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Re: Mormonism Does NOT Follow the Jesus of the Bible
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2012, 03:28:39 PM »

Here is what I see in the article that relates to your statement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/romney-ohio-taxes_n_1915949.html?1348669820

To date, Romney has said that he will only eliminate deductions and exemptions above a certain income level. He hasn't said what that income level would be. But when asked whether he would make $100,000 the cutoff, he said that he considered "middle income" to be "$200,000 to $250,000 and less." (One of the few Romney-backing studies has said that the only way his tax plan adds up is if he eliminates deductions and exemptions above that $100,000 income level).

Romney's overall tax plan, which calls for a 20 tax cut across the board for all income brackets, and which Romney insists will remain deficit neutral.


Romney's proposal appears to be reduce all tax brackets by 20% and eliminate deductions/exemptions above 100K (lowest number presented in article).  Could you explain how you feel this proposal would target blue collar workers' income tax deductions?


Right here.

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We have got to reform our tax system," Romney said at a morning event here. "Small businesses most typically pay taxes at the individual tax rate. And so our individual income taxes are the ones I want to reform. Make them simpler. I want to bring the rates down. By the way, don't be expecting a huge cut in taxes because I'm also going to lower deductions and exemptions. But by bringing rates down we will be able to let small businesses keep more of their money so they can hire more people."


So he's going to be bringing rates down, but he's not and he's going to lower deductions and exemptions, but he is going to be lowering rates?  Sounds like a lot of doublespeak to me, and I can't trust him.
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Re: Mormonism Does NOT Follow the Jesus of the Bible
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2012, 04:41:05 PM »

Let’s focus on what Romney stated and ignore your stated distrust of him for this discussion.

Here’s essentially what Romney stated:

   Folks with an income less than 200K would receive a 20 percent tax reduction with no change to deductions or exemptions. (winners)

   Folks with an income greater than 200K would receive a 20 percent tax reduction, but lose deductions or exemptions. (losers)

Unless you believe that the blue collar workers are in the greater than 200K income bracket, your statement was misleading.


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Re: Mormonism Does NOT Follow the Jesus of the Bible
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2012, 04:45:42 PM »

OK, sooo, what would be the religion of a potential POTUS that everybody would be comfortable with?

Baptist, Pentecost, Methodist.....we know it's not Muslim or Mormon based on this thread.

I really didn't think it made much of a difference.
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2012, 04:54:06 PM »

Well then . . . . . you haven't been reading and paying attention!  Because apparently it clearly and absolutely defines the man. 


Now, if you're going to contribute . . . . . . don't try that slick "common sense" stuff Fuzz!  You're throwing it all off! 

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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2012, 05:00:43 PM »

I'd prefer a Pentecost President.....fire and brimstone dudes.

I just think this whole deal is irrelevant with religious affiliations.
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2012, 05:24:28 PM »

Ex I did focus on what he said.  It was in the bold and pure doublespeak.
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2012, 06:02:42 PM »

Ex I did focus on what he said.  It was in the bold and pure doublespeak.

So you believe that this Romney statement:

By the way, don't be expecting a huge cut in taxes because I'm also going to lower deductions and exemptions.

Equates to your statement:

Today he spoke about taking away deductions for mortgage interest from blue collar workers.


How did you derive that the target group was blue collar workers from Romney's statement?
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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2012, 06:16:05 PM »

The very first paragraph of the article states that Romney was in an Ohio town with mostly middle class onlookers.
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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2012, 06:54:50 PM »

Are we supposed to be wearing tags now?  Damn it, I missed the memo.   ;D

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2012, 09:06:29 PM »

The very first paragraph of the article states that Romney was in an Ohio town with mostly middle class onlookers.

Do you believe that the President State of the Union Address is directed to the legislative branch since it is given to mostly congressman onlookers?
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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2012, 11:03:06 AM »

That's a lot different than campaigning.  If you're in a small middle class town you're speaking directly to them to try and get their vote.
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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2012, 02:54:41 PM »

That's a lot different than campaigning.  If you're in a small middle class town you're speaking directly to them to try and get their vote.

A political rally is not directed toward the folks in attendance.  It is a staged production with tickets distributed by the sponsoring political party.   The folks in attendance are largely party supporters and not undecided voters.  The message is meant for a larger audience.

You appear eager to assign Romney any negative attributes that appear to you, real or imaginary. 
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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2012, 02:59:38 PM »

A political rally is not directed toward the folks in attendance.  It is a staged production with tickets distributed by the sponsoring political party.   The folks in attendance are largely party supporters and not undecided voters.  The message is meant for a larger audience.

You appear eager to assign Romney any negative attributes that appear to you, real or imaginary.


Hmmm...Every political rally I have attended was directed at the crowd.  I understand that there are mostly supporters there, but with the context of the sentence, coupled with his vague economic plan, it is very clear to anyone that he stated he would be willing to take tax breaks away from the middle class in order to balance the budget.

Yes, I try to assign as many negative attributes to Romney as possible because I don't want the guy in office.  Fortunately for me I don't have to stretch very far because the guy does a great job chewing shoe leather.  Oh and for the record none of my claims are imaginary.  I would have never thought that had it not been pointed out to me by an undecided voter who retweeted the article.
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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2012, 10:23:30 AM »


Hmmm...Every political rally I have attended was directed at the crowd.  I understand that there are mostly supporters there, but with the context of the sentence, coupled with his vague economic plan, it is very clear to anyone that he stated he would be willing to take tax breaks away from the middle class in order to balance the budget.

Yes, I try to assign as many negative attributes to Romney as possible because I don't want the guy in office.  Fortunately for me I don't have to stretch very far because the guy does a great job chewing shoe leather.  Oh and for the record none of my claims are imaginary.  I would have never thought that had it not been pointed out to me by an undecided voter who retweeted the article.


Let's use your premise the Romney's comments were directed at the residents of Westerville, Ohio.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2009/snapshots/PL3983342.html

Median family income (per year)   $105,577
Completed at least some college    72.2%

More than half the town has a family income greater 100K and have attended college. The median house value for Westerville is 30K greater than Farmington, Michigan.

How did you assign blue collar to this community? 
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Re: Mormonism Does NOT Follow the Jesus of the Bible
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2012, 10:54:55 AM »

Are we supposed to be wearing tags now?  Damn it, I missed the memo.   ;D

My religious tag says "pedestrian".   ;D
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