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Re: VP Debate
« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2012, 12:08:51 AM »

Yikes!  Somebody doesn't want to let a single kind thing be said about Ann Romney to the point of now impuning her character with "People Reading Skills"?      I wonder what that's all about.     :-\

 


Btw:  As for Joe's teeth . . . . why yes . . . . he DOES remind me of Julia Roberts.  Good call on that one. Must be those magic "skills" in action to have pulled that one out of a hat.   ;D










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Re: VP Debate
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Re: VP Debate
« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2012, 05:08:34 PM »

This is about the way I saw the debate for the short while I watched it.  Maybe a tad dramatic, but what I saw was along the line SNL had on last night. (Clip on this link)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/snl-vp-debate-video-145419790--election.html

"Saturday Night Live" devoted its cold-open to the vice presidential debate, skewering Joe Biden's exasperated reactions to Paul Ryan, Ryan and Mitt Romney's vague economic plan, tough moderator Martha Raddatz and the relative insignificance of the debate itself.

"Just a reminder, your performance tonight is extremely unlikely to affect the outcome of the election," Raddatz, played by newcomer Kate McKinnon, said at the top of Saturday's opening sketch.

Biden, played by Jason Sudeikis, was portrayed as a bully. When McKinnon asked the candidates to explain what "malarkey" meant, Ryan, played by Taran Killam, said, "It's Irish."

"No, no, no," Sudeikis' Biden said. "Irish is I come over there and smack that dumb look off your face."

"Hey, do I sound like Jim Lehrer? Do I look like I'm Jim Lehrer?" McKinnon, who played Ann Romney earlier this season, asked. "Then don't try to f--- me like I'm Jim Lehrer. Are we clear?"

Whose hometown has been hit harder by the economic downturn was also a subject of the mock debate.

"I know what I'd say to my friend and the people of Janesville [Wis.]," Sudeikis' Biden said. "Things may be bad where you live but I guarantee you it is a paradise next to the burning coal heap that is Scranton, Pennsylvania."

"If you went to the lowest circle of hell, you'd still be 45 minutes outside of Scranton," he joked.

Later, when asked to provide specifics on his economic plan, Ryan replied: "No. But let me say it again with hand gestures."

The VP debate also provided plenty of fodder on "Weekend Update."

"Congressman Ryan prepared for Thursday's debate by studying policy and holding practice debates," Seth Meyers said. "I think Biden prepared by shot-gunning Red Bull and watching Yosemite Sam cartoons."

"During Thursday's debate Vice President Biden repeatedly criticized Paul Ryan's statements calling them a 'bunch of stuff," Meyers continued. "In fairness, 'a bunch of stuff' is the entire text of the Romney/Ryan economic plan."

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Re: VP Debate
« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2012, 05:48:48 PM »

I watched that this morning and laughed my hiney off!  ;D ;D ;D

I couldn't find the clip but apparently Seth said something about how Joe trained for the debate, by 'shotgunning Red Bull and watching Yosemite Sam cartoons.'  ;D

Guess I didn't read Fuzz's post all the way! lol It's been a busy day.......  8*
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Re: VP Debate
« Reply #94 on: October 14, 2012, 05:51:30 PM »

Oh Man!  I'm so mad we missed the intro skit!  I waited all week and MISSED IT!

We were skyping and I looked at the clock and it was 11:50.  aarrrrgggghhhhh!


Oh well.  This clip is funny:

SNL spoofs Biden-Ryan debate
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Re: VP Debate
« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2012, 05:55:43 PM »

"There's gym strong, then there's old man strong."  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: VP Debate
« Reply #96 on: October 14, 2012, 06:19:00 PM »

Gender quotes......:

"It is only rarely that one can see in a little boy the promise of a man, but one can almost always see in a little girl the threat of a woman."  ~Alexandre Dumas, fils

Profound!   8)
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Re: VP Debate
« Reply #97 on: October 14, 2012, 07:33:48 PM »

Wow only 8 copy/paste videos and 1 article...  This page of the forum only (so far)  8*

Nothing original again...
I guess it's hard to think for yourself
 when you've been indoctrinated to follow the party line no matter what...
The point was YOU didn't have one (an opinion),
researching other peoples opinions isn't really being a news hound - it's more of a job for someone who can't think for themself  8*

I watched the debate and didn't think there was a clear winner/loser as there was in the Presidents, but then again the VP's are only espousing the policy lines of the Candidates.   
The differences were pretty well discussed, and the polls will start to reflect this in the near future as they already have been.
There were more interruptions and what appeared to be playing to the camera in this debate.
I also noted they were allowed to keep paper at hand to write down points.
So now you're speaking for others?
I opined in reply #14...but anyone with even a modicum of reading comprehension skills would've known that from post #78 where I quoted myself...you know, the one you quoted.

The timing of your personal attack certainly is interesting.

Stealing the limelight from your namesake I see.
(Details removed)

The old look at me thing may be your way of compensating for not having the courage to serve in the military. (and yet you're still warmongering...classic neocon)  8*

It's funny that you attacked me with that same old talking point about using other peoples opinions....and judging by what you said...you'd be better off following suit.
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« Reply #98 on: October 14, 2012, 07:35:55 PM »

Veep Debate Post-Mortem: What the Pundits Missed

A few lingering thoughts about the vice presidential debate...

Although I am a veteran debate observer, I often have difficulty discerning a clear victor when I watch these programs. Not this time. Joe Biden's performance may have been over-exuberant, even borderline obnoxious, but in two key ways Biden won this debate hands-down.

First, from the opening moments Biden achieved what every television debater strives to achieve: he grabbed the starring role for himself and reduced the other guy to second banana. On Thursday night the vice president of the United States didn't just conquer the screen, he laid waste to it.

Second, Biden approached the debate with a clear strategy, a strategy that he succeeded in pulling off. By raising the issues that Barack Obama failed to raise in the first debate, Biden laid out a substantive case for the Democrats. Like a bad-*** prosecuting attorney, he challenged his opponent on point after point, keeping Paul Ryan -- and, by extension, Mitt Romney -- on defense for pretty much the entire debate. Furthermore, and of no small importance, Biden reset the table for the upcoming town hall between the top-of-the-ticket principals.

So why were the pundits so reluctant to call Joe Biden the winner of this debate? To many in Washington's political/media elite, Biden's aggressive/dismissive attitude toward Ryan seemed undignified and therefore out of bounds. The personal nature of Biden's criticism offended the pearl clutchers of our nation's capital, who fetishize bipartisanship and cluck at behavior they deem excessively sharp-elbowed.

If you believe Dick Cheney, Biden gave "the most emotionally unstable debate performance in modern American politics." Well, Cheney is half-right: right about the emotional, wrong about the unstable. Because Biden knew exactly what he was doing on that stage. Was he over the top? Absolutely. But his operatic delivery was calibrated to achieve a particular response -- and for the most part Biden drew the response he had been seeking.

It bears mention that this is more or less the same maneuver that Romney pulled off in his opening match with Obama, albeit through vastly different means. Romney dominated by seizing control of the agenda and the mechanics of his debate, capitalizing on the president's unanticipated passivity. Biden dominated by sucking up so much oxygen that his opponent was left gasping for air -- or, more accurately, water.

It appears that Beltway pundits felt they needed to grade Ryan on the curve, given his short history on the national stage. That's fine. Ryan and Biden did not step into the arena as equals, so it is appropriate to consider that disparity when passing judgment. But I suspect there's another reason the Washington press did not want to be too anti-Ryan: Declaring him a loser would have interfered with their preferred narrative of Paul Ryan as rising star.

In many ways Ryan's performance was admirable -- he isn't Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin -- and no doubt he'll have plenty of future opportunities to refine his art. For the moment, however, Ryan remains more of a supporting player than a leading man. He lost the visual debate with Biden not just because Biden hogged the lens, but also because of innate challenges the younger man faces as a television performer. For starters, Ryan has the wide-eyed, youthful face of an anime character. The debate's relentless two-shots showed Ryan looking like a puppy whose master was scolding him for leaving a mess on the floor. And Ryan suffers from a high-pitched, nasal voice that undermines his efforts to sound authoritative. A good vocal coach would be a smart investment.

Furthermore, it did not help Ryan that on the day of the debate Time magazine released from its vault a series of photos showing the congressman working out at the gym. As the visual appetizer served just before the debate entrée, these images did Ryan no favors. The pictures reinforced Ryan's immaturity -- exactly the wrong message that he needed to convey at that moment.

Ryan lost the debate at least in part by looking and sounding as if he were running for student council. My reaction as I watched was that it felt like a father and son arguing at the dinner table -- which may have been the effect Biden intended. Remember Ronald Reagan's comeback quip to Walter Mondale in the second 1984 debate: "I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience..."? Biden took just the opposite approach.

Beyond the visual realm, Ryan showed evidence of being a poor listener, which is a major debate no-no. We saw this at the end of the program, when moderator Martha Raddatz cited a conversation she had had with an American soldier dismayed by the negativity of the presidential campaign. What would you say to him? Raddatz asked the candidates. And are you ever embarrassed by the tone?

Biden answered first, not very memorably. When Ryan's turn came, after the obligatory "thank you for your service" and "we won't impose military cuts," the candidate proceeded to his main point: "And then I would say, you have a president who ran for president four years ago promising hope and change, who has now turned his campaign into attack, blame and defame." For another 400 words, Ryan's anti-Obama peroration continued. The sheer cluelessness of this was stunning. Had Ryan even heard the soldier's question?

But enough about Paul Ryan -- in the final analysis, this was Joe Biden's debate. Throughout his 90 minutes upon the stage the vice president reminded America that he is a larger than life character, a throwback to a time when, for better or for worse, picturesque politicians loomed over our electoral landscape.

Yet Biden's triumph was only partly about personality. It also had to do with strategy. This was the second veep debate in a row in which Biden has successfully executed his mission, delivering a pair of performances as different as night and day. This ability to modulate himself to suit the occasion is an achievement that got lost in the post-debate analysis, overshadowed by all the belly laughs and pearly whites and overlapping dialogue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-schroeder/veep-debate-post-mortem-w_b_1965106.html
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« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2012, 08:23:33 PM »

I wasn't going to be the first to say something, but I'll sure second it!

NOT cool. 
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« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2012, 08:30:30 PM »

So now you're speaking for others?
I actually know how to speak my own opinion

...EDIT...

It's funny that you attacked me with that same old talking point about using other peoples opinions....and judging by what you said...you'd be better off following suit.

You never will understand the entire point (and that's sad),
people in forums prefer personal opinions and dialogue, with some supporting facts/documents...
not the flooding of a site by your propaganda
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« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2012, 08:49:57 PM »

The bottom line...you have issues.
Wow. Really?

Wow.
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