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Yes

3 (21.4%)

No

11 (78.6%)

Total Members Voted: 14

Voting closed: November 02, 2012, 03:31:01 AM

[Frenchfry]

Advocates: Michigan Needs Safe Home Care

[blue2]

If someone wants to establish a "The Keep Home Care Safe organization" that sounds like something perfectly suited for the free market enterprise.  If home care providers want to join so be it.  But don't tell me as someone who might be interested in home care that I have to hire someone from that organization.
And I certainly don't see a need to amend the Michigan State Constitution for this silly proposal.

[lilly]

Let's assume:

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Why are medical specific needs relevant to the union agreement?  I thought collective agreements were between employer and employees.

Because if you are being paid by the state you need to be trained to handle some of the specific problems you may have to deal with. Training that would be provided to union employees. You might think you are ready to deal with that, and you might be, but you could be wrong.

[Frenchfry]

If someone wants to establish a "The Keep Home Care Safe organization" that sounds like something perfectly suited for the free market enterprise.  If home care providers want to join so be it.  But don't tell me as someone who might be interested in home care that I have to hire someone from that organization.
And I certainly don't see a need to amend the Michigan State Constitution for this silly proposal.

The proposal doesn't  take away your choice...it simply offers a prescreened and background checked source rather than the take your chances system that's currently in place today. But if you're comfortable doing your own hiring, and would rather not know whether your choice has a history of elder abuse or occasionally emulates an angel of death...then have at it. 

[excelsior]

Because if you are being paid by the state you need to be trained to handle some of the specific problems you may have to deal with. Training that would be provided to union employees. You might think you are ready to deal with that, and you might be, but you could be wrong.

The state is employer and hence they would be required to make sure that their employees have the required training with or without a collective agreement.

[lilly]

The state is employer and hence they would be required to make sure that their employees have the required training with or without a collective agreement.

Your original question was

I am caring for Grandma under the agreement.   How does the union agreement help me?

By providing the training you need to take care og her properly

[excelsior]

Your original question wasBy providing the training you need to take care og her properly

How?   The employer is required to make sure their employees are properly trained, regardless of any collective agreement. 

[ShorTea]

Does anyone know if using this site to search if a caregiver is certified by the state as a CNA, means they are properly trained? I am curious to know what other training the proposal might mean for a caregiver, it's still vague.

https://appserv01.prometric.com/Accelerator/FlowMgr.srv?cmd=validateLogin&sourceFunction=9000&sourceScreen=0&sourceSequence=10&userName=mifoia&password=password

[lilly]

The employer is required to make sure their employees are properly trained, regardless of any collective agreement.

How?   

[excelsior]

How?

If a company hires a driver then they make the individual has a driver license with the proper endorsements.   A company hiring a health care worker requires that the individual has the proper certifications and passes a background check.

Please post the language in the collective bargaining agreement that improves members training.

[Frenchfry]

If a company hires a driver then they make the individual has a driver license with the proper endorsements.   A company hiring a health care worker requires that the individual has the proper certifications and passes a background check.

Actually, there are no requirements in place at the moment.

Proposal 4 would amend the Michigan Constitution to create security for Michigan home care workers, and thus preserve the right of Michigan citizens to remain in their homes rather than in a nursing home or other institution  if they so choose.

    Require MQHCC to provide training for in-home care workers, create a registry of workers who pass background checks, and provide financial services to patients to manage the cost of in-home care.

    Preserve patients’ rights to hire in-home care workers who are not referred from the MQHCC registry who are bargaining unit members.

http://www.politicalruminations.com/2012/09/information-for-voters-on-michigan-ballot-proposals-1-6.html

[lilly]

If a company hires a driver then they make the individual has a driver license with the proper endorsements.   A company hiring a health care worker requires that the individual has the proper certifications and passes a background check.

Please post the language in the collective bargaining agreement that improves members training.

Fry beat me to the first part, but left out how do individuals that hire other individuals, not through a company, know if the person they are hiring is truly certified. And do they also have to have background checks done on each applicant? How expensive would that be?

[blue2]

I think State and Federal governments have proven they can't be counted on to improve anything at a reasonable cost.

[excelsior]

Actually, there are no requirements in place at the moment.

Where did you get that information?

http://www.michigan.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-35299_28142_27655_27662-138762--,00.html

Nursing homes, county medical care facilities, hospitals with swing bed services, Medicare-certified home health agencies, intermediate care facilities for mentally retarded, and psychiatric facilities and inpatient programs shall comply with Section 333.20173a of the Public Health Code (P.A. 368 of 1978) and Section 330.1134a of the Mental Health Code (P.A. 258 of 1974). These laws state that criminal background checks, including fingerprint checks, be conducted for staff hired after April 1, 2006. Individuals who have regular direct access to patients and/or their medical records or provide direct services to patients, including independent contractors and those with clinical privileges, are to be included.

[eriemermaid]

I know my kids took classes in Toledo, because it was the closest place to take classes, then they had to go to Lansing to take the test.  I would guess they have to go to training classes about every 4 months.  My son in law has been in the business for 15 years and my daughter for over 8 years.