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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #795 on: February 01, 2013, 10:11:45 AM »

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The Newtown Board of Education wants more armed police officers in the towns four elementary schools after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary last month.

Last night, they decided to ask the town to approve the request to include one additional full-time Newtown police at each of the elementary schools in next year's budget.

Today, members of the board will be meeting with state and federal officials about obtaining additional funding for security.

“Our parents are demanding of us that things are made safe and secure and certain measures are put in place,” Chairwoman Debbie Leidlein said. “So we’re being very thoughtful.”


http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Newtown-Votes-for-Armed-School-Officers-189320221.html?dr

Wow.   Seems like everyone is thinking armed people in schools is the solution.  I guess it is so crazy it worked in Georgia. 

Is someone going to apologize to the NRA for saying their proposal was stupid?
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #796 on: February 01, 2013, 10:17:04 AM »

Being outnumbered by women has been a lifelong fantasy of mine.......wish it had happened earlier in life.


Not when it's being a load of Misandry...:P
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #797 on: February 01, 2013, 10:49:12 AM »

Just gonna ignore the CDC, UN, and PWC?

Obviously biased entities irrelevant to any discussion are quite easily dismissed and fully ignorable.
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #798 on: February 01, 2013, 10:58:21 AM »

Hmmm, some of these pro-gun "truths" and mantras have been fact checked. From MotherJones:


Myth #2: Guns don't kill people—people kill people.
Fact-check: People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. The states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114% higher [6] than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Also, gun death rates tend to be higher in states with higher rates of gun ownership. Gun death rates are generally lower in states [7] with restrictions such as assault-weapons bans or safe-storage requirements.


Sources: Pediatrics [8], Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [9]


FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division numbers state the following:

Total murders by firearm (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20)

Montana - 7
Wyoming  - 11
Massachusetts - 122
District of Columbia -77

The 2010 US Census data show the following population for these states/district:

Montana - 989,415
Wyoming  - 563,626
Massachusetts - 6,547,629
District of Columbia - 601,723

These US government numbers would result in the following gun murders per 100,000:

Montana - 0.71
Wyoming  - 1.95
Massachusetts - 1.86
District of Columbia - 12.8

Where is the correlation between high rate of gun murders and high rate of gun ownership?

Here is a study of United States Homicide Rate vs Gun Ownership by State:



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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #799 on: February 01, 2013, 11:05:15 AM »

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Newtown-Votes-for-Armed-School-Officers-189320221.html?dr

Wow.   Seems like everyone is thinking armed people in schools is the solution.  I guess it is so crazy it worked in Georgia. 

Is someone going to apologize to the NRA for saying their proposal was stupid?


Of course not.  BTW, a rural school district in NW Ohio approved arming it's janitors (that have CCW's) to carry in the school.  Not a bad idea.
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #800 on: February 01, 2013, 11:13:41 AM »

FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division numbers state the following:

Total murders by firearm (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20)

Montana - 7
Wyoming  - 11
Massachusetts - 122
District of Columbia -77

The 2010 US Census data show the following population for these states/district:

Montana - 989,415
Wyoming  - 563,626
Massachusetts - 6,547,629
District of Columbia - 601,723

These US government numbers would result in the following gun murders per 100,000:

Montana - 0.71
Wyoming  - 1.95
Massachusetts - 1.86
District of Columbia - 12.8

Where is the correlation between high rate of gun murders and high rate of gun ownership?

Here is a study of United States Homicide Rate vs Gun Ownership by State:




You've shown solid facts, that express what I've been saying for the last month...

As for Monique's sources...
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Sources: Pediatrics [8], Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [9]


Huh...?  I'm not quite getting where and what you're trying to prove with irrelevant sources...Which by the way are wrong!
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #801 on: February 01, 2013, 11:14:48 AM »

Once again in the hands of a gifted statistician you can "make" the numbers say anything you want.

Who to believe?
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #802 on: February 01, 2013, 11:18:39 AM »

Whats needed is 'less government' and more citizen responsibility, gee, I said that paqes ago.

That won't happen because so many are on entitlement and need the daily arse wiping.......

At least the gun fiasco involves the entitlement crowds too.  How do you protect yourself from perps in the inner city that want your entitlement free cheese for themselves?  Why a firearm of course....duh.

Whats going to transpire in the end is some more asinine gun control legislation that won't be enforced because it takes more staffing and the government can't afford more bodies, they are already strung out because poiticians never go backward (take pay cuts and less perks).  They have to advance financially....always.

Probably levied taxes on all aspects of gun ownership, that tax will go to the government coffers to help with distribution of 'free cheese'.  The free cheese has to be paid for because nothing is free here, even though the entitlement crowd 'thinks' it's free, if they can think and thats debatable.  Why think when you can receive without thinking......

We'll continue plodding along with a President who wants to be a dictator, ineffective and dysfunctional politicians and the usual ho-hum.  However, this time (with my help and thousands of others), this 'bump' will be remembered at election time.

My take is don't make promises and then do what you darn well want to (after you get elected).  I want some meaningful action and no promises that turn into lies.

Sometimes I think all politicians are related to Pinochhio.
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #803 on: February 01, 2013, 11:44:25 AM »

How do you protect yourself from perps in the inner city that want your entitlement free cheese for themselves?  Why a firearm of course....duh.

Homeland Security recommends Scissors!

LOL!
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #804 on: February 01, 2013, 01:54:28 PM »

You've shown solid facts, that express what I've been saying for the last month...

As for Monique's sources...
Huh...?  I'm not quite getting where and what you're trying to prove with irrelevant sources...Which by the way are wrong!

I think that you can spot an advocate for gun control when they cite total gun deaths.   These gun death numbers include justified self defense, justified deadly force by police, accidental shootings, suicides and etc.   These folks have an agenda and they attempt to blur the numbers between homicides and deaths.
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #805 on: February 01, 2013, 03:42:20 PM »

I still don't understand why someone would support an agenda to disarm a populace.

Do they support genocide, and want to remove the barriers from having it happen here?



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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #806 on: February 01, 2013, 04:48:48 PM »

Maybe someone already reported this episode.
ATLANTA (AP) — A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said..
Piers Morgan reported the armed officer at the school was unable to stop him.  What a clown.
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« Reply #807 on: February 01, 2013, 04:51:44 PM »

Maybe someone already reported this episode.
ATLANTA (AP) — A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said..
Piers Morgan reported the armed officer at the school was unable to stop him.  What a clown.

Of course he didn't stop him.  One student was shot. 

Piers can present that as the armed officer was ineffective.

Tell the story to give the story the twist you want it to have.
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #808 on: February 01, 2013, 07:20:32 PM »

This has really turned out to be a very informative thread......putting aside the trash talk.   :)

I enjoy it for the most part...... Reading the differing facts from varying sources, and watching the opposition discredit each others data and data interpretation.  Interesting to see how statistics can be tailored and presented to what it is they want them to say.   Oh yes, the power of Stats.
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Re: Do we need more gun control?
« Reply #809 on: February 01, 2013, 07:50:08 PM »

Probably why Statistics was the hardest class for many - but the necessary evil for all...
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