse goes to work you now have two pools of money to pull from meaning - those funds could be used for more purchasing which will "trickle" more money into the greater economy - the family benefits and those they purchase goods and services from benefit - n .  Not the best of analogies but . . . you get the idea.
Profits are up because companies are getting more from their workers and paying less for it.

Less pay, less benefits, more productivity, more profits.

The money doesn't trickle down, it stays at the top.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1118 on: October 04, 2012, 12:04:09 PM »

Romney's Still Hiding His Secret Tax Plan, Would Turn Medicare Into Voucher

O'MALLEY: Romney's Still Hiding His Secret Tax Plan, Would Turn Medicare Into Voucher


Obama: Romney Will Turn Medicare Into a Voucher - Presidential Debate

Obama: Romney Will Turn Medicare Into a Voucher - Presidential Debate
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1119 on: October 04, 2012, 12:18:14 PM »

Part of me hopes that Romney wins.   That way when the middle class is fully destroyed in 4 years I can say "told you so." I'm not going to lie I would absolutely love to do that.  Granted I wont be doing it on the Internet since I will be out of a job and on the streets hooking so I can get a meal, but I will have a sign I carry with me on the street corner.
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1120 on: October 04, 2012, 12:20:24 PM »

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Re: Mitt Romney
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1122 on: October 04, 2012, 12:22:30 PM »

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Part of me hopes that Romney wins.   

'Nuff said. 



It's interesting how the nastiness and name calling has amplified since last night's debate. 

I wonder what that indicates . . . . . . . . .



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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1123 on: October 04, 2012, 12:30:27 PM »

F,

I really was interested in your blast that the debate was fixed.. Do you no longer suppor that or just don't want to talk about it?
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Re: Mitt Romney
« Reply #1124 on: October 04, 2012, 12:33:21 PM »

Two points...you righties certainly have skewed definitions of words..and number 2....I've never represented myself as having the necessary attributes required of a political position. In other words, I'm not running so my lack of diplomatic skills is irrelevant.
I still find it hard to believe your expertise is in social work considering your lack of empathy.

I'll play along. 

Two points (from my prospective).  1. Please refrain from classifying me in any manner of pejoratives that you enjoy using.  Not only are you wrong but by doing this you limit the reach of your audience and therefore diminish the message you clearly wish others to hear in an effort, I assume, to help them understand things from your prospective. 

2.  Please try not to connect two unrelated items - my empathy and silly picture that you posted which, considering shows are faces of men superimposed on the bodies of pregnant women along with a picture of a past President thanking everyone for "blaming it on the black guy", would be considered a rude and inappropriate gesture to many, I am sorry this isn't clear.  You have an inane desire to try and draw others in by offering an insight that you are neither qualified to offer nor do you have enough information (via a bb) to do so.  However, I will note your opinion and considering your admitted inability to have the requisite skills to hold a diplomatic conversation of give and take, I will give the opinion the attention it deserves.  Regarding your ability to be diplomatic it is always a choice.  Should you chose not to use discretion that is of course, OK.  However, it is striking that you would hold someone running for office to a higher standard than which you would hold yourself. 

but - that's just my opinion. 
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