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Brian Beneteau

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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #615 on: January 27, 2013, 12:44:27 AM »

You don't have to go to Oklahoma.  Every year in Kentucky is a machine gun (Class 3) shoot.  Maybe not next year but last year worked....
Absolutely! Knob Creek Gun Range in Louisville! Been there, but not for the machine gun shoot. Guess they put all sorts of thing out to shoot up! Funny, never any assaults with all of those assault weapons, lol!
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« Reply #616 on: January 27, 2013, 04:04:46 AM »

Here's a little chicka boom boom for you ShorTea....

and it's even from CKLW 8) 8) 8)


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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #617 on: January 27, 2013, 09:10:31 AM »

Absolutely! Knob Creek Gun Range in Louisville! Been there, but not for the machine gun shoot. Guess they put all sorts of thing out to shoot up! Funny, never any assaults with all of those assault weapons, lol!

You have to love a gun club that understands that it is more fun to shoot things other than paper...
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #618 on: January 27, 2013, 12:34:51 PM »

FYI, this just came into my inbox from the NRA-ILA.  Ms. Feinstein floored her bill on Friday...

They just keep pushing, IMO, it's looking like a push back is in order....

"Feinstein Introduces Massive Semi-Auto Firearm and Magazine Ban

On Jan. 24, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduced S. 150, her long-anticipated bill to ban "assault weapons" and "large" magazines.  Contrary to media claims that Feinstein wants to "reinstate" the 1994 ban, the bill will go much further toward her stated long-term goal of gun confiscation, imposing a host of absurdly broad definitions and onerous restrictions:


 •Ban the sale, transfer, manufacture or importation of 157 named firearms. Presumably, these were chosen by looking at pictures, as Sen. Feinstein has said she did before introducing her first legislation on the issue in 1993.


 •Ban all semi-automatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine.  This is because the bill would ban any semi-automatic detachable-magazine rifle that has even one "feature," particularly a pistol grip—which is defined to include any "characteristic that can function as a grip." Other features that would cause a rifle to be banned include a forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or (as an absurd propaganda move) rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or a threaded barrel.


•Ban all detachable-magazine semi-auto pistols that have any of the following: a threaded barrel, second pistol grip, or magazine that mounts anywhere other than the grip. The bill would also ban any handgun that is a semi-automatic version of a fully automatic handgun.


 •Ban all semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have fixed magazines that accept more then 10 rounds.


 •Ban all semi-automatic shotguns that have just one of the following: a folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; a pistol grip; a fixed magazine that can accept more than five rounds, a detachable magazine; a forward grip; a revolving cylinder; or a grenade or rocket launcher. As with the rifle provision, this could potentially ban any semi-auto shotgun, because all of them have "characteristics that can function as a grip." And of course, countless Americans have pistol-grip shotguns for home defense.


 •Ban all belt-fed semi-automatic firearms, such as semi-auto replicas of historic machine guns.


 •Ban all frames or receivers of banned guns, even though in many cases they are identical to the frames and receivers of guns that would not be banned.


 •Ban "combinations of parts" from which "assault weapons" can be assembled. Read broadly, this could ban the acquisition of a single spare part that could be combined with parts you already own.


 •Ban any "part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle"--a vague definition that could ban items such as competition trigger parts.


 •Ban the sale or transfer of all ammunition feeding devices that hold more than ten rounds. Even those lawfully possessed before passage of the bill could never be transferred, even to your heirs through a will.


 
Though not requiring registration of currently owned firearms under the National Firearms Act (as Feinstein threatened in December), the new bill would go far beyond the failed 1994 semi-auto ban by requiring background checks on the private transfer of any "grandfathered" firearm.

Finally, unlike the 1994 ban, the new bill will not include an automatic "sunset" clause, so it would remain in effect unless repealed.

In announcing the bill, Feinstein misrepresented the effectiveness of past semi-auto bans. For example, she claimed that Maryland's "assault pistol" ban had reduced crime. But in Maryland, the murder trend after the state passed its ban on so-called "assault pistols" was far worse than in the rest of the country.  Similarly, in California, during the first five years after passage of the state's 1989 "assault weapon" ban, the state's murder rate increased 26 percent, compared to an 11 percent increase in the rest of the country. During the first five years after California expanded the ban starting in 2000, the state's murder rate increased 10 percent, compared to a six percent decrease in the rest of country.

Feinstein also misrepresented the findings of a congressionally mandated study completed by Jeffrey Roth and Christopher Koper for the Urban Institute.

In the handouts provided by her office, Feinstein claimed the report said "Assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims." But here's what the report really found:

"Some of our own analyses added evidence that assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple victims, multiple wounds per victim, and police officers as victims" (emphasis added), but "We were unable to detect any reduction to date in two types of gun murders that are thought to be closely associated with assault weapons, those with multiple victims in a single incident and those producing multiple bullet wounds per victim. We did find a reduction in killings of police officers since mid-1995. However, the available data are partial and preliminary, and the trends may have been influenced by law enforcement agency policies regarding bullet-proof vests."

The misuse and misinterpretation of study findings has become a common tactic of anti-gun politicians because they know that the 1994 ban had no real impact on crime. In one of the frequent moments of candor that make his allies cringe, Vice-President Biden admitted as much in an online forum Jan. 24, saying, "t is true that the vast majority of gun deaths in America are not a consequence of the use of an assault weapon" and that a ban "is not an answer to all the problems." Nonetheless, Biden claimed the ban is a "rational limitation" because in his opinion, people concerned about self-defense should just use double-barreled shotguns anyway.

Despite advice like this, Americans have voted with their pocketbooks, buying about 50 million semi-automatic firearms--including nearly 4 million AR-15 rifles--since 1991. And, since the Supreme Court said in District of Columbia v. Heller that a handgun ban was unconstitutional in part because "handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home," popular rifles should be just as firmly protected.

To find contact information for your elected officials, use the "Write Your Reps" feature at www.NRAILA.org.  You can reach your member of Congress by phone at 202-224-3121.  Click here for tips on effective communication with your lawmakers, and don't forget to visit www.GunBanFacts.com for the truth about semi-auto bans..

No one in their right mind would accost her anyway.  She looks like 5 miles of bad road..... ;D



This goes way too far...Why don't people understand what's really happening here...!

This is nothing short of a total ban...Within those guide lines all firearms are "technologically" in the classification of the ban.

If something doesn't happen soon, we will lose are right and liberty to own any from of firearm.
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #619 on: January 27, 2013, 12:44:59 PM »




I'm not joking when I say...If this new gun ban passes, it will be the death of any sort of democracy we have left...Might as well publicly burn the continuation and bill of rights...It sure doesn't seem like they mean anything anymore. Your freedom of speech has already been muted, so don't be shocked when religion falls in the hot seat...

We're doomed to be under the yoke of a fascist state from here on out...You will no longer have a right to do anything, unless sanctioned by government decree. 
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« Reply #620 on: January 27, 2013, 01:07:38 PM »

I found the list.

It makes me laugh.

It is clearly the logic of a Liberal.

http://www.therightscoop.com/heres-the-list-of-guns-dianne-feinstein-wants-to-ban/
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« Reply #621 on: January 27, 2013, 01:11:24 PM »

I found the list.

It makes me laugh.

It is clearly the logic of a Liberal.

http://www.therightscoop.com/heres-the-list-of-guns-dianne-feinstein-wants-to-ban/



Well, she might as well just come out and say all firearms...That's what SHE wants...!
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #622 on: January 27, 2013, 01:12:36 PM »



The logic loop fallacy...
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« Reply #623 on: January 27, 2013, 01:15:20 PM »


Well, she might as well just come out and say all firearms...That's what SHE wants...!

I have an older buddy that used to always say the wrong person got shot in the Mayor's office that day out in Frisco.
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« Reply #624 on: January 27, 2013, 01:43:15 PM »


Well, she might as well just come out and say all firearms...That's what SHE wants...!

She left off some really great rifles that would not doubt be of military nature.

However....  her other stipulations would knock them out.

I wonder where the M14/M21 falls on the list.  No pistol grip.  Flash Suppressor that threads on.  Detachable magazine...  I assume they have a bayonet lug?

No FAL on the list?
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« Reply #625 on: January 27, 2013, 01:57:44 PM »

She left off some really great rifles that would not doubt be of military nature.

However....  her other stipulations would knock them out.

I wonder where the M14/M21 falls on the list.  No pistol grip.  Flash Suppressor that threads on.  Detachable magazine...  I assume they have a bayonet lug?

No FAL on the list?


I would love to have an M-14...Never shot one before.   I have fired an M1 Garand though, about the most accurate rifle I've had the pleasure of shooting with iron sights.  Every one should own one... ;)
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« Reply #626 on: January 27, 2013, 02:06:56 PM »


I would love to have an M-14...Never shot one before.   I have fired an M1 Garand though, about the most accurate rifle I've had the pleasure of shooting with iron sights.  Every one should own one... ;)

I have one of each.  Both are magnificent, but for me the M1A1 / M14 for some reason greater then the detachable magazine is my favorite...

I would think the 30-06 would be the better round - but that .308 just does the job for reasons that don't make sense to me.

I highly encourage you to find one since it doesn't appear to be on the list.
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« Reply #627 on: January 27, 2013, 03:08:23 PM »

Another banner day in the Gun Control Mecca that is Chicago.

But - how can this happen?  No one can have guns!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-boy-16-and-man-32-gunned-down-on-west-side-street-20130126,0,3833533.story

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Four shootings -- two of them double homicides -- and a stabbing left 7 people dead Saturday, authorities said.
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« Reply #628 on: January 27, 2013, 03:15:05 PM »

An interview with our great leader.

Nice how he blames others.  Always the sign of a strong leader.

I like how some Republicans are in safe gerrymandered districts so they have to listen to no one....  except of course the people in their district!  And I am sure there are no Democratic Gerrymandered districts - right?

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Franklin Foer: Let's talk about that in terms of guns. How do you speak to gun owners in a way that doesn't make them feel as if you're impinging upon their liberty?

Well, in our comments today, I was very explicit about believing that the Second Amendment was important, that we respect the rights of responsible gun owners. In formulating our plans, Joe Biden met with a wide range of constituencies, including sportsmen and hunters.
So much of the challenge that we have in our politics right now is that people feel as if the game here in Washington is completely detached from their day-to-day realities. And that's not an unjustifiable view. So everything we do combines both a legislative strategy with a broad-based communications and outreach strategy to get people engaged and involved, so that it's not Washington over here and the rest of America over there.

That does not mean that you don't have some real big differences. The House Republican majority is made up mostly of members who are in sharply gerrymandered districts that are very safely Republican and may not feel compelled to pay attention to broad-based public opinion, because what they're really concerned about is the opinions of their specific Republican constituencies.

There are going to be a whole bunch of initiatives where I can get more than fifty percent support of the country, but I can't get enough votes out of the House of Representatives to actually get something passed.
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« Reply #629 on: January 27, 2013, 08:14:53 PM »



The logic loop fallacy...


You are aware, I assume, that that was shown to be a complete falsehood, right?
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