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Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« on: January 18, 2013, 11:15:57 AM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualized_Education_Program

It appears a Jefferson principle has cancelled several IEP appointments set. If I'm not mistaken this is a violation of the handicapped students rights. It was also stated that the same principle has made various threats regarding to an employees of her school regarding this incident.

Fortunately the student has left that school.

Should this be reported to State Authorities for futher disposition?
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 11:27:39 AM »

I had to force the MPS into this for one of my children a long time ago......it is a state law, and I suspect he will he held in violation.

Will be interesting to watch......he surely knows the law, so I'm guessing he may have seen something suspect in the status that forces IEP's.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 11:51:40 AM »

Is this another one of those hearsay "Richardville is having an affair!" threads?

Here's a link you can actually use, toobad:

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/principal-versus-principle.aspx
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 12:02:36 PM »

I hadn't heard that one T, I always figured he was doinking a beautician.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2013, 01:47:26 PM »

Here's Michigan's requirements and the forms.
It would fall to the ISD for some form of complaint as they oversee special education in the county.

http://www.michigan.gov/mde/0,1607,7-140-6530_6598-236252--,00.html
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2013, 03:07:19 PM »

Is this another one of those hearsay "Richardville is having an affair!" threads?

Here's a link you can actually use, toobad:

http://grammar.quickand dirtytips.com/.asp



T-M-T are you the sites grammar police, sorry for the incorrect useage of the term (really I'm not). The post is factual and most importantly documented so I"m asking you T-M-T, should I elevate this matter? Should this principles (ha, ha) actions be investigated?

Thank you Professor H.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2013, 03:15:14 PM »

An IEP is not state, it is a part of IDEA (individuals with disabilities education act) that is federal.  I don’t exactly recall the specifics but seems that the school has a very limited time to respond to the call for an IEP.  That doesn’t mean one happens immediately, just that they must have a good reason to delay.

A usual IEP MUST have assessments.  That means sometimes special tests or psychological evaluations.  It might require speech evaluations, and even physical evaluations.  It also, if a first one, requires the gathering of outside medical information which can take time.  Also, when the actual IEP meeting happens it requires everyone relevant to be at the meeting and that can be all teachers, the principal, Speech specialists, physical therapists, social workers and psychologists, and virtually anyone else that is needed for the IEP.

An official IEP is no tiny thing.  It isn’t some small unimportant meeting for any involved, including the parents.  As an example.  When little guy did his first one it was stressed very strongly that signing the IEP was a lifetime permanent decision.  Even though he was tested medically and found autistic, the IEP would label him permanently.  It would be something there for his entire life.  Now, little guy isn’t marginal, but if he was then the question of what if he gets better and overcomes his limitations.  Doesn’t matter.  If you sign an IEP it is permanent.

That is just to show how very important and out of the ordinary legally they are.  There is no way a principal is going to change a lawsuit negligently.  If he was putting them off then he has valid reasons.  If the evaluations say no help is needed then THAT needs put in an IEP statement of meeting.

It is such a powerful tool for parents and any involved that a parent can call one at any time and the school MUST respond within 10 days (I think it is 10).

Now, on the more difficult side.  IEP’s are to establish what, if any, extra help or tools a child needs.  That is the place that schools stall and try to avoid.  It means money and they don’t want to spend any (for good reason).

We have many IEP like meetings with people at the school.  There have been many with his teachers, speech therapist, social worker and sometimes the director of Monroe County ISD.  To be honest I don’t recall a principal ever, but depends on the circumstances I guess.  But, even if they are all the same people, that official IEP on paper is a totally different thing.

Again.  IEP’s are federal and designed to give children with disabilities the help needed to solve an educational lag.  It can be minor to our thinking of speech therapy, or a transcriber to take notes for someone that cannot write, or hear well.  It can even be as simple as getting a kid sitting at the front of the class. But, when it comes to cost they tend to try and say it isn’t needed.  They often try the cheapest route in hopes that they work.  For instance a person hard of hearing might need an FM system.  That is a special hearing aid that the child swaps for their own and has a radio receiver and the teacher wears a mic.  Everything goes straight to the student clearly.  The school might try other things before the FM system because it is expensive.  Until that gets ironed out it doesn’t even get near an IEP. 

Anyway, the principal might blow off a meeting that IS NOT an IEP.  The principal can delay because all the information is not gathered, but it is too big a deal, even to schools, to just toss aside.

It is also annual.  It must be renewed each year.  A meeting can be called to change it at any time, but the annual one is required.  Little guy’s is in two weeks and we have two different appointments with school officials in preparation for that official meeting.  It should just be a simple renewal with no changes, but still it is a very big deal for parents, teachers and many, many other people.  Oh, that reminds me.  It might seem silly and unimportant, but one person that has to go to our IEP is his music teacher.  Just the usual once a week group sing thing.  But she is important too, and being a teacher she is also required, but for us it is a valuable input that does matter.

Anyway, from someone that has been there.  The schools do not take official IEP’s lightly.  It is clear that they see them as something far more legal and binding.  It is hard to qualify that but the feeling is more like going to a court before a judge than a parent teacher conference.

It can be called to officials attention, probably stating with the state education dept.  But, to be honest, schools do not take IEP's lightly.  To end a students help the school would likely legally need an IEP to end additional help.  One time the school psychologist was having surgery and would not be available and we had to sign official papers agreeing that he was excused from the meeting. 

With the knowledge of how serious IEP's are and are taken, I sense something not complete in the OP.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2013, 05:42:05 PM »

I hadn't heard that one T, I always figured he was doinking a beautician.


Here's one of the threads I was referring to, Fuzz:

http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=25546.0

toobad's Randy obsession has been on display a few times on this forum.

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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2013, 06:08:04 PM »

Ahhh....how in the hell did I miss commenting in that thread?  I must have been buried between a big set of.....well, never mind.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2013, 07:38:48 PM »

I would almost believe this, if the original author wasn't a known liar.

Please collegekid you can do better, I have been called much worse by the socialist / communist on this site and you should be very careful. I'm sure being a college kid and all that you know the definition of libel.

I will give you the same option that I gave T-M-T, should I pursue this matter or overlook the rights of this needy child and the family? Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2013, 07:37:38 AM »

Please collegekid you can do better, I have been called much worse by the socialist / communist on this site and you should be very careful. I'm sure being a college kid and all that you know the definition of libel.

I will give you the same option that I gave T-M-T, should I pursue this matter or overlook the rights of this needy child and the family? Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?
To answer this someone would actually have to have access to your "documented evidence"

Since we only have hearsay,  you'll have to rely on the above informational posts as to how the system works.

BTW - if you did have "documented evidence"... and you weren't actually a party to the process, you've likely violated federal law.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2013, 11:13:15 AM »

Duck . . .

Thank you for a GREAT post on what an IEP is.  I wish more folks had a good understanding.  I believe you and I are have alluded to our understanding with your "little guy" and "mine". 

Thanks again -

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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2013, 05:14:40 PM »

Here's one of the threads I was referring to, Fuzz:

http://monroetalks.com/forum/index.php?topic=25546.0

toobad's Randy obsession has been on display a few times on this forum.




T-M-T while you were sleeping,
Patriot Voice Radio - Trucker Randy Bishop responds to Senator Randy Richardville part 1.wmv

Get the rest of the details from your buddie.

Now can you please stay on topic.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2013, 05:16:13 PM »

To answer this someone would actually have to have access to your "documented evidence"

Since we only have hearsay,  you'll have to rely on the above informational posts as to how the system works.

BTW - if you did have "documented evidence"... and you weren't actually a party to the process, you've likely violated federal law.

The evidence is there, plenty of it.
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Re: Jefferson Principle cancels students IEP's
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2013, 05:49:01 PM »

Please collegekid you can do better, I have been called much worse by the socialist / communist on this site and you should be very careful. I'm sure being a college kid and all that you know the definition of libel.

I will give you the same option that I gave T-M-T, should I pursue this matter or overlook the rights of this needy child and the family? Would you be willing to step up to the plate and recommend an investigation after reviewing the documented evidence?

I would leave it up to the family of the child to stir their own pot.  It could be entirely possible they are not looking for YOUR "help".
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