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Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« on: September 09, 2012, 01:15:05 AM »

Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. According to Bill Nye, aka "the science guy," if grownups want to "deny evolution and live in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them."

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Denial of evolution is unique to the United States. I mean, we're the world's most advanced technological—I mean, you could say Japan—but generally, the United States is where most of the innovations still happens. People still move to the United States. And that's largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science. When you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in that, it holds everybody back, really.

Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. It's like, it's very much analogous to trying to do geology without believing in tectonic plates. You're just not going to get the right answer. Your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place.

As my old professor, Carl Sagan, said, "When you're in love you want to tell the world." So, once in a while I get people that really—or that claim—they don't believe in evolution. And my response generally is "Well, why not? Really, why not?" Your world just becomes fantastically complicated when you don't believe in evolution. I mean, here are these ancient dinosaur bones or fossils, here is radioactivity, here are distant stars that are just like our star but they're at a different point in their lifecycle. The idea of deep time, of this billions of years, explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent.

And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can—we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.

It's just really hard a thing, it's really a hard thing. You know, in another couple of centuries that world view, I'm sure, will be, it just won't exist. There's no evidence for it.
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Re: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2012, 01:16:49 AM »

Bill Nye Vs Creationism

"Scientist and children's television personality Bill Nye, in a newly released online video, panned biblical creationism and implored American parents who reject the scientific theory of evolution not to teach their beliefs to their youngsters. "I say to the grownups, 'If you want to deny evolution and live in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we've observed in the universe that's fine. But don't make your kids do it,'" said Nye, best known as host of the educational TV series "Bill Nye the Science Guy." The video, titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children," was posted on Thursday by the online knowledge forum Big Think to YouTube and had netted more than 1.3 million views as of Monday...".

Bill Nye Vs Creationism
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Re: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2012, 01:42:47 PM »

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Re: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2012, 11:09:28 PM »

of course: I can't resist ...

A "Science guy" against science?
Written September 1, 2012

This rebuttal is my response to an article written on Bill Nye, the Science Guy. I have responded paragraph by paragraph to Mr. Hallowell’s article on Mr. Nye.

Billy Hallowell, “Scientist Bill Nye Hammers Creationists: Evolution-Deniers ‘Hold Everybody Back,‘ Harm Children’s Education & Hold Views That Will Eventually Be Extinct,” The Blaze, August 27, 2012.

Bill Nye was once beloved for being America s brightest and most energetic “science guy.” However, the former children s show host (“Bill Nye the Science Guy” aired from 1993 until 1998) is entering more contentious ground of late, as he recently jumped into the political realm to intensely support President Barack Obama s re-election campaign.

The adjectives used by some to describe Bill Nye include bright and energetic. History records lots of people who were “bright” and “energetic” but were WRONG. Hmmm? Let’s see: Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Voltaire, Osama bin Laden to name a FEW who were zealous for the wrong cause. Let’s remember that “bright and energetic” does NOT = right!

But, politics isn’t his only area of interest these days. Last week, the famed scientist lashed out against champions of creationism. In a new video for Big Think, an online educational forum, Nye claims that evolution deniers are damaging children and harming scientific progress.

“Evolution deniers?” Do ya see any prejudice in THAT statement? Before we can decide if we “deny” evolution, we need to understand the terms. Bill needs to define the word evolution first in order for folks to know if they want to “deny” it or not! I have been through this important define-the-terms step in all 100 debates I did with evolutionists at various universities as well as thousands of Q&A sessions. I encourage students and teachers everywhere to carefully define the word evolution BEFORE they enter into a discussion on evolution, so everyone knows what they are discussing. It is futile to proceed until the terms are defined. The problem (intentional?) is that the word “evolution” actually has six meanings or levels or stages:

1.Cosmic evolution: the origin of time/space/matter from nothing in the supposed “Big Bang”
2.Chemical evolution: all the elements “evolved” from hydrogen
3.Stellar evolution: stars formed from dust clouds
4.Organic evolution: life formed from non-living matter
5.Macro-evolution: plants and animals produce offspring different than their ‘kind’
6.Micro-evolution: variations develop within the kind such as big dogs and little dogs; bacteria becoming resistant to drugs; etc.


Only ONE of these definitions for evolution is true SCIENCE—Number 6. The first five are part of a RELIGION that adherents must “believe” in since they have NEVER been observed or demonstrated. Bill is guilty of mixing these definitions indiscriminately. He (along with many science books) sees and shows lots of evidence for definition #6 with which I agree, but then ASSUMES that this is evidence for the first five. That is NOT good science, Bill! The variations we all observe and that every farmer on planet earth understands and uses does NOT offer ANY evidence for the first five definitions of evolution.

Of course, Bill is welcome to BELIEVE the first five definitions, but he should be honest and stop trying to deceive people into thinking they are also part of science. Only #6, micro-evolution can be observed and demonstrated, the criteria for provable science. Creationists do NOT “deny” that there is evidence for evolution definition #6, but we DO deny there is any “scientific” evidence for the first five. Bill should plainly and honestly admit his use of the word evolution is religious. He is free to promulgate his religious views on his own dime, but he should not be allowed to use tax payer money to teach his mixed definitions of evolution as science in tax funded programs. Bill is the one who is “damaging children” and “harming the scientific process” when he confuses the terms and evidence!

The video, which was posted last Thursday, has already been viewed more than one million times. Entitled, “Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children,” the clip holds little back when it comes to the scientist’s views on evolutionary denial. In the video, Nye takes particular issue with the fact that America is the only nation in which creationism is so widely embraced.

Millions of copies of our Creation Seminar Series are circling the globe in over 30 languages (see: www.creationtoday.org) so Bill needs to get busy! Bill is the one in denial. The evidence for a Designer is OVERWHELMING at ALL levels through the microscope or telescope. The verse in 2 Peter 3:15 describes it perfectly—”willingly ignorant…”! Does Bill need to light a candle to see the sun?

“Denial of evolution is unique to the United States,” he said. “People still move to the United States. And that’s largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science.”

Beer is often sold at football games. Beer has NOTHING to do with football and beer does NOT ever produce better athletes by frequent association with football. It is true that the evolution religion is unfortunately often mixed with science books, but it will never become science by virtue of frequent association with real science. Evolution needs to be taught in a RELIGION class at school or maybe an “ancient mythology” class, but NOT in a SCIENCE class.

His qualms with individuals who don t embrace the notion that human beings evolved goes well beyond mere theological and scientific disagreement. Nye believes that those who tout creationism are actually doing damage to scientific progression.

All through history there have been FALSE notions that hindered or damaged scientific advancement. For instance, the geocentric theory made it very hard to advance astronomy. Today, evolution is one of the greatest hindrances to the advancement of science. See the video “Expelled” with Ben Stein for many examples.

“When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in that, it holds everybody back, really,” he said, going on to say that it’s difficult to make sense of life and to attain the proper answers if one denies the scientific theory. “Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science — in all of biology.”

This is a crazy statement for an otherwise intelligent man to make! It was the belief in creation and design in nature that was the driving force behind the founding and advancement of EVERY branch of science over the last 400 years. It is the religion of evolution that is the obstacle today. DESIGN is the fundamental idea in all of science—NOT evolution! The evolution theory has done nothing in the advancement of science. Revelation 12:9 says Satan “deceiveth the whole world.” You have been deceived, Bill. Open your eyes before it is t-o-o-o-o-o late!

Bill’s statement, “Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science and all of biology” is not only unprovable and wrong, it is standard dogma for his followers. I have often said that even if evolution, as in the first five definitions, were true, it has NOTHING to do with any real practical science. In addition to being harmful to the advancement of science, evolution is a USELESS theory!

Nye went on to plead with parents — even those who “deny evolution” and live in a “world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe” — to properly educate their children.

I agree! Parents need to “properly educate their children.” This would include teaching them the truth about evolution in order to prepare them to face the zealots who peddle their evolution religion under the guise of science. Part Four of The Creation Seminar entitled, “Lies in the Textbooks,” and my books: Help! I’m Being Taught Evolution in my Earth Science Class!, and, Help! I’m Being Taught Evolution in my Biology Class! would be a great start for curriculum!

“We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can — we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems,” he added.

“We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers in the future.” Hmmm? Are these Bill’s code words to say that anyone who does NOT fall for his religion should NOT be allowed to vote, should not be allowed to earn a living, or maybe even, not allowed to live on planet earth? What engineer uses any of the ideas of the evolution religion in his work, Bill?

“In another couple centuries that worldview, I’m sure just won’t exist,” Nye concluded. “There’s no evidence for it.”

Future? I think it was Voltaire who said something similar. He said that in the future, no one would believe the Bible. Sometime after that Voltaire’s house was used to store Bibles to ship to missionaries! Nietzsche said, “God is dead!” Hmmm? I think God would say, “Nietzsche is dead!”

As noted, Nye has been speaking out fervently for President Obama’s re-election campaign and, as Inquisitr has noted, he’s been stumping for him.

Isn’t it revealing that a guy who believes he came from a rock and that there are therefore no moral absolutes would be for Obama? What morals does a rock, or more recently, a monkey, have? Hmmm? Makes ya think about this election! Truly the god of this world, Satan, has blinded the minds of many. Second Corinthians 4:4 says, “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

Proverbs 28:2 also gives us a timely warning: “For the transgression of the land, many are the princes thereof.” We have LOTS of politicians and government bureaucrats telling us how to run our lives in every detail because we are a wicked nation! God is giving us what we DESERVE not what we WANT. America has SERIOUS problems that will NOT be fixed by this (or any) election. I think 2 Chronicles 7:14 is the ONLY fix for this problem! Read that verse carefully! God is waiting for HIS people to do right.

Remember Stalin said, “He who votes is not important. He who counts the votes is important!”

When I am released, my offer still stands. I will debate any ten evolutionists, including Bill Nye, at any time on three simple conditions:

1.The Creationist side gets half the time.
2.We talk about one topic at a time.
3.Either side can video the debate and distribute it, unedited, except for adding in visuals or PowerPoint slides.


I would love to see Bill’s (or anyone else’s) best evidences for any of the first five definitions of evolution. Looks to me like anyone with one eye and half a brain can see that “God created the Heaven and the earth.”

BTW, world events s-u-u-u-r-e make ya think we are getting close to the end just as the Bible predicted. Meanwhile — WIN SOULS!

See ya at the finish line!

Kent Hovind

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Re: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2012, 11:18:28 PM »

...and my personal response to the notion “We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can — we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems,”

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Re: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 07:18:51 AM »

Anyone else want to point out the fallacies in Hovinds rant?

For the record, I would gladly debate him about evolution, but we would have to strictly define it to EVOLUTION and nothing to do with the cosmos.  Despite what he says those are two completely different things. 

Maybe I'll tweet Ricky Gervais, a staunch atheist and very funny man, and see if he'll debate Hovind on the existance of God.  I would love to see that video recording.

Tell me Less, if Hovind is so open to discussion then why aren't comments which are pro evolution allowed on his blog post? It seems to me that he would want his followers to hear both sides of the story so they could decide for themselves...
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Re: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 09:47:13 AM »

Creationism is a religious belief and should not be taught in public schools.

However, when evolution is taught, it should be taught in the sense that it is still a puzzle that we are slowly adding pieces too.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 10:09:52 AM »

Creationism is a religious belief and should not be taught in public schools.

However, when evolution is taught, it should be taught in the sense that it is still a puzzle that we are slowly adding pieces too.

Not to mention the fact you have to decide exactly which creation story you're going to teach. 
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Re: Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 10:20:33 AM »

Creationism is a religious belief and should not be taught in public schools.

However, when evolution is taught, it should be taught in the sense that it is still a puzzle that we are slowly adding pieces too.

It's a puzzle only in the sense that it's mechanics are little known, but it's function and purpose are quite obvious...Creationism, is just a Christian term used to explain and accept evolution as a working process...They are one in the same in my opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 03:05:24 PM »

Sorry Jabba Wins!

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