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US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« on: September 12, 2012, 10:05:26 AM »

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TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were killed in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi by protesters angry over a film that ridiculed Islam's Prophet Muhammad.

Ambassador Chris Stevens, 52, died as he and a group of embassy employees went to the consulate to try to evacuate staff as the building came under attack by a mob firing machine-guns and rocket-propelled grenades. He was the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979.

President Barack Obama ordered increased security to protect American diplomatic personnel around world. "I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi," Obama said, adding the four Americans "exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe."


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120912/DA1891AG2.html


All this violence over a film people...Seriously... ???
How ignorant is that, you can't claim to be of a peaceful religion and then go off your nut with machine guns... :o
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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2012, 10:57:35 AM »

Before the rally, the private Al Nas television channel, run by Salafists, played some of the video posted on YouTube, which a host and a commentator said insulted Islam. The video shown on the channel refers to Muhammad and his followers as "child lovers." It also shows the prophet speaking to a supposed Muslim donkey, asking him whether he loves women.

The channel's enraged host and a commentator then demanded to know how Islam could be treated in such a debasing way.

The video has been promoted online by Florida preacher Terry Jones, whose 2011 burning of a Koran triggered riots in Afghanistan. In a statement, Jones called the assault on the embassy in Egypt proof that Muslims "have no tolerance for anything outside of Muhammad."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/09/us-ambassador-killed-libya.html

I'm surprised they haven't assassinated that "preacher" Terry Jones moron yet.

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Re: US ambassador killed in consulate attack in Libya
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 11:05:31 AM »

Mohammad was a pedophile...His favorite wife was 6 years old...Go ahead, look it up...!

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 12:09:01 PM »

Mohammad was a pedophile...His favorite wife was 6 years old...Go ahead, look it up...!

Watch it - don't say anything bad about Mohammad or the peaceful Muslims might kill some more Americans.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 12:22:11 PM »

Watch it - don't say anything bad about Mohammad or the peaceful Muslims might kill some more Americans.

"Peaceful Muslims"...  what an oxymoron.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 12:30:16 PM »

"Peaceful Muslims"...  what an oxymoron.

Watch it - don't say anything bad about Mohammad or the peaceful Muslims might kill some more Americans.

I know a lot of peacful Muslims.  I also know of a lot of violent christians.  There are whackos in every religion not just the one you don't believe in.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 12:45:35 PM »

I know a lot of peacful Muslims.  I also know of a lot of violent christians.  There are whackos in every religion not just the one you don't believe in.

I will buy your statement.

However lets put it in perspective with a little quiz.

1.  What was the religion of the individuals who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993?
2.  What was the religion of the individuals who carried out the 9/11 attacks on the United States?
3.  What was the religion of the individuals who attacked the USS Cole?
4.  What was the religion of the Fort Hood shooter?
5.  What is the religion of Iran and Saudi Arabia?
6.  How many other religions are free to openly worship their God in Iran and Saudi Arabia?
7.  What happens to people who try to preach Christianity in Iran?
8.  How is the religion of Ahmajenidad (President of Iran) who openly vows to destroy a neighboring country?

Why do we keep pretending that the people who did all these things belong to a peaceful Religion?

Please fell free to come up with a list of acts that Christians have done to post up here to show how radical and violent we are.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 12:54:52 PM »

Hmmm abortion clinic bombings.  The Crusades.  That should cover it 10 fold.

As for the rest of your statements, have you actually done any research on Islam or are you just going by what you hear?  Having known some Muslims, and doing independant research, I can tell you that it is a peaceful religion and the extremeists are taking certain passages out of context just like Christians do regarding the discrimination and beating of homosexuals.

If you have any questions about Islam I would gladly explain it to you with the knowledge I have.
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 01:05:45 PM »

Hmmm abortion clinic bombings.  The Crusades.  That should cover it 10 fold.

As for the rest of your statements, have you actually done any research on Islam or are you just going by what you hear?  Having known some Muslims, and doing independant research, I can tell you that it is a peaceful religion and the extremeists are taking certain passages out of context just like Christians do regarding the discrimination and beating of homosexuals.

If you have any questions about Islam I would gladly explain it to you with the knowledge I have.

Yes, I have in fact read and studied about Islam.

Let me offer you an opportunity.

I will pay ALL your expenses for a nice trip to Iran.  I hear it is a beautiful country according to several friends I have that used to live there - but had to leave during the 1970's because they were Christian and wanted to continue being alive.

All I ask you to do is go to the main square in town and hand out 1000 Bibles that I will pay for.  That shouldn't take more then an hour or two, and you can spend the rest of the trip doing whatever you want to.

If you are willing I would GLADLY fund this trip so you can explore how peaceful a fundamentalist Muslim regime can be.

Now - if you don't like planes I will make the same offer for you to go up to Dearborn during their next Arab Festival to do the same thing.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2012, 01:33:29 PM »



If you are willing I would GLADLY fund this trip so you can explore how peaceful a fundamentalist Muslim regime can be.


You just defeated your own argument right there.  ANY religious fundamentalist is a dangerous person.

If you would like though, I will gladly take you up on your offer for a trip to Iran.  Actually I would prefer the Gaza Strip, but I'll take what I can get.  Maybe I can help out the people in Iran who are protesting their fundamentalist leaders and love America.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2012, 01:35:39 PM »

Yes, I have in fact read and studied about Islam.

Let me offer you an opportunity.

I will pay ALL your expenses for a nice trip to Iran.  I hear it is a beautiful country according to several friends I have that used to live there - but had to leave during the 1970's because they were Christian and wanted to continue being alive.

All I ask you to do is go to the main square in town and hand out 1000 Bibles that I will pay for.  That shouldn't take more then an hour or two, and you can spend the rest of the trip doing whatever you want to.

If you are willing I would GLADLY fund this trip so you can explore how peaceful a fundamentalist Muslim regime can be.

Now - if you don't like planes I will make the same offer for you to go up to Dearborn during their next Arab Festival to do the same thing.

What the middle east has is no different than how the west was 100 years ago. Religous intolerance and using religion as a tool to control the people is nothing new to anyone.

Islam itself isn't the problem, it's the governments and organizations(Al Qaeda) that twist and use religion to achieve their own goals. That can happen anywhere when you have the perfect enviroment.
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2012, 01:43:41 PM »

What the middle east has is no different than how the west was 100 years ago. Religous intolerance and using religion as a tool to control the people is nothing new to anyone.

Islam itself isn't the problem, it's the governments and organizations(Al Qaeda) that twist and use religion to achieve their own goals. That can happen anywhere when you have the perfect enviroment.

Excellent post!
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2012, 01:53:20 PM »

You just defeated your own argument right there.  ANY religious fundamentalist is a dangerous person.

If you would like though, I will gladly take you up on your offer for a trip to Iran.  Actually I would prefer the Gaza Strip, but I'll take what I can get.  Maybe I can help out the people in Iran who are protesting their fundamentalist leaders and love America.

I will respectfully withdraw my offer, I really don't want to see you strung up.

I agree that ANYTHING taken to extremes is a bad thing.

I am not willing to pretend, however, that it is just a small minority of Muslims that are extreme fundamentalists.  The Koran goes into detail on how to behave from the infancy stage, to as the religion grows, to when they are the majority, to excluding tolerance for all other forms of religion.

To deny that is ludicrous - because you can go around the world and see various countries that are in the various stages, and how the Muslims behave and treat those around them.

Using a movie made in the US as a pretense to attack embassies and killing an ambassador and his staff is just an example of the latter stages of the peaceful Muslim religion.  I say pretense because yesterday was CELEBRATE 9/11 day - though I didn't see much coverage of that in the media.  The movie was just an excuse for the attack - to pretend that they were somehow provoked, and their actions were somehow justified.

We live in a culture / society that pushes tolerance.  We shouldn't make the mistake of assigning our motives and values to others that don't share our belief system. 

I will not apologize for not believing that the Muslim religion is a threat to our way of life.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2012, 02:07:35 PM »

I will respectfully withdraw my offer, I really don't want to see you strung up.

I agree that ANYTHING taken to extremes is a bad thing.

I am not willing to pretend, however, that it is just a small minority of Muslims that are extreme fundamentalists.  The Koran goes into detail on how to behave from the infancy stage, to as the religion grows, to when they are the majority, to excluding tolerance for all other forms of religion.

To deny that is ludicrous - because you can go around the world and see various countries that are in the various stages, and how the Muslims behave and treat those around them.

Using a movie made in the US as a pretense to attack embassies and killing an ambassador and his staff is just an example of the latter stages of the peaceful Muslim religion.  I say pretense because yesterday was CELEBRATE 9/11 day - though I didn't see much coverage of that in the media.  The movie was just an excuse for the attack - to pretend that they were somehow provoked, and their actions were somehow justified.

We live in a culture / society that pushes tolerance.  We shouldn't make the mistake of assigning our motives and values to others that don't share our belief system. 

I will not apologize for not believing that the Muslim religion is a threat to our way of life.

I'm dead serious.  I would love a trip to the Middle East.  My brother was in Bahrain and said the food was amazing.

So Sharia Law is not ok but Levitican Law is?

If you look at American Muslims they take a very moderate point of view of their religion and understand that the Jihad of conversion is not a major Jihad.  The first Jihad is in ones self to be more like Muhammad.  It's the same believe that a lot of Christians have.  They believe that acting as Jesus would is more important than converting people to Christianity.
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2012, 02:16:56 PM »

How was the embassy not defended?? Marines vs Mob??

I'd sure like to know the details..
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