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Re: Snyder's popularity plummets
« Reply #285 on: September 23, 2013, 07:35:12 AM »

18 Consulting firms seem about right to me.

Figure they are looking at each function and department.

Each one of those studies would be a different firm. 

Lots of departments in a city the size of Detroit.
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Re: Snyder's popularity plummets
« Reply #286 on: September 23, 2013, 10:19:31 PM »

Gee the real question is -  Is the State of the State better off now than it was under the Granholm administration?
Snyder won't have to run against Granholm...he'll lose his seat to Mark Schauer.
But just for giggles:

The main issue facing the governor was the massive budget deficit. Granholm had to eliminate upwards of $200 per person from state budget expenditures, successfully resolving over $14 billion in budget deficits. She emphasized Michigan's need to attract young people and businesses via the Cool Cities Initiative.
During Granholm’s first year in office, she made a significant number of budget cuts to deal with a $1.7 billion deficit (about 2% of the annual state budget). She was upset by proposals to cut state funding to social welfare programs, such as homeless shelters and mental health agencies. During an interview, she reflected on her view of the proper perspective of budget cuts:

    "Often those who cloak themselves in a cape of religiosity happen to be some who are the biggest cutters. Now, some of that can balance out. But when you get to cutting the services for the least of these – in the 25th chapter of Matthew in the 37th verse the Lord says, 'Whatsoever you do to the least of these, so also you do unto me' – that's when I question whether somebody is really living out the faith that they profess".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Granholm

The answer is a resounding YES, and that is due to the effective leadership from the Governor, instead of just blowing us away with speeches about things that never happened.
Well it just so happens that an ad was released last week that claims the current recovery started under former Gov. Jennifer Granholm...and mlive says it's true.
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2013/09/rick_haglund_ad_criticizing_sl.html

It's not a populatity contest as the title of the thread seems to be worried about... It's about getting jobs back that left under the "D"'s control of the State.
Well don't take the title literally, it's just that all the negatives wouldn't fit in that tiny space.
As for your assertion...that fallacy has now been corrected.


And on the Bing EM complaints - you can't put much credence in a City that put itself in that much DEBT...
There are many reasons...and this is among them:
How Detroit went broke: The answers may surprise you - and don't blame Coleman Young
Lansing politicians reduced Detroit’s state-shared revenue by 48% from 1998 to 2012, withholding $172 million from the city, according to state records.
http://www.freep.com/interactive/article/20130915/NEWS01/130801004/Detroit-Bankruptcy-history-1950-debt-pension-revenue
Heck, this guy blames Bush:
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2013/4030detr_cd_saved_2005.html

Of course reorginization will take time and $$
and in the meanwhile take power away from the so called city leaders who followed the path of others to let it get that bad in the first place.
Agreed...Dave Bing failed...but it's Orr that's blowing those millions...money that the city could use.
Here's another POV:

http://socialistworker.org/2013/07/25/the-strangling-of-detroit

Consultants won't be there forever but the structure and changes they leave behind will make the City more effective and efficient, and hopefully less likely to fall back into the corruption and mismanagement they've had for years and years...
Well I sure hope your Crystal Ball is accurate...but there's something fishy about this:

Gov. Snyder's NERD Fund paying for Kevyn Orr's condo
http://www.freep.com/article/20130923/NEWS06/309230120/Kevyn-Orr-Gov-Rick-Snyder-NERD-Fund
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« Reply #287 on: September 23, 2013, 10:21:26 PM »

Gov. Rick Snyder says he plans to push ahead with plans to privatize food service for the state's 45,000 prison inmates under a proposed $145 million, 3-year contract.

Snyder tells the Detroit Free Press that he'll consider objections from Republican state Sen. Tom Casperson of Escanaba and unionized prison employees and others but won't let them block the process.
http://michiganradio.org/term/rick-snyder
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« Reply #288 on: September 23, 2013, 10:24:44 PM »

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« Reply #289 on: September 23, 2013, 10:25:50 PM »

Poll says Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder vulnerable in a Republican primary

A new survey of Michigan Republicans indicates the majority approve of the job that first-term Gov. Rick Snyder has done.

But the same survey indicates the GOP believes Snyder is vulnerable to a challenge in next year's Republican primary as he prepares to seek a second term.

http://www.pressandguide.com/articles/2013/09/04/news/doc52275856c8881079254840.txt
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« Reply #290 on: September 25, 2013, 03:28:38 PM »

I've been getting E-mails from Snyder's camp. 

This is an expert from his latest:

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When I first ran for Governor in 2010, I gave ten priorities for reinventing Michigan. Including growing more and better jobs, reforming Michigan’s tax system, fixing broken government, and creating an environment that will keep our youth – our future – in Michigan.

Simply put, we said it, and we did it. We accomplished a great deal in just a few short years.

$1.5 billion deficit gone
Michigan’s economy best in 10 years
Best employment numbers in 4 years

In record time Michigan is back on a solid foundation. But there is much more work to do. Coming soon:

A return to vocational training
Lower cost college degrees
Michigan companies helping Michigan companies create Michigan jobs.

I have to agree he accomplished what he said he would, and I like the coming soon items.

What a nice change from Granholm he has been.
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« Reply #291 on: September 25, 2013, 09:42:55 PM »

I've been getting E-mails from Snyder's camp. 

This is an expert from his latest:

I have to agree he accomplished what he said he would, and I like the coming soon items.

What a nice change from Granholm he has been.


It will be interesting to see the tact the "D"'s try to use...

Hey vote us in - so we can go back to doing nothing  ;D
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« Reply #292 on: September 27, 2013, 03:36:38 AM »

Snyder in a cakewalk unless the D's can come up with a business friendly tax cutter.

I don't agree with everything, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.  He is willing to make tough decisions, and he gives a firm handshake and looks you in the eye while he does it.

The man is sincere, he cares about the Great State of Michigan and deserves to win the right to see the job through.
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Re: Snyder's popularity plummets
« Reply #293 on: September 27, 2013, 09:31:57 AM »

I've been getting E-mails from Snyder's camp. 

This is an expert from his latest:

I have to agree he accomplished what he said he would, and I like the coming soon items.

What a nice change from Granholm he has been.

I get the same emails MN...

but I'm terribly disappointed to see that he's not even addressing road repairs anymore even after all the 'promises' he made when he was campaigning the first time around.  I liked his rhetoric of how all of his recent predecessors had merely 'kicked the can down the road' and he was going to actually fix the roads...   that alone sounded good to me.  Actually I wish he'd kick that can over here on our road...  at least I could fill one very small hole with it!!!

Are you saying you're giving him a 'free pass' on his broken promises about our roads?

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« Reply #294 on: September 27, 2013, 09:35:59 AM »

I get the same emails MN...

but I'm terribly disappointed to see that he's not even addressing road repairs anymore even after all the 'promises' he made when he was campaigning the first time around.  I liked his rhetoric of how all of his recent predecessors had merely 'kicked the can down the road' and he was going to actually fix the roads...   that alone sounded good to me.  Actually I wish he'd kick that can over here on our road...  at least I could fill one very small hole with it!!!

Are you saying you're giving him a 'free pass' on his broken promises about our roads?

I don't think he has given up on road repairs by any means.

He pushed the topic farther than anyone before him, and he actually put forth some solution alternatives.

I fully expect the topic to be front and center in the next budget, and for something to get done.

They did actually increase the road funding in this years budget, and I expect him to push for more in next years budget.

However - next year is the election year - so we will see how many are willing to put forth a tax increase right before a campaign hits full swing.
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« Reply #295 on: September 27, 2013, 09:57:20 AM »

I don't think he has given up on road repairs by any means.

He pushed the topic farther than anyone before him, and he actually put forth some solution alternatives.

I fully expect the topic to be front and center in the next budget, and for something to get done.

They did actually increase the road funding in this years budget, and I expect him to push for more in next years budget.

However - next year is the election year - so we will see how many are willing to put forth a tax increase right before a campaign hits full swing.

Which is exactly why it should have been one of the so called 'tough decisions' and taken care of 2 years ago.  All I see is the roads getting worse and worse with no improvement anywhere in sight :( :( :(
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« Reply #296 on: September 27, 2013, 10:05:57 AM »

Which is exactly why it should have been one of the so called 'tough decisions' and taken care of 2 years ago.  All I see is the roads getting worse and worse with no improvement anywhere in sight :( :( :(

You are blaming the wrong guy.

Snyder identified the problem.  Snyder identified possible funding sources.  Snyder pushed for a resolution in the legislature.

You need to blame Randy, Bill, and Dale.

They are the ones that are afraid to address the issue because they they they won't get reelected if the actually address a real issue.

I don't want Snyder to get like Obama - threatening people, making executive orders, and generally ignoring the rule of law.  That is not leadership.
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« Reply #297 on: September 27, 2013, 10:13:29 AM »

You are blaming the wrong guy.

Snyder identified the problem.  Snyder identified possible funding sources.  Snyder pushed for a resolution in the legislature.

You need to blame Randy, Bill, and Dale.

They are the ones that are afraid to address the issue because they they they won't get reelected if the actually address a real issue.

I don't want Snyder to get like Obama - threatening people, making executive orders, and generally ignoring the rule of law.  That is not leadership.

I'm not blaming "the wrong guy"...  this thread is about Snyder's popularity so I'm merely trying to stay on track.  You know for a fact I've blamed our local legislators several times over the last couple of years since it became apparent they were all going to be 'can kickers' too.

But Snyder is the Governor (the buck stops there) plus he 'promised' solutions...  'no more can kicking'...   but that's all we've gotten so far.  More promises...   how about some asphalt on the roads...   when I see that then I'll believe we've turned the corner on this 'issue'.

I'm sure I've said it a few times here on MT...

if we could just pave our roads with 'politician's promises' we'd have the best roads in the country...

so far all their promised have done is make my garden grow 'really good' 8* 8* 8*
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« Reply #298 on: September 27, 2013, 10:24:54 AM »

I agree - you have blamed the legislator in the past.

Snyder has shown that he is a patient, focused leader.

I don't think the roads are going away because he got rebuffed once.

Politics is a marathon - not a sprint.
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« Reply #299 on: September 27, 2013, 11:25:29 AM »

I agree - you have blamed the legislator in the past.

Snyder has shown that he is a patient, focused leader.


I don't think the roads are going away because he got rebuffed once.

Politics is a marathon - not a sprint.

The world is full of patient and focused leaders...  sometimes patience is a curse too!

It's the leaders that get actual results that get ahead...

the rest are just 'can kickers' on my bumpy road :( :( :(
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